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DREAM BIG - BE YOURSELF * Jeremy Lin* - 8/18/2013

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Re: DREAM BIG - BE YOURSELF * Jeremy Lin* - 8/18/2013 

Post#61 » by spolgar » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:38 pm

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texasholdem wrote:do you dispute his claim that was the case? if not him, who was supposed to be the leader? Kevin Martin? Chandler Parsons?

Did you even watch the video? Lin seems incredibly humble and not complaining at all about Harden's arrival.


Incredibly humble?

Are you people blind?

-non stop social media look at me videos
-a movie about himself (hell lebron james doesnt even have a movie about him. neither does chris paul, tony parker, russell westbrook, kryie irving, or steph curry)
-he has commercials
-he does non stop interviews complaining about racism (60minutes) or about losing his "main guy" "cornerstone" label after the harden trade
-non stop asia tours where he is being filmed playing pick up ball by a camera crew

Nothing lin does is humble. He is a fake phony person pretending to be a nice humble kid. His actions tell you that but people what to be forcefully ignorant about the situation.

Anybody with a modicum honesty and intelligence can see that and right through his fake persona.


Anyone with a modicum _of_ honesty and self awareness knows that he's milking it gently so that there's plenty more to come. Unlike all the other guys you've listed, none of them were extreme underdog stories. Stephen Curry had endorsements by Lebron James come his sophomore year, and he was a mid major player because of his height. But his dad was in the NBA, his mom played college volley. The biggest underdog of your list had a 3 star recruit rater on rivals and scout.

Guess how many stars Lin had? I don't recall a time since these ratings were published that a no star recruit became an NBA starter. If you know of one, please enlighten me. Furthermore, there are a lot of people who this board who think Lin didn't get a D1 scholarship because of his race. I'm not in the majority. I think he had some fault of his own to play there. But nonetheless, as late boomers go, he cracked the sound barrier and then some.

Lin is a global icon not only because of his race, but because his race ties into a silly stereotype that makes him more of an underdog than others in the past. Further more, unlike Yao, his 6-3 stature makes him far easier to identify with in Mandarin and Cantonese speaking countries. Culturally speaking, the Chinese have always prized the crafty and the wise over someone who is physically imposing. So he has done something to deserve fame. His background makes his story more compelling, and last but not least, there are literally several billion people on this planet willing to eat it all up.

Exposure, in the right way, makes money and increases cultural longevity, both of which could be flipped for something else down the road. Bill Bradley's basketball playing career helped him get into political office. The same can be said of Kevin Johnson in Sacremento. Not to attain some control over ones public persona would literally be throwing money and status away. Money and status that can be flipped for to ones kids, even if they aren't successful sportspersons.

Using social media can be a very savvy way of getting control of spin. Before he lit it up on New York, Lin's social media presence was pretty much how Asian Americans of of 19-25 demographic got to know him. Many Asian youtube personalities invite him to do something over the summer. Those whom have worked with him during and after Linsanity worked with him before his fame. Again, he's shown savvy time and again with the people he works with, without which he would've burned up before Stephon Marbury could say 'I'm a barbie girl'.

Since becoming famous, he has accrued three endorsement deals, one with Volvo, one with Gatorade and a small one with Nike. He did several interview about his rise to success on television. The CBS 60 minutes was a 13ish minute long interview, and the racism question lasted about 2 minutes. He gracefully handled the race issue on the most part on his ABC interview during the Linsanity run. He participated in a print based story on GQ. He successfully trademarked Linsanity. He actually has two documentaries out, three if you count the one that will be released soon. There was a guy who was basically following Lin around before the Linsanity run, and he was just at the right place at the right time. Lin and co agreed to his presence without really knowing what everyone was in for. Then there is a game day Lin video on youtube about how he prepares, and there's one coming out in October. There are other snippets, but they are numerous and it's mostly Lin playing the straight man in a comic setup.

I don't think he's dishonest with what he is doing. He's talking about exactly what he wants to talk about, the bulk of which have nothing to do with making a quick buck. He came unto fame for doing something very well, in a time and place where nobody expected him to, and the media basically bestowed him this exposure as a reward. Whereby he uses it to craft a message about race, money, fame and God.

