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Post#121 » by K_chile22 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:55 pm

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texasholdem wrote:If Ennis is the starting SF, then the rockets are in trouble. Why 2 years also?


Looks like a solid 3 and D guy to me. Not enough to make up for losing both Luc and Ariza, but certainly capable of filling that role nicely.
Yeah z he's a mix of the two. Better shooter than Luc, but worse defender. Worse shooter than Ariza, but better defender. He's a good pickup and a fine starter
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Post#122 » by K_chile22 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:56 pm

texasholdem wrote:If Ennis is the starting SF, then the rockets are in trouble. Why 2 years also?
The second year is a player option that, barring a catastrophic disaster, he will decline. He likely had another offer above the minimum somewhere this off-season
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Re: RE: Re: The Offseason 

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texasholdem wrote:If Ennis is the starting SF, then the rockets are in trouble. Why 2 years also?


Looks like a solid 3 and D guy to me. Not enough to make up for losing both Luc and Ariza, but certainly capable of filling that role nicely.
Yeah z he's a mix of the two. Better shooter than Luc, but worse defender. Worse shooter than Ariza, but better defender. He's a good pickup and a fine starter


He's a journeyman. He's only had 58 starts in the 220 games he's played. He is not a fine starter for a contending team in my opinion.
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: The Offseason 

Post#124 » by K_chile22 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:51 am

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Looks like a solid 3 and D guy to me. Not enough to make up for losing both Luc and Ariza, but certainly capable of filling that role nicely.
Yeah z he's a mix of the two. Better shooter than Luc, but worse defender. Worse shooter than Ariza, but better defender. He's a good pickup and a fine starter


He's a journeyman. He's only had 58 starts in the 220 games he's played. He is not a fine starter for a contending team in my opinion.
He's only been in the league for four years and has been on three teams (he requested a buyout from an awful Memphis team, so the third one hardly counts).
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#125 » by Mr. E » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:17 am

I don't think that Ennis is being viewed as a starter.

And I just read the report that Capela turned down 5/85.

If that is true then I'm going to prepare myself for him not being back on the Rockets.
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Post#126 » by texasholdem » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:34 am

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texasholdem wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:Yeah z he's a mix of the two. Better shooter than Luc, but worse defender. Worse shooter than Ariza, but better defender. He's a good pickup and a fine starter


He's a journeyman. He's only had 58 starts in the 220 games he's played. He is not a fine starter for a contending team in my opinion.
He's only been in the league for four years and has been on three teams (he requested a buyout from an awful Memphis team, so the third one hardly counts).


He's 28 already so probably not gonna get much better.

Rodney Hood would have been a fine starter.
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Post#127 » by K_chile22 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:37 am

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He's a journeyman. He's only had 58 starts in the 220 games he's played. He is not a fine starter for a contending team in my opinion.
He's only been in the league for four years and has been on three teams (he requested a buyout from an awful Memphis team, so the third one hardly counts).


He's 28 already so probably not gonna get much better.

Rodney Hood would have been a fine starter.

Rodney Hood was unplayble down the end of last season, doesn't defend, and isn't a 3. I wouldn't want Hood if I had a choice
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: The Offseason 

Post#128 » by texasholdem » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:57 am

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texasholdem wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:He's only been in the league for four years and has been on three teams (he requested a buyout from an awful Memphis team, so the third one hardly counts).


He's 28 already so probably not gonna get much better.

Rodney Hood would have been a fine starter.

Rodney Hood was unplayble down the end of last season, doesn't defend, and isn't a 3. I wouldn't want Hood if I had a choice


Hoopshype lists him as the #2 available small forward after Parker. Draft Express listed him as a SF.

He struggled on a new team for the last 20 games and playoffs but the first half of his season with Utah was fine when he wasn't injured. It's not like Utah dumped him for nothing.

