Melodrama

[Caramel_Anton]

OK, what if NYK can keep Frank but they'll have to send Willy to CLE instead. Onuaku and Hartenstein can go to NY then. Zhou probably stays in HOU in case Yao and other Chinese investors are interested in buying the team from Les.

Kyrie is in his prime at 25 and a NBA champion, Gold medalist, 4x all star in 6 seasons. Knicks are gonna have to give up a lot to get him, vs Carmelo who is 33 and on the downside of his career.

Some kind of deal involving Anderson/Irving/Anthony needs to happen for all teams involved. CHI is a good landing spot for Anderson since they are so under the cap.

To be honest, not saying Melo, Willy & two 1sts are an unfair trade, the value seems good there.. From a fan standpoint, and from what the front office has promised us this time around, I'd say that is too high of an asking price for us to bet on Kyrie.

Kyrie has been my favorite player in the NBA (aside from Porzingis now taking that spot) since he came into the league. I'd still say no to Carmelo, Willy & two 1sts to get him. It's too reminiscent of the Melo trade and he's too much like Melo when we got him. He doesnt bother with defense, and is a 1 dimension player. He does what he does very good - and could arguably average 30 a game on a Knicks roster next season. But... I don't know. I like the path we are on. Collecting young talent, letting them grow together. Willy & KP6 are very close - and Doncic is our target for next years draft. Another guy who is already friends with Kp6 Willy & Frank. Euro squad, baby!

Only way you convince me to take Kyrie, honestly, is if Cavs take Carmelo, Lee, O'Quinn and 2 firsts. They can even unload a contract on us too, like Shump.

What I see happening in terms of Ryno would be something along the lines of:
Ryno to POR.
Melo to HOU.
Harkless, Turner & a HOU unp 1st to NYK.

I don't want that to happen, but I can see the Knicks FO doing something like that just to get a deal done. Turner isn't a player who couldn't be flipped when he has 1 or 2 years on his contract, his contract is just long and bad right now.

Another scenario just for the sake of having you get an idea of what to expect in a Ryno / Melo trade:
Ryno, Onuaku to MIL.
Melo to HOU.
Teletovic, Parker, HOU NGC's and a HOU 1st to NYK.

^ I'd be cool with that as a Knick fan.

A Melo/Irving/Ryno deal is never going to happen, and good riddance.

The concept of not wanting your favorite player in the entire league on your favorite/home team is so bizarre to me, but whatever. Thanks for dropping by and good luck to your tank season.

I'd love to sign him in 2020 when he becomes a free agent. I don't want to go through another decade of having traded away our future for a high volume scorer. If we can get him in free agency I say offer supermax as many years as you can - cause I love the guy. What's best for my team, though, is to not give up the farm for him because we don't know where the rest of our young talent is progression wise. KP6 is due for a big year but if it doesn't happen maybe Kyrie wants to leave come 2020 and then what? We are sh*t outta luck with CLE holding our picks & presumably young player.

[MaxRider]

Where are we now? Did Morey get sack like 300 times? Are we at 2176th and 98?

[Clutch City Relic]

Here's my latest attempt. Saw the original idea of these 4 teams on Bleacher Report, but I tweaked it a bit

Trade Checker (courtesy of ESPN)

Financial Breakdown (courtesy of Clutch City Relic )

Milwaukee
OUT
---C Greg Monroe
---PF Mirza Teletovic
---C John Henson

IN
---C Tyson Chandler
---PF Ryan Anderson
---PF Shawn Long
---PG Isaiah Taylor

Milwaukee swaps out Henson for Chandler, whose contract is a year shorter. Pick up a replacement C for Monroe and spacing in Anderson so the Greek Freak has more room to operate. Milwaukee also saves about $7M this season

New Chart:
PG: Brogdon/Dellavadova
SG: Middleton/Snell
SF: Antetokounmpo
PF: Anderson/Parker
C: Maker/Chandler


Phoenix
OUT
---C Tyson Chandler

IN
---C John Henson
---SG Tim Quarterman

Swap Chandler for Henson. Though Henson has one extra year on his contract, he is only 26 (compared to Chandler who is 34) which lines up better with Phoenix's timeline and is the better shot blocker at this stage. Henson's contract is declining, so his final year is only $9.7M which won't be difficult to move at that point in time.