What I think is interesting is why sports fans like you care about what people do with their reward, especially when they are simply reinvesting it for a bigger aggregate payout down the road? Why hate someone for being smart with their lives?
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Re: DREAM BIG - BE YOURSELF * Jeremy Lin* - 8/18/2013 

Post#62 » by Slick Southpaw » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:55 pm

spolgar wrote:
Slick Southpaw wrote:
texasholdem wrote:do you dispute his claim that was the case? if not him, who was supposed to be the leader? Kevin Martin? Chandler Parsons?

Did you even watch the video? Lin seems incredibly humble and not complaining at all about Harden's arrival.


Incredibly humble?

Are you people blind?

-non stop social media look at me videos
-a movie about himself (hell lebron james doesnt even have a movie about him. neither does chris paul, tony parker, russell westbrook, kryie irving, or steph curry)
-he has commercials
-he does non stop interviews complaining about racism (60minutes) or about losing his "main guy" "cornerstone" label after the harden trade
-non stop asia tours where he is being filmed playing pick up ball by a camera crew

Nothing lin does is humble. He is a fake phony person pretending to be a nice humble kid. His actions tell you that but people what to be forcefully ignorant about the situation.

Anybody with a modicum honesty and intelligence can see that and right through his fake persona.


Anyone with a modicum _of_ honesty and self awareness knows that he's milking it gently so that there's plenty more to come. Unlike all the other guys you've listed, none of them were extreme underdog stories. Stephen Curry had endorsements by Lebron James come his sophomore year, and he was a mid major player because of his height. But his dad was in the NBA, his mom played college volley. The biggest underdog of your list had a 3 star recruit rater on rivals and scout.

Guess how many stars Lin had? I don't recall a time since these ratings were published that a no star recruit became an NBA starter. If you know of one, please enlighten me. Furthermore, there are a lot of people who this board who think Lin didn't get a D1 scholarship because of his race. I'm not in the majority. I think he had some fault of his own to play there. But nonetheless, as late boomers go, he cracked the sound barrier and then some.

Lin is a global icon not only because of his race, but because his race ties into a silly stereotype that makes him more of an underdog than others in the past. Further more, unlike Yao, his 6-3 stature makes him far easier to identify with in Mandarin and Cantonese speaking countries. Culturally speaking, the Chinese have always prized the crafty and the wise over someone who is physically imposing. So he has done something to deserve fame. His background makes his story more compelling, and last but not least, there are literally several billion people on this planet willing to eat it all up.

Exposure, in the right way, makes money and increases cultural longevity, both of which could be flipped for something else down the road. Bill Bradley's basketball playing career helped him get into political office. The same can be said of Kevin Johnson in Sacremento. Not to attain some control over ones public persona would literally be throwing money and status away. Money and status that can be flipped for to ones kids, even if they aren't successful sportspersons.

Using social media can be a very savvy way of getting control of spin. Before he lit it up on New York, Lin's social media presence was pretty much how Asian Americans of of 19-25 demographic got to know him. Many Asian youtube personalities invite him to do something over the summer. Those whom have worked with him during and after Linsanity worked with him before his fame. Again, he's shown savvy time and again with the people he works with, without which he would've burned up before Stephon Marbury could say 'I'm a barbie girl'.

Since becoming famous, he has accrued three endorsement deals, one with Volvo, one with Gatorade and a small one with Nike. He did several interview about his rise to success on television. The CBS 60 minutes was a 13ish minute long interview, and the racism question lasted about 2 minutes. He gracefully handled the race issue on the most part on his ABC interview during the Linsanity run. He participated in a print based story on GQ. He successfully trademarked Linsanity. He actually has two documentaries out, three if you count the one that will be released soon. There was a guy who was basically following Lin around before the Linsanity run, and he was just at the right place at the right time. Lin and co agreed to his presence without really knowing what everyone was in for. Then there is a game day Lin video on youtube about how he prepares, and there's one coming out in October. There are other snippets, but they are numerous and it's mostly Lin playing the straight man in a comic setup.

I don't think he's dishonest with what he is doing. He's talking about exactly what he wants to talk about, the bulk of which have nothing to do with making a quick buck. He came unto fame for doing something very well, in a time and place where nobody expected him to, and the media basically bestowed him this exposure as a reward. Whereby he uses it to craft a message about race, money, fame and God.