His defensive rating was 1.2 points higher than Ennis last season so not much different
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: The Offseason 

Post#129 » by K_chile22 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:09 am

texasholdem wrote:
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He's 28 already so probably not gonna get much better.

Rodney Hood would have been a fine starter.

Rodney Hood was unplayble down the end of last season, doesn't defend, and isn't a 3. I wouldn't want Hood if I had a choice


Hoopshype lists him as the #2 available small forward after Parker. Draft Express listed him as a SF.

He struggled on a new team for the last 20 games and playoffs but the first half of his season with Utah was fine when he wasn't injured. It's not like Utah dumped him for nothing.

His defensive rating was 1.2 points higher than Ennis last season so not much different

He's too small to defend threes. The Jazz didn't want him anymore because he fell off hard this season. They traded him for Crowder who was having his worst season since becoming a rotation player. And individual defensive rating is a pretty terriblke stat that's mopstly comprised of DREBs, Steals, and blocks

Hoopshypes positions are all out of whack as well, Parker is a four through and through lol played 24 possessions at SF and nearly 1400 at PF
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#130 » by MaxRider » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:14 am

Mr. E wrote:I don't think that Ennis is being viewed as a starter.

And I just read the report that Capela turned down 5/85.

If that is true then I'm going to prepare myself for him not being back on the Rockets.


5/85 is still far from what Capela is seek for 4/100
everyone get overpaid in 2016
he just need to realize that
worst case is he accept the QO

i actually hope Morey use taxpayer MLE on Wayne Ellington and not Melo
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Post#131 » by texasholdem » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:54 pm

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texasholdem wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:Rodney Hood was unplayble down the end of last season, doesn't defend, and isn't a 3. I wouldn't want Hood if I had a choice


Hoopshype lists him as the #2 available small forward after Parker. Draft Express listed him as a SF.

He struggled on a new team for the last 20 games and playoffs but the first half of his season with Utah was fine when he wasn't injured. It's not like Utah dumped him for nothing.

His defensive rating was 1.2 points higher than Ennis last season so not much different

He's too small to defend threes. The Jazz didn't want him anymore because he fell off hard this season. They traded him for Crowder who was having his worst season since becoming a rotation player. And individual defensive rating is a pretty terriblke stat that's mopstly comprised of DREBs, Steals, and blocks

Hoopshypes positions are all out of whack as well, Parker is a four through and through lol played 24 possessions at SF and nearly 1400 at PF


This nba beat writer also considers him
a SF https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article214545484.html

He only played shooting guard because of Gordon Hayward and then Joe Ingles. He's 6'8 and 206. Ennis is 6'7 and 210, the same as Nick young who the rockets also might add. If pj Tucker can be a pf at 6'5 or Calvin Murphy be a sg then I don't think Hood at Sf is a big stretch.

Hood was averaging career highs on scoring with Utah last year as well as highs in ft %, fg%, efg%, three point % so I don't know how he "fell off" other than rebounding.
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#132 » by Mr. E » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:24 pm

MaxRider wrote:
Mr. E wrote:I don't think that Ennis is being viewed as a starter.

And I just read the report that Capela turned down 5/85.

If that is true then I'm going to prepare myself for him not being back on the Rockets.


5/85 is still far from what Capela is seek for 4/100
everyone get overpaid in 2016
he just need to realize that
worst case is he accept the QO

i actually hope Morey use taxpayer MLE on Wayne Ellington and not Melo


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Re: The Offseason 

Post#133 » by texasholdem » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:42 pm

Mr. E wrote:
MaxRider wrote:
Mr. E wrote:I don't think that Ennis is being viewed as a starter.

And I just read the report that Capela turned down 5/85.

If that is true then I'm going to prepare myself for him not being back on the Rockets.


5/85 is still far from what Capela is seek for 4/100
everyone get overpaid in 2016
he just need to realize that
worst case is he accept the QO

i actually hope Morey use taxpayer MLE on Wayne Ellington and not Melo


2016 will be remembered as one of the worst things to happen to realistic expectations in the NBA.


