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Re: Rating Lowry, Dragic and Lin by SportVU @ NBA.com 

Post#21 » by Lorenzomax7 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:09 am

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iconoclatism wrote:This is the best type of graph. The closer you are to 10 the more elite you are at that particular category. The more round your graph the more all rounder you are.

From the 1st chart, you can see that Dragic is a more well rounded PG with some elite skills such as drives and tran.&ot. Dragic is not a defensive PG. Lin is uneven with off the charts drives and defense with decent free throw but needs lots of work on rebounds, turnover, pull up and close. He is quite clutch. If Lin work on rebounds, close, pull up and turnovers, he will be a more well rounded PG. Lowrie has a flat profile with strengths on less turnovers, decent assists, excellent catch and shoot, pretty good defense but not clutch.

Dragic's chart is the best while Lin's shows he has areas that need to develop.


Lin was a good rebounder in NY. I notice with the Rockets Lin's rebound numbers have dipped a lot. I think it has something to do with Lin being tasked to lead the break and push the pace, he looks to be in position closer to halfcourt a lot of times for this reason which will hurt rebound numbers. The pull up vs catch and shoot surprises me, in NY and his first season in Houston I think those numbers were reversed. He was terrible at catch and shoot and everyone was saying he shoots better off the dribble.


Yep. Lin's pull up had regressed to below average level because of his different role in H-town. I also noticed that Lin had taken more Pull Up 3P shots than last season to beat the shot clock which were mostly contested(his 6-5 wingspan and average vertical speed definitely wouldn't help him out).

These changes would certainly affect his overall pull up stats.
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Re: Rating Lowry, Dragic and Lin by SportVU @ NBA.com 

Post#22 » by Lorenzomax7 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:56 am

iconoclatism wrote:This is the best type of graph. The closer you are to 10 the more elite you are at that particular category. The more round your graph the more all rounder you are.

From the 1st chart, you can see that Dragic is a more well rounded PG with some elite skills such as drives and tran.&ot. Dragic is not a defensive PG. Lin is uneven with off the charts drives and defense with decent free throw but needs lots of work on rebounds, turnover, pull up and close. He is quite clutch. If Lin work on rebounds, close, pull up and turnovers, he will be a more well rounded PG. Lowrie has a flat profile with strengths on less turnovers, decent assists, excellent catch and shoot, pretty good defense but not clutch.

Dragic's chart is the best while Lin's shows he has areas that need to develop.


Good analyse.

Btw, I used PIE @ NBA.com to rate these guards' clutchness.
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Re: Rating Lowry, Dragic and Lin by SportVU @ NBA.com 

Post#23 » by Lorenzomax7 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:27 am

BflI wrote:Can you put Raymond Felton and Patrick Beverley in there just for reference? Since those two are the most controversial players when people judge Lin's performance

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Don't be surprised if Beverley was better than Lin in Transition cuz Lin attempted&made the 3s less and this category(Tran. & OT) doesn't account assist/to. And b4 anyone ask me.. How the hell was Raymond being a better defender than Patrick? I would just like to say: defense is too "wild" to be rating by raw stats or even advanced stats so unfortunately no stats are near perfect in that part right now. :( Because Raymond is among the worst defenders by our eye tests(no need to argue abt that). :wink: So this can only remind us, according to SportVU's Defense Impact, Felton is a great shot blocker among Point Guards and THAT'S IT.

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* Overall rating = 50 + 50% * the SUM of all categories by each player's own ratio weighted-Clutchness' weighted ratio(=10.4166666666666%) is calculated by 100% * (5/48):

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Post#24 » by Lorenzomax7 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:41 am

ChokeFasncists wrote:I suppose there has been some heavy editing?

Thanks! Quite enlightening! What is "close" btw?

Interesting, Felton scores pretty high on defense...

Wondering wassup with Lin's rebounding and transition, seems like a coaching decision.


Coaching effect would always plays a small part in all kinds of stats, no matter how raw or advanced they are.

From my angle, I can see that Lin was absolutely not good at tracing those uncontested long rebounds. He naturally lacks a sense of it which Bev doesn't imo. He was also consistently beaten down by those opponents' big guys inside the paint due to his average vertical speed, wingspan, physical strength and stamina among guards.

And here you go:

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Re: Rating Lowry, Dragic and Lin by SportVU @ NBA.com 

Post#25 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:22 am

Lorenzomax7 wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:I suppose there has been some heavy editing?

Thanks! Quite enlightening! What is "close" btw?

Interesting, Felton scores pretty high on defense...

Wondering wassup with Lin's rebounding and transition, seems like a coaching decision.


Coaching effect would always plays a small part in all kinds of stats, no matter how raw or advanced they are.

From my angle, I can see that Lin was absolutely not good at tracing those uncontested long rebounds. He naturally lacks a sense of it which Bev doesn't imo. He was also consistently beaten down by those opponents' big guys inside the paint due to his average vertical speed, wingspan, physical strength and stamina among guards.

And here you go:

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Thanks a lot! Lin's close and pull ups have gotten worse I think cuz he's not supposed to shoot them and he only does probably because of the shot clock situation. Regarding the coaching decision I was talking about, Lin averaged around 4 rebounds at the beginning and then 2 later on. I think that was when McHale said something I forgot. Lin used to get the rebound and then dribble to start the break, seems like McHale isn't very fond of this. Something changed after several months into last season I believe.
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Post#26 » by CU_NY09 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:04 pm

Nice job, lorenzomax7. At least you've got fans from other forums appreciating your work.
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Post#27 » by Mr. E » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:26 pm

Looking forward to reading the updates when I have more time. Thanks for posting this!
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Re: Rating Lowry, Dragic, Lin, Bev & FatAss by SportVU 

Post#28 » by Lorenzomax7 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:18 am

CU_NY09 wrote:Nice job, lorenzomax7. At least you've got fans from other forums appreciating your work.

Oh really? Would you tell me which forum were you talking abt if you don't mind? OR you were just talking about THIS forum? :wink:
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Re: Rating Lowry, Dragic, Lin, Bev & FatAss by SportVU 

Post#29 » by CU_NY09 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:20 am

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CU_NY09 wrote:Nice job, lorenzomax7. At least you've got fans from other forums appreciating your work.

Oh really? Would you tell me which forum were you talking abt if you don't mind? OR you were just talking about THIS forum? :wink:


fans of other teams coming into this forum and reddit.
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Re: Rating Lowry, Dragic, Lin, Bev & FatAss by SportVU 

Post#30 » by Lorenzomax7 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:44 am

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Lorenzomax7 wrote:
CU_NY09 wrote:Nice job, lorenzomax7. At least you've got fans from other forums appreciating your work.

Oh really? Would you tell me which forum were you talking abt if you don't mind? OR you were just talking about THIS forum? :wink:


fans of other teams coming into this forum and reddit.

All right, thanks.
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