What I think is interesting is why sports fans like you care about what people do with their reward, especially when they are simply reinvesting it for a bigger aggregate payout down the road? Why hate someone for being smart with their lives?



i dont hate lin for his reward. i hate people like you who drink the kool aid and continue to perpetrate the fraud that he is some humble, down to earth person.

HE IS NOT.

All that butt hurt typing and you have yet to prove me wrong about lin not being humble.

He is not. He is a fake humble guy and a money grubbing attention seeking whore.

The worst part about Lin?

Him invoking his religion and using his fame to brainwash children and people into believing made up stories by desert people written in the bronze age. Nothing worse than profiting off people's religious sensibilities.

He's basically a charlatan.
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Re: DREAM BIG - BE YOURSELF * Jeremy Lin* - 8/18/2013 

Post#63 » by spolgar » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:49 pm

Slick Southpaw wrote:

i dont hate lin for his reward. i hate people like you who drink the kool aid and continue to perpetrate the fraud that he is some humble, down to earth person.

HE IS NOT.

All that butt hurt typing and you have yet to prove me wrong about lin not being humble.

He is not. He is a fake humble guy and a money grubbing attention seeking whore.

The worst part about Lin?

Him invoking his religion and using his fame to brainwash children and people into believing made up stories by desert people written in the bronze age. Nothing worse than profiting off people's religious sensibilities.

He's basically a charlatan.


You know, I don't really know him so I can't say if he is humble or not. What I said was that his taiwan appearance he said humble things in a humble manner. The content of his public appearance certainly came off as humble. As to his personal self, that was not what I was speaking of. But for saying the right things well and being a decent example to other human beings, I am willing to root for him. He's also been pretty consistent so far on his public persona. But then again, you sound like you know him. I will readily admit that I don't.

But I suspect you are simply speculating, and that shows a great deal of courage to portray that as fact, especially on the internet.

I congratulate you on a good job hating me. I don't know you, but the fact that I am taking up room in your brain, paying no rent, fills me with a kind of glee. I also have no further wish to know you. Thank you for saving me the time.

But as a partying shot, let me just let you in on a bit of a secret:

Nobody here is acting butt hurt, except for you.

You should keep typing. I am certainly not going to read it, but maybe someone else could grab the proverbial torch and again attempt to speak some sense in your general direction. You're going on my ignore list.
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Re: DREAM BIG - BE YOURSELF * Jeremy Lin* - 8/18/2013 

Post#64 » by kinein » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:27 am

spolgar wrote:
But as a partying shot, let me just let you in on a bit of a secret:

Nobody here is acting butt hurt, except for you.

You should keep typing. I am certainly not going to read it, but maybe someone else could grab the proverbial torch and again attempt to speak some sense in your general direction. You're going on my ignore list.


You have a lot more endurance than I do! I put him on my ignore list 1-2 posts ago. o.O

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Re: DREAM BIG - BE YOURSELF * Jeremy Lin* - 8/18/2013 

Post#65 » by spolgar » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:56 pm

I didn't know if he was just being a dick, or if he was being stupid.

Turns out he was being both.

There is a morbid fascination to me when it comes to Lin haters. This is a guy who's NBA career is a modern day epic. And yet, the hatred I see from some of NBA fans pertaining to Lin, is deep. I mean, the people who hate Lin, they have that special drive that I don't see from Kobe haters. He is one of the more polarizing figures of these NBA times.
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Re: DREAM BIG - BE YOURSELF * Jeremy Lin* - 8/18/2013 

Post#66 » by Vae Victus » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:20 pm

Lakers and Lin fan here (and chinese-american, might as well get that out of the way). I kinda came exploring around the forums reading around seeing how folks were reacting to these recent Lin stories (and for most places pretty negative as expected).

I REALLY REALLY shouldnt be doing this, replying to something that others have laid things out already so eloquently. I know better than to kick up a fuss for no good reason, but damnit i just cant help it....