2016 will be remembered as one of the worst things to happen in American history. :lol:

Jokic just got paid this summer. Is Capela really worth only half of jokic?
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#134 » by MaxRider » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:10 pm

texasholdem wrote:
Mr. E wrote:
MaxRider wrote:
5/85 is still far from what Capela is seek for 4/100
everyone get overpaid in 2016
he just need to realize that
worst case is he accept the QO

i actually hope Morey use taxpayer MLE on Wayne Ellington and not Melo


2016 will be remembered as one of the worst things to happen to realistic expectations in the NBA.


2016 will be remembered as one of the worst things to happen in American history. :lol:

Jokic just got paid this summer. Is Capela really worth only half of jokic?


Wiggins got paid last summer too, is he worth that contract?
there is always some players getting overpaid
i think Capela is worth 16-18M per, definitely not 20M
those missed FT in playoff still hurt
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: The Offseason 

Post#135 » by K_chile22 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:22 pm

texasholdem wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
texasholdem wrote:
Hoopshype lists him as the #2 available small forward after Parker. Draft Express listed him as a SF.

He struggled on a new team for the last 20 games and playoffs but the first half of his season with Utah was fine when he wasn't injured. It's not like Utah dumped him for nothing.

His defensive rating was 1.2 points higher than Ennis last season so not much different

He's too small to defend threes. The Jazz didn't want him anymore because he fell off hard this season. They traded him for Crowder who was having his worst season since becoming a rotation player. And individual defensive rating is a pretty terriblke stat that's mopstly comprised of DREBs, Steals, and blocks

Hoopshypes positions are all out of whack as well, Parker is a four through and through lol played 24 possessions at SF and nearly 1400 at PF


This nba beat writer also considers him
a SF https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article214545484.html

He only played shooting guard because of Gordon Hayward and then Joe Ingles. He's 6'8 and 206. Ennis is 6'7 and 210, the same as Nick young who the rockets also might add. If pj Tucker can be a pf at 6'5 or Calvin Murphy be a sg then I don't think Hood at Sf is a big stretch.

Hood was averaging career highs on scoring with Utah last year as well as highs in ft %, fg%, efg%, three point % so I don't know how he "fell off" other than rebounding.


Both PJ and Ennis have 7 ft wingspans, 4 inches longer than Hood's, which is far more important when defending than how high your head is off the ground, and both are stout wheras Hood is really slight and bounces off wings when trying to defend. Gerald Green is 6'8 and has a 6'10 wingspan, but he's also more of a two than a three because of his slight build and defensive limitations, like Hood. Positions aren't defined by how high your head is off the ground. Hood is a terrible defender and is more of an offensive creator type. Not what the Rockets needed at all. Not to mention his assist to usage ratio is terrible, hovering around 20th percentile last two seasons, while his points per shooting attempt are usually middling, around 50th percentile for his position, except for 35th percentile in 2016-17 and 40th with the cavs. Both the Cavs and Jazz defense were 5.7 points better per 100 with him off, and overall the Jazz were 9 points better with him off vs on. He stunk last year. He will probably take his qualifying offer because as far as I know no ones even made him an offer.

This excerpt from his draft profile on draft express still rings very true:
Hood's biggest weakness as a NBA prospect likely revolves around his defense, as he shows questionable intensity on this end of the floor, rarely getting into an actual stance and frequently being knocked off balance and taken advantage of off the dribble due to his lack of strength. His relatively short arms don't do him any favors here, as he measured just a 6-8 wingspan on a few occasions, which is accurately reflected in his inability to generate steals (.9 per-40), blocks (.3) or rebounds (4.9), all of which rank among the worst rates in the draft at his position. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rodney-Hood-5723/ ©DraftExpress
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: The Offseason 

Post#136 » by texasholdem » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:47 pm

