Sergio Llull Update

[rocketsballin]

Update: Lull staying there til 2014 = do not care.

While im here didn't he win some All-Spanish ACB Team & MVP this year?
Did ya boy Navarro make it too?
You Mad?

Yes you are correct sir. Sergio Liull lol'd his way to the MVP of the Cupa Del Rey League

Copa del Rey isn't a league. It's a 3 game tournament.

[College Boy]

Lmao... Yes! Just when you think you're safe...



... Buzz Killington strikes again!!

[texasholdem]

Spurs are getting their 2009 second round draft pick Nando de Colo next year. He's actually Portugese but born in France and currently playing in the Spanish League.

He's a 24 year old combo guard like Sergio Llull. Can anyone give a comparison of the two? Did they play against each other?

Morey and Les should be working harder to convince Llull to come over.

[jwise44]

Spurs are getting their 2009 second round draft pick Nando de Colo next year. He's actually Portugese but born in France and currently playing in the Spanish League.

He's a 24 year old combo guard like Sergio Llull. Can anyone give a comparison of the two? Did they play against each other?

Morey and Les should be working harder to convince Llull to come over.

Cue raptor claw to come and tell us navarro and v-span are better than both

[moofs]

We should seriously look at drafting that Spanoulis guy.

[Mr. E]

We should seriously look at drafting that Spanoulis guy.

I heard he's the Tracy McGrady of Europe.

[Raptor_Claw]

Spurs are getting their 2009 second round draft pick Nando de Colo next year. He's actually Portugese but born in France and currently playing in the Spanish League.

He's a 24 year old combo guard like Sergio Llull. Can anyone give a comparison of the two? Did they play against each other?

Morey and Les should be working harder to convince Llull to come over.

De Colo is a SG. Just like LLull. Not PG's or combo guards.

De Colo is less athletic, bigger, a much better shooter, and much more skilled on offense all the way around. Llull is more athletic, and a lot more explosive, and much more of a one on one player.

Llull is better in the open court. De Colo is a much better passer and play-maker. Neither one of them are good on defense, as they are both sub-par by Euroleague standards on defense. But, Llull is probably better at defense, even though he's an undersized SG.

Llull is definitely more athletic, and more of an NBA type typical player, but I like De Colo's game way better. De Colo is a lot smarter and a lot more skilled.

[texasholdem]

thanks Raptor for the reply. It looks like De Colo might not be coming over next year after all.

[Raptor_Claw]

The reason why Llull isn't a PG was made clear in game one of the Spanish League Finals. Llull's team, Real Madrid, was leading 80-78, with just a few seconds left in the game, and they had the ball.

Game one was at Barca's home arena, and a win there could change the whole series for Real.

Llull chose to throw up a three pointer, instead of winding down the clock, driving the ball and looking for a foul. This was an epically stupid decision (Steve Francis like basketball I.Q.) and it led to this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8GdQ09baMk[/youtube]

This is the sort of thing that shows how low Llull's basketball I.Q. is, and why so many people say that he should only be used as a SG. He probably just cost his team a Spanish League championship by making such a stupid decision as that.

To top it off, Llull didn't even try to guard the ball after his missed the shot, and it was his man (Huertas) that hit the game winner. So, the people here that argue that anyone claiming Llull has a low basketball I.Q. is a troll, can see for themselves.

Llull is a very nice player, but he simply does not have the basketball I.Q. to be a point guard, no matter what Daryl Morey claims. Llull is, and should be used as a SG.

In case people wonder, Llull has been moved to SG for the Spanish League playoffs, as Sergio Rodriguez is playing the point next to him. But, the coach of Real trusted Llull to make the decision at the end of the game and that was the result. Which is exactly why Llull is not considered an able PG in Europe.

