Gordon Hayward

[texasholdem]

What did you want him to do instead? He's 27 and just lost a tough series... maybe he wanted to party and forget. I give credit to the Spurs. Aldridge beat the hell out of them like he was back in Portland or something.

Don't forget... Ryan Anderson was a no show and makes 18M. Eric Gordon... another 12M no show. Credit to the Spurs and I also credit the Rockets for an overall good season despite the fizzle out.

And Harden was a 28 million dollar no show. He should have shown the fans more respect than partying afterwards.

Sorry but no. Harden is allowed to celebrate a phenomenal season despite the series loss. He and the Rockets have nothing to hang their heads about after far exceeding expectations and providing an entertaining season.

The 1993 Oilers provided an entertaining season as well. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be criticized for the Buffalo game. Harden can celebrate another night not immediately after the biggest choke job of his career. Think of all the fans who paid their hard earned money to attend that game. They were ripped off. You criticize Anderson and Gordon but won't do the same for the Superstar. Why?

[Nebula1]

And Harden was a 28 million dollar no show. He should have shown the fans more respect than partying afterwards.

Sorry but no. Harden is allowed to celebrate a phenomenal season despite the series loss. He and the Rockets have nothing to hang their heads about after far exceeding expectations and providing an entertaining season.

The 1993 Oilers provided an entertaining season as well. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be criticized for the Buffalo game. Harden can celebrate another night not immediately after the biggest choke job of his career. Think of all the fans who paid their hard earned money to attend that game. They were ripped off. You criticize Anderson and Gordon but won't do the same for the Superstar. Why?

I'm critical of the performance by the entire team for that game but I'm not going to take it out of context of the entire season, which was very good. I would have no problem with anybody going out after the season ended, win or lose. It's a long grind and in this case, Harden put up an MVP-worthy season. Cheers to that; regroup for next season.

Also I'm giving credit to San Antonio for defeating Houston. It was more them than Houston.

[MaxRider]

do we have enough money for Gallinari?

I'm not sure you want that... I'd prefer Millsap since he can bang a little bit.

I was thinking Ariza move to PF and Gallinari play SF
Like Marion was playing PF for D'Antoni

[Nebula1]

do we have enough money for Gallinari?

I'm not sure you want that... I'd prefer Millsap since he can bang a little bit.

I was thinking Ariza move to PF and Gallinari play SF
Like Marion was playing PF for D'Antoni

I still think they get beat up then. I think the Rockets need an upgrade at wing and some more toughness inside. I'd consider moving on from Harrell also and keeping Nene for another season.

I like the Millsap/Anderson combo at PF a ton.

[BallerTalk]

I'm not sure you want that... I'd prefer Millsap since he can bang a little bit.

I was thinking Ariza move to PF and Gallinari play SF
Like Marion was playing PF for D'Antoni

I still think they get beat up then. I think the Rockets need an upgrade at wing and some more toughness inside. I'd consider moving on from Harrell also and keeping Nene for another season.

I like the Millsap/Anderson combo at PF a ton.

Why would you give up on Harrell already? He showed potential when given minutes and is still on an extremely cheap deal.

Back on topic, I'm sure Hayward will give the Rockets a listen but I think it would take something tremendous to pull him away from presumed favorites Utah and Boston.
What bodes well for suitors though is that he was apparently willing to leave Utah before.

[moofs]

The 1993 Oilers provided an entertaining season as well. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be criticized for the Buffalo game.

Oh geez. I thought that had healed.

I THOUGHT THAT HAD HEALED.

[texasholdem]

Utah will sign and trade Hayward to Indy for Paul George, which is a little ironic since Hayward was drafted the spot before George in 2010. Hayward is from Indiana so I think he'd agree to it.

PG would have a solid cast in Utah with Gobert, Favors etc and getting George might help in re-signing George Hill since they were teammates at Indiana.

Morey can try to sign him but I think will get spurned just like with Aldridge, Bosh, Melo, Lowry, etc

[Daddy 801]

Utah will sign and trade Hayward to Indy for Paul George, which is a little ironic since Hayward was drafted the spot before George in 2010. Hayward is from Indiana so I think he'd agree to it.

PG would have a solid cast in Utah with Gobert, Favors etc and getting George might help in re-signing George Hill since they were teammates at Indiana.

Morey can try to sign him but I think will get spurned just like with Aldridge, Bosh, Melo, Lowry, etc

This is bananas.

[texasholdem]

Utah will sign and trade Hayward to Indy for Paul George, which is a little ironic since Hayward was drafted the spot before George in 2010. Hayward is from Indiana so I think he'd agree to it.

PG would have a solid cast in Utah with Gobert, Favors etc and getting George might help in re-signing George Hill since they were teammates at Indiana.

Morey can try to sign him but I think will get spurned just like with Aldridge, Bosh, Melo, Lowry, etc

This is bananas.

Why? Paul George wants to leave Indy and Hayward is almost equal value in return.

[Dellyhas2gfs]

Utah will sign and trade Hayward to Indy for Paul George, which is a little ironic since Hayward was drafted the spot before George in 2010. Hayward is from Indiana so I think he'd agree to it.