K_chile22 wrote:
texasholdem wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:He's too small to defend threes. The Jazz didn't want him anymore because he fell off hard this season. They traded him for Crowder who was having his worst season since becoming a rotation player. And individual defensive rating is a pretty terriblke stat that's mopstly comprised of DREBs, Steals, and blocks

Hoopshypes positions are all out of whack as well, Parker is a four through and through lol played 24 possessions at SF and nearly 1400 at PF


This nba beat writer also considers him
a SF https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article214545484.html

He only played shooting guard because of Gordon Hayward and then Joe Ingles. He's 6'8 and 206. Ennis is 6'7 and 210, the same as Nick young who the rockets also might add. If pj Tucker can be a pf at 6'5 or Calvin Murphy be a sg then I don't think Hood at Sf is a big stretch.

Hood was averaging career highs on scoring with Utah last year as well as highs in ft %, fg%, efg%, three point % so I don't know how he "fell off" other than rebounding.


Both PJ and Ennis have 7 ft wingspans, 4 inches longer than Hood's, which is far more important when defending than how high your head is off the ground, and both are stout wheras Hood is really slight and bounces off wings when trying to defend. Gerald Green is 6'8 and has a 6'10 wingspan, but he's also more of a two than a three because of his slight build and defensive limitations, like Hood. Positions aren't defined by how high your head is off the ground. Hood is a terrible defender and is more of an offensive creator type. Not what the Rockets needed at all. Not to mention his assist to usage ratio is terrible, hovering around 20th percentile last two seasons, while his points per shooting attempt are usually middling, around 50th percentile for his position, except for 35th percentile in 2016-17 and 40th with the cavs. Both the Cavs and Jazz defense were 5.7 points better per 100 with him off, and overall the Jazz were 9 points better with him off vs on. He stunk last year. He will probably take his qualifying offer because as far as I know no ones even made him an offer.

This excerpt from his draft profile on draft express still rings very true:
Hood's biggest weakness as a NBA prospect likely revolves around his defense, as he shows questionable intensity on this end of the floor, rarely getting into an actual stance and frequently being knocked off balance and taken advantage of off the dribble due to his lack of strength. His relatively short arms don't do him any favors here, as he measured just a 6-8 wingspan on a few occasions, which is accurately reflected in his inability to generate steals (.9 per-40), blocks (.3) or rebounds (4.9), all of which rank among the worst rates in the draft at his position. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rodney-Hood-5723/ ©DraftExpress


Jimmy Butler and Gordon Hayward are both 6'8 with a 6'8 wingspan just like Hood. Guess you would reject either of them from being the Rockets starting small forward?

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Post#137 » by K_chile22 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:47 pm

texasholdem wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
texasholdem wrote:
This nba beat writer also considers him
a SF https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article214545484.html

He only played shooting guard because of Gordon Hayward and then Joe Ingles. He's 6'8 and 206. Ennis is 6'7 and 210, the same as Nick young who the rockets also might add. If pj Tucker can be a pf at 6'5 or Calvin Murphy be a sg then I don't think Hood at Sf is a big stretch.

Hood was averaging career highs on scoring with Utah last year as well as highs in ft %, fg%, efg%, three point % so I don't know how he "fell off" other than rebounding.


Both PJ and Ennis have 7 ft wingspans, 4 inches longer than Hood's, which is far more important when defending than how high your head is off the ground, and both are stout wheras Hood is really slight and bounces off wings when trying to defend. Gerald Green is 6'8 and has a 6'10 wingspan, but he's also more of a two than a three because of his slight build and defensive limitations, like Hood. Positions aren't defined by how high your head is off the ground. Hood is a terrible defender and is more of an offensive creator type. Not what the Rockets needed at all. Not to mention his assist to usage ratio is terrible, hovering around 20th percentile last two seasons, while his points per shooting attempt are usually middling, around 50th percentile for his position, except for 35th percentile in 2016-17 and 40th with the cavs. Both the Cavs and Jazz defense were 5.7 points better per 100 with him off, and overall the Jazz were 9 points better with him off vs on. He stunk last year. He will probably take his qualifying offer because as far as I know no ones even made him an offer.