[rocketsballin]

didnt even wait for one of us to say anything this time. u just went in on him. had to get it out of your system

[Raptor_Claw]

didnt even wait for one of us to say anything this time. u just went in on him. had to get it out of your system

Please stop implying that I am a Llull hater. I will say it again, I LIKE him as a player. He's a very nice player, and I personally prefer him over Dragic. But, he is not a point guard. I have people accusing me of being a troll, for simply pointing that out, or they say that he is a PG, simply because Morey says so.

I am just trying to give the actual information on Llull. He isn't a PG. I provided this clip to explain to you why. Because I am sick of being labeled a troll or a hater, for just pointing out that Llull is not a PG, and most people in Europe pretty much know that and agree with it.

But you get labeled as a troll or a hater, by most Rockets fans, if you mention that, due to Daryl More'y comments that claim Llull is a PG.

I am giving you the factual info on Llull. I am not a hater or a troll. If I was a hater, I would not say that I like him more than Dragic as a player. Your GM simply is wrong. Llull isn't a PG. He has a lower point guard mentality and I.Q. than Steve Francis.

I was not trying to bash Llull. I was trying to point out the exact reason why he isn't a PG. But it seems that most of the Rockets fan base just takes whatever Daryl Morey claims to be gospel, even if it is wrong.

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I like how you essentially wrote the same thing in 5 paragraphs. Good job by you.

And yes, you are a troll. It's quite the challenge to get banned on Clutchfans. Not only did you accomplish it once, but multiple times. And for good reason.

Llull plays the vast majority of his minutes at point guard. He even was voted the best PG in the Spanish League recently. He's not Steve Nash by any means and he does have some combo guard in him, but saying he is a shooting guard is just flat out wrong.
Also, he will have to play PG in the NBA, as there's no way he'll be able to guard the bigger 2's in this league.

If you wanna say Llull is a combo guard or PG with SG insincts, fine, but please stop spreading this non-sense of Llull being strictly a SG.

[rocketsballin]

this thread is the lulz

[Raptor_Claw]

Llull plays the vast majority of his minutes at point guard. He even was voted the best PG in the Spanish League recently. He's not Steve Nash by any means and he does have some combo guard in him, but saying he is a shooting guard is just flat out wrong.
Also, he will have to play PG in the NBA, as there's no way he'll be able to guard the bigger 2's in this league.

If you wanna say Llull is a combo guard or PG with SG insincts, fine, but please stop spreading this non-sense of Llull being strictly a SG.

The whole time he has been in the Euroleague he played PG one season. That was this year, and he was switched bask to SG for the playoffs. His team already said he would play SG next season. So no, he isn't a PG.

And you say he can't defend at the SG position due to size. Well, he can't defend at the PG position because he is too slow laterally. He already is too slow laterally on defense in Euroleague. And in Europe, there is no such thing as a no hand-check rule, like there is in the NBA.

On the Spanish ACB forums, almost every single poster (people that have actually seen him play) said he wasn't a PG when that subject came up.

[Viljanen]

This is the sort of thing that shows how low Llull's basketball I.Q. is, and why so many people say that he should only be used as a SG. He probably just cost his team a Spanish League championship by making such a stupid decision as that.

To top it off, Llull didn't even try to guard the ball after his missed the shot, and it was his man (Huertas) that hit the game winner. So, the people here that argue that anyone claiming Llull has a low basketball I.Q. is a troll, can see for themselves.

If you say so firmly that taking that shot is a low basketball I.Q decision you might not be best suited to assess other´s basketball I.Qs

His defender was giving him space, if he did as you said, trying to go for the foul he could probably see himself comitting an offensive one and leaving Barcelona the possibility of having the last shot with a pass from out of bounds (much higher % of success).

By making that shot you have 4 options, 1st: you make it and win the game; 2nd: you don´t make it but the rebound goes to one of your teammates so you win the game; 3rd: you don´t make it and the rebound goes to the rival who is forced to take a hero shot from his home and fails; 4th: the same as 3rd but the ball goes in. Just gess the % associated to each and you´ll prove you wrong.