Hey Slick Southpaw, if youre still around after getting beaten down by Spolgar (damn fine posts, btw), what's your opinion about Tim Tebow?
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Re: DREAM BIG - BE YOURSELF * Jeremy Lin* - 8/18/2013 

Post#67 » by spolgar » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:13 pm

Thanks. I tried to end it as best as I could without me getting carried away. I can't expect moofs to reel me in everytime.
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Re: DREAM BIG - BE YOURSELF * Jeremy Lin* - 8/18/2013 

Post#68 » by moofs » Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:23 pm

Can someone please remind me why are we arguing about Lin when we have the best SG in the league, the best C in the league, a very competent supporting cast and then Parsons and Beverly t'boot? I'm lost.

Oh yeah, and Lin.
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Re: DREAM BIG - BE YOURSELF * Jeremy Lin* - 8/18/2013 

Post#69 » by kinein » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:19 pm

moofs wrote:Can someone please remind me why are we arguing about Lin when we have the best SG in the league, the best C in the league, a very competent supporting cast and then Parsons and Beverly t'boot? I'm lost.

Oh yeah, and Lin.


Why would anyone argue about the best SG and best C, and the next superstar Parsons.

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Re: DREAM BIG - BE YOURSELF * Jeremy Lin* - 8/18/2013 

Post#70 » by moofs » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:23 pm

kinein wrote:
moofs wrote:Can someone please remind me why are we arguing about Lin when we have the best SG in the league, the best C in the league, a very competent supporting cast and then Parsons and Beverly t'boot? I'm lost.

Oh yeah, and Lin.


Why would anyone argue about the best SG and best C, and the next superstar Parsons.

You may want to review what the topic is titled, and the original post ~ then review the trollster's commentary to fully grasp why there was a short argument.


You erm, I guess you could read what I wrote that way... technically, but... it was more of an attempt to thfiffle further trolling. I didn't presactly read the first two pages, but the last 3 are all troll-related. So. Um. My guess would be that probably most of our trolls are LALAers, and um, 62+ vs. 25-, and we stole their candy.
Anything else is pretty much moot ... was more my point.
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Re: DREAM BIG - BE YOURSELF * Jeremy Lin* - 8/18/2013 

Post#71 » by kinein » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:35 pm

moofs wrote:
kinein wrote:
moofs wrote:Can someone please remind me why are we arguing about Lin when we have the best SG in the league, the best C in the league, a very competent supporting cast and then Parsons and Beverly t'boot? I'm lost.

Oh yeah, and Lin.


Why would anyone argue about the best SG and best C, and the next superstar Parsons.

You may want to review what the topic is titled, and the original post ~ then review the trollster's commentary to fully grasp why there was a short argument.


You erm, I guess you could read what I wrote that way... technically, but... it was more of an attempt to thfiffle further trolling. I didn't presactly read the first two pages, but the last 3 are all troll-related. So. Um. My guess would be that probably most of our trolls are LALAers, and um, 62+ vs. 25-, and we stole their candy.
Anything else is pretty much moot ... was more my point.


I agree, actually since I realized my original jibberjabber typing may be misconstrued as somewhat condescending (add any other negative description) I cleaned it up to be concise.

The NBA offseason is wayyyyy too long. At least football is back.
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Re: DREAM BIG - BE YOURSELF * Jeremy Lin* - 8/18/2013 

Post#72 » by moofs » Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:29 pm

Word.
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Re: Jeremy Lin - 2013 Season Mixtape 

Post#73 » by sphinxwt » Tue Sep 3, 2013 2:58 am

texasholdem wrote:A successful Lin season would be 12 ppg, 9 apg, 2topg. 45% fg, 38% 3-ptfg

So less points is fine if he can get assists up and turnovers down.


Dude, it's crazy number. No one in the NBA history has done it before.
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Re: Jeremy Lin - 2013 Season Mixtape 

Post#74 » by texasholdem » Tue Sep 3, 2013 3:16 am

sphinxwt wrote:
texasholdem wrote:A successful Lin season would be 12 ppg, 9 apg, 2topg. 45% fg, 38% 3-ptfg

So less points is fine if he can get assists up and turnovers down.


Dude, it's crazy number. No one in the NBA history has done it before.


Jose Calderon in 08-09 season per game
12.8 points, 8.9 assists , 2.1 turnovers, 49% fg, 41% 3pt fg
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