Al Jefferson/Harris for Martin/Lowry

[rocketsballin]

here we go again . alright, first things first, the next person to mention josh howard going to houston in even a fraction of the slightest hypothetical scenario is gonna get their balls cut off and stitched onto their face.

secondly...ah hell, i think we all know where im going with this...

hell to the "god pickin daam f**k yoself get out mah face trick ass bitch i cut yo throat in front of ya own mamma motha f**kin" no

[blackham9258]

Wow! I would like to see some more thoughtful (mature) debate about the proposal. Houston fans are better than this.... I know many and they aren't like that guy. Lets debate, pure and simple. -KC based Jazz fan.

[Mr. E]

My proposal would be: Millsap and Harris, for Dalembert and Lowry and NY Pick, or Jefferson, Harris for Lowry, Dalembert, Thabeet, NY Pick.

What would you guys do.

Well...we would reject both trade proposals as both are quite awful. Come on - you have to know this!

First things first: Harris is a downgrade from Lowry. I think that we can all agree here. I don't want to try to match value further as this is the only straight-up comparison you have here. From this point you have to look at fit and value.

Millsap - I like the dude a lot; but he makes 7.2M next season. In your proposed deal we do not move Martin, nor Scola...so there is nothing to offset the addition of Millsap's contract. You are adding a substantial chunk of salary to Houston's lineup by adding a player at a position (PF) where we do not need additional depth. You are adding an unneeded player and simultaneously manage to kill Houston's cap space going forward.

Dalembert - Houston can either keep him next season, or not pick up his option. So it is either good cap room or a relatively cheap guy at the 5.

Al Jefferson is owed 15M next season and is not a true center. Not that it matters....in your proposed deals you just have Houston adding him on with no awareness of their actual roster or situation.

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but here's the real kick to the nuts...

In your proposed deals you want Houston's best player - Lowry - and you want to saddle Houston with unneeded cap hell and on top of that you think that Houston needs to give up a draft pick????


Really?



I don't know what else to say.

Rocketsballin- I'm gonna go get a cup of coffee and some Kolaches. You good here, bro?

[Mr. E]

Interesting to get mocked... The current value of Harris is down, but this year would mark the first year that Harris' value would be below Lowry's league wide. Second, your coach loves Al Jefferson and as a great post player himself he would find ways to make Al even more dominant than he currently is in a balanced Utah system.

If Martin is so highly valued by you guys why are his minutes going down over the last few weeks/ He is an efficient scorer to be sure, but he gives so much up defensively your coach has figured out that you are better without him on the floor. Putting him in the trade is a smart business move as you don't want his salary on the books along with Jeffersons.

Last thing: Harris' value is at an all time low because we have a rookie coach who does not know how to use Harris. Harris is good in transition and the high pick and roll.... we are trying to make him a jump shooter in Corbins offense and his problems will dissapear in Houston where you run the pick and roll better.

Jefferson>Martin by a fair margin
Harris<Lowry by a smaller margin

We can debate the need to include the pick, but it is not an unfair trade.

It's getting mocked because it is a bad trade. I get that you like it as a Jazz fan; but it is not well-thought out from the Rockets POV.

Harris to Lowry is a downgrade.

Jefferson/Martin......two kinda similar contract situations; but two very different roster situations.

Jefferson is not needed on a team with Scola, Dalembert & Patterson. If you want to bring Jefferson in then you need to find a way to move one of the Rockets out that makes sense for the Rockets.

I think that what you were going with in your trade proposal is that you wanted to upgrade the Jazz at positions of need using players you were willing to part ways with while taking zero consideration into the needs/situation of the Rockets.

And you want a pick on top of that???

[TMU]

Merging these two topics together. They're not much different.

[blackham9258]

I appreciate that you believe Lowry is your top player. Al jefferson is ours. My proposal that is listed herin (as it looks to be combined) is to allow you to not include the pick, but take Millsap or Jefferson and extra for Lowry. So if you need CJ or Bell or Howard etc add them to the deal. Jefferson would become your best big.

[Mr. E]

What you continue to fail to appreciate is that in your trade ideas you are asking Houston to add quite a bit more salary for next year when all moves they have been making appear that they would prefer to clear that space. You say that you want "Lowry or Lowry," and are hesitant to take on Martin and flat-out do not want Scola...yet your proposals send players back such as Milsap or Jefferson creating gluts at those positions in terms of both manpower on the court as well as salary associated with those positions.

CJ Miles is unneeded. If we move Martin then we have Courtney Lee for the short-term. Raja Bell is more additional salary who's best days are most likely behind him, so he is unneeded as well. Those are not attractive trade pieces.

There really is no need to continue this discussion as it has all of the makings of a circular argument. Kyle Lowry is more valuable to this team than Al Jefferson, especially when your trade proposals do not take Houston's situation/needs into account.

[zapatasblood]

Would like either player but not at the cost of Lowry. He runs the team and Dragic, as much I like him, is not a starter. He is a real good bench guy. Also if the Rockets were to trade for some more post presence it would be for someone expiring and trading away Scola or Martin. They also have D-Mo in Poland and they should really look to bring him over and need to clear some depth to allow him to play. Jamison, Humphries, Okur, or even Garnett.

[babyjax13]

Interesting to get mocked... The current value of Harris is down, but this year would mark the first year that Harris' value would be below Lowry's league wide. Second, your coach loves Al Jefferson and as a great post player himself he would find ways to make Al even more dominant than he currently is in a balanced Utah system.

If Martin is so highly valued by you guys why are his minutes going down over the last few weeks/ He is an efficient scorer to be sure, but he gives so much up defensively your coach has figured out that you are better without him on the floor. Putting him in the trade is a smart business move as you don't want his salary on the books along with Jeffersons.

Last thing: Harris' value is at an all time low because we have a rookie coach who does not know how to use Harris. Harris is good in transition and the high pick and roll.... we are trying to make him a jump shooter in Corbins offense and his problems will dissapear in Houston where you run the pick and roll better.

Jefferson>Martin by a fair margin
Harris<Lowry by a smaller margin

We can debate the need to include the pick, but it is not an unfair trade.

Harris is sh*t, don't try to make it out any other way.

[inquisitive]

Lowry isn't going anywhere! Dragic on the other hand....

[mems_1224]

man i love lowry, i would hate to see him go unless a deal included favors

[Amish Mafioso]

Jazz decline unless Houston adds value.

[texasholdem]

Jazz decline unless Houston adds value.

a Jazz fan created this trade proposal.