New Chart:
PG: Bledsoe/Ulis
SG: Booker/Knight
SF: Warren/Jackson
PF: Chriss/Bender
C: Henson/Williams



New York
OUT
---PF Carmelo Anthony

IN
---C Greg Monroe
---PF Mirza Teletovic
---PF/C Zhou Qi
---PF/C Isaiah Hartenstein
---Pick 2020 HOU 1st
---Pick 2018 CHA/MEM/MIA 2nd

Melodrama gone. Get their picks and prospects (Zhou and Hartenstein). I make this trade with the assumption that Carmelo opts IN to his 2018-19 year, due to there not being enough money to go around next summer. Monroe is expiring, so they would save a year off Melo's deal.

New Chart:
PG: Sessions/Ntilikina
SG: Lee/Baker
SF: Hardaway Jr/Thomas
PF: Porzingas/Teletovic
C: Monroe/Hernangomez



Houston
OUT
---PF Ryan Anderson
---PF Shawn Long
---PG Isaiah Taylor
---SG Tim Quarterman
---PF/C Zhou Qi
---PF/C Isaiah Hartenstein
---Pick 2020 HOU 1st
---Pick 2018 CHA/MEM/MIA 2nd

IN
---PF Carmelo Anthony

No explanation necessary.

New Chart:
PG: Paul/Harden
SG: Harden/Gordon
SF: Ariza/Tucker
PF: Anthony/Mbah a Moute
C: Capela/Nene



Any and all criticisms welcome. Milwaukee probably needs a pick or some other sweetener, because while they cut salary for this year, they do gain some over the course of the involved player's contracts (damn you, Anderson).

On a semi-related note, how was Morey not able to get Anderson's final year non-guaranteed (even partially) like he does for basically every other contract he negotiates? I think his business acumen is declining.

[Basketball1981]

I find it extremely odd that Houston is pursuing a Melo trade. With Paul and Harden already needing the ball to be effective, where does that leave Anthony? The only way this could work is if Anthony completey bought into a catch and shoot role.

I personally think that a trade is not happening with Houston. By now, both teams must have exhausted every possible 2 way and 3-way scenario as well. In a most likely scenario Melo will stay in New York or expand his list. Taking on Anderson would make zero sense for the Knicks. They would take the clearly worse player on a worse contract.

I'm eager to find out what the Rockets look like on the floor next season. Should be an exciting season for you guys.

[mcscotty]

I find it extremely odd that Houston is pursuing a Melo trade. With Paul and Harden already needing the ball to be effective, where does that leave Anthony? The only way this could work is if Anthony completey bought into a catch and shoot role.

I personally think that a trade is not happening with Houston. By now, both teams must have exhausted every possible 2 way and 3-way scenario as well. In a most likely scenario Melo will stay in New York or expand his list. Taking on Anderson would make zero sense for the Knicks. They would take the clearly worse player on a worse contract.

I'm eager to find out what the Rockets look like on the floor next season. Should be an exciting season for you guys.

If you've watched Melo's game in recent years, catch and shoot is pretty much all he does. He hasn't got any moves left, except pivot, jab step, and fadeaway.

Still, I would be surprised/shocked if he reunites with D'Antoni.

[moofs]

Anyways, this thread really should be about the sad disappearance of Butters.

Damn you, Photobucket!

BRING BACK BUTTERS

[moofs]

On a semi-related note, how was Morey not able to get Anderson's final year non-guaranteed (even partially) like he does for basically every other contract he negotiates? I think his business acumen is declining.

There were a few things he's done the last couple years that I found questionable.
He ended up getting them to work, but I think overall it's just that people KNOW he's a shark in these negotiations and go in wearing full body armor and demanding 250% more than they want so that he can has trouble talking them back behind 90-115%.

[Mr. E]

Anyways, this thread really should be about the sad disappearance of Butters.

Damn you, Photobucket!

BRING BACK BUTTERS

I need a new image host.

[Mr. E]

So, I see that Carmelo Anthony is still not a Rocket and that Ryan Anderson is still a Rocket.

I'm so ready for the season to begin.