This excerpt from his draft profile on draft express still rings very true:
Hood's biggest weakness as a NBA prospect likely revolves around his defense, as he shows questionable intensity on this end of the floor, rarely getting into an actual stance and frequently being knocked off balance and taken advantage of off the dribble due to his lack of strength. His relatively short arms don't do him any favors here, as he measured just a 6-8 wingspan on a few occasions, which is accurately reflected in his inability to generate steals (.9 per-40), blocks (.3) or rebounds (4.9), all of which rank among the worst rates in the draft at his position. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rodney-Hood-5723/ DraftExpress


Jimmy Butler and Gordon Hayward are both 6'8 with a 6'8 wingspan just like Hood. Guess you would reject either of them from being the Rockets starting small forward?

Kevin Willis did just fine in his nba career including as a Rocket.
You're ignoring what I said about build. Both those guys are jacked. Hood is not, and Hood shys away from physicality, because he's so slender, making him a two, at least for the Rockets who didn't have anyone who could defend threes but Tucker until the Ennis signing. Hood can't defend threes. I definitely positions by who you can/will guard. Hood doesn't guard threes because he's not long and he's small
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Post#138 » by texasholdem » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:06 pm

K_chile22 wrote:
texasholdem wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
Both PJ and Ennis have 7 ft wingspans, 4 inches longer than Hood's, which is far more important when defending than how high your head is off the ground, and both are stout wheras Hood is really slight and bounces off wings when trying to defend. Gerald Green is 6'8 and has a 6'10 wingspan, but he's also more of a two than a three because of his slight build and defensive limitations, like Hood. Positions aren't defined by how high your head is off the ground. Hood is a terrible defender and is more of an offensive creator type. Not what the Rockets needed at all. Not to mention his assist to usage ratio is terrible, hovering around 20th percentile last two seasons, while his points per shooting attempt are usually middling, around 50th percentile for his position, except for 35th percentile in 2016-17 and 40th with the cavs. Both the Cavs and Jazz defense were 5.7 points better per 100 with him off, and overall the Jazz were 9 points better with him off vs on. He stunk last year. He will probably take his qualifying offer because as far as I know no ones even made him an offer.

This excerpt from his draft profile on draft express still rings very true:


Jimmy Butler and Gordon Hayward are both 6'8 with a 6'8 wingspan just like Hood. Guess you would reject either of them from being the Rockets starting small forward?

Kevin Willis did just fine in his nba career including as a Rocket.
You're ignoring what I said about build. Both those guys are jacked. Hood is not, and Hood shys away from physicality, because he's so slender, making him a two, at least for the Rockets who didn't have anyone who could defend threes but Tucker until the Ennis signing. Hood can't defend threes. I definitely positions by who you can/will guard. Hood doesn't guard threes because he's not long and he's small


Hood is only 25, Hayward didn't get "jacked" until a few years into his career. Hood can improve his body too. Zhou is rail thin and his defense is decent. Hood doesn't shy away from physicality on offense as he's a good slasher and finisher in the paint.63% close to the basket and 51% in the paint overall. Maybe if Ariza was able to create his own shot they might have been in the finals.

Like Hood, Capela hasn't had any other offers either, that doesn't mean other teams aren't interested.
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#139 » by TMU » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:14 pm

All I'm going to say is to get ready for "The FIT, Part 2.0". It's coming.
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#140 » by RaoulDuke79 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:43 pm

TMU wrote:All I'm going to say is to get ready for "The FIT, Part 2.0". It's coming.


I think this year it's The WINDOW, which is already closed even though it never existed according to most experts going into last season.

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