PG would have a solid cast in Utah with Gobert, Favors etc and getting George might help in re-signing George Hill since they were teammates at Indiana.

Morey can try to sign him but I think will get spurned just like with Aldridge, Bosh, Melo, Lowry, etc

This is bananas.

Why? Paul George wants to leave Indy and Hayward is almost equal value in return.

The Pacers could just sign up straight up and have both

[K_chile22]

Utah will sign and trade Hayward to Indy for Paul George, which is a little ironic since Hayward was drafted the spot before George in 2010. Hayward is from Indiana so I think he'd agree to it.

PG would have a solid cast in Utah with Gobert, Favors etc and getting George might help in re-signing George Hill since they were teammates at Indiana.

Morey can try to sign him but I think will get spurned just like with Aldridge, Bosh, Melo, Lowry, etc

This is bananas.

Why? Paul George wants to leave Indy and Hayward is almost equal value in return.

There's literally 0 incentive for teams that aren't way over the cap to do a sign and trade. Why would a team give their best player in one. Makes 0 sense. Even outside of this cba has there ever been a superstar traded for a sign and trade? I doubt it

Also guarantee you Hayward doesn't want to leave Utah for a MUCH worse team just because he's from the area.

[texasholdem]

This is bananas.

Why? Paul George wants to leave Indy and Hayward is almost equal value in return.

There's literally 0 incentive for teams that aren't way over the cap to do a sign and trade. Why would a team give their best player in one. Makes 0 sense. Even outside of this cba has there ever been a superstar traded for a sign and trade? I doubt it

Also guarantee you Hayward doesn't want to leave Utah for a MUCH worse team just because he's from the area.

Bulls sign and traded Pippen to the Rockets. Yes that was a long time ago but still that's a superstar and a teams best player (Jordan retired a few weeks earlier) traded for (current Rockets assistant coach) Roy Rogers and a second rounder.

Hayward is an unrestricted FA so he could go somewhere like Miami and the Jazz get nothing. Paul would be unrestricted next year so it's basically trading for a 1 year extension for the same position. Yes Pacers were 9 games worse than the Jazz but they have solid youth in Myles Turner and are in the much easier East, where Boston went from 5th to 1st this year.

Why for Jazz: avoid losing Hayward for nothing. Get a 1 year tryout for Paul George to see if he fits. Increase odds of re-signing Hill
Why for Pacers: avoid losing George next year for nothing since he's unhappy. Get a solid all star in Hayward locked to long term deal.
Why for Hayward: Go to easier East and his hometown/state. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Why for George: Get away from playing Lebron in the playoffs every year. Change of scenery. Go to better team.

It's a win-win situation for everyone.

Yes I know the likelihood of a PG-GH deal is very slim but who cares? It's the offseason and the Rockets don't have a first rounder so there's not much else to talk about. It makes sense to me from a basketball perspective,even if it doesn't from a business one. It's not like I was going to put money on my "prediction" happening.

[K_chile22]

Why? Paul George wants to leave Indy and Hayward is almost equal value in return.

There's literally 0 incentive for teams that aren't way over the cap to do a sign and trade. Why would a team give their best player in one. Makes 0 sense. Even outside of this cba has there ever been a superstar traded for a sign and trade? I doubt it

Also guarantee you Hayward doesn't want to leave Utah for a MUCH worse team just because he's from the area.

Bulls sign and traded Pippen to the Rockets. Yes that was a long time ago but still that's a superstar and a teams best player (Jordan retired a few weeks earlier) traded for (current Rockets assistant coach) Roy Rogers and a second rounder.

Hayward is an unrestricted FA so he could go somewhere like Miami and the Jazz get nothing. Paul would be unrestricted next year so it's basically trading for a 1 year extension for the same position. Yes Pacers were 9 games worse than the Jazz but they have solid youth in Myles Turner and are in the much easier East, where Boston went from 5th to 1st this year.

Why for Jazz: avoid losing Hayward for nothing. Get a 1 year tryout for Paul George to see if he fits. Increase odds of re-signing Hill
Why for Pacers: avoid losing George next year for nothing since he's unhappy. Get a solid all star in Hayward locked to long term deal.
Why for Hayward: Go to easier East and his hometown/state. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Why for George: Get away from playing Lebron in the playoffs every year. Change of scenery. Go to better team.

It's a win-win situation for everyone.

Yes I know the likelihood of a PG-GH deal is very slim but who cares? It's the offseason and the Rockets don't have a first rounder so there's not much else to talk about. It makes sense to me from a basketball perspective,even if it doesn't from a business one. It's not like I was going to put money on my "prediction" happening.

Thats not what I meant. I'm saying the team getting the sign and trade player never gives a star. Your deal is an example of that. Rockets got the star and traded an end of rotation guy and a second rounder. Indy would be off their rockers to give anything of value in a sign and trade. Just pay someone to take Ellis and Al off your books and sign Hayward outright.

[TheSuperShake5]

He better skip out on Boston