About the rest of the things said, I don´t understand why you say so many lies. Llull is more of a combo guard, that´s true, and I can agree he´s probably more of an undersized SG than a PG in the NBA. But there´s no need to lie saying he´s not the STARTING PG in Real Madrid (he hasn´t lost that spot against S.Rodriguez!) and has been awarded as BEST PG IN ACB THIS YEAR!. Sergio Rodríguez plays a lot of minutes as well, and when both are in the court Llull is the SG.

Spanish NT coach has just said that he´s probably going to play PG for the national team this Olympics (he was playing SG before, as a defensive specialist (he´s one of our best perimeter defenders!):

"Calderón es un fijo y Llull, que en la selección siempre jugó de escolta, podría ir de base: “Hay que tener en cuenta su maduración y su crecimiento como base”, asegura Scariolo. “Además, el tercer base suele ser un especialista. " http://www.marca.com/2012/06/05/balonce ... 1339152938

All this said, you don´t need Llull because you already have Dragic and IMO is better in all categories

[jwise44]

^^^get him

Might be too expensive to keep the dragon, though

[Raptor_Claw]

This is the sort of thing that shows how low Llull's basketball I.Q. is, and why so many people say that he should only be used as a SG. He probably just cost his team a Spanish League championship by making such a stupid decision as that.

To top it off, Llull didn't even try to guard the ball after his missed the shot, and it was his man (Huertas) that hit the game winner. So, the people here that argue that anyone claiming Llull has a low basketball I.Q. is a troll, can see for themselves.

If you say so firmly that taking that shot is a low basketball I.Q decision you might not be best suited to assess other´s basketball I.Qs

His defender was giving him space, if he did as you said, trying to go for the foul he could probably see himself comitting an offensive one and leaving Barcelona the possibility of having the last shot with a pass from out of bounds (much higher % of success).

By making that shot you have 4 options, 1st: you make it and win the game; 2nd: you don´t make it but the rebound goes to one of your teammates so you win the game; 3rd: you don´t make it and the rebound goes to the rival who is forced to take a hero shot from his home and fails; 4th: the same as 3rd but the ball goes in. Just gess the % associated to each and you´ll prove you wrong.

About the rest of the things said, I don´t understand why you say so many lies. Llull is more of a combo guard, that´s true, and I can agree he´s probably more of an undersized SG than a PG in the NBA. But there´s no need to lie saying he´s not the STARTING PG in Real Madrid (he hasn´t lost that spot against S.Rodriguez!) and has been awarded as BEST PG IN ACB THIS YEAR!. Sergio Rodríguez plays a lot of minutes as well, and when both are in the court Llull is the SG.

Spanish NT coach has just said that he´s probably going to play PG for the national team this Olympics (he was playing SG before, as a defensive specialist (he´s one of our best perimeter defenders!):

"Calderón es un fijo y Llull, que en la selección siempre jugó de escolta, podría ir de base: “Hay que tener en cuenta su maduración y su crecimiento como base”, asegura Scariolo. “Además, el tercer base suele ser un especialista. " http://www.marca.com/2012/06/05/balonce ... 1339152938

All this said, you don´t need Llull because you already have Dragic and IMO is better in all categories

So, you just agreed that he isn't a PG, yet called me a liar?

[Viljanen]

So, you just agreed that he isn't a PG, yet called me a liar?

Yes, he might not be a pure PG, but there´s no need to base your argument in false facts. You can say he´s not a pure PG because he´s much more a scorer than a passer, but you can´t say that your opinion is based on this season performance because it´s been from very good to excellent.

He´s been named best PG in ACB 2011/12, he´s been named MVP in Copa del Rey (playing at least 2/3 of it as PG), he´s probably going to win the ACB title this year playing at least 2/3 of the competition as PG and looks he´s going to be the 2nd PG for the national team as a result of his good performance at that position.

I watch NBA quite often and there are many PGs like him in the NBA. I think Llull will have a decent carrer in NBA as a role player, providing intensity from the bench. He´s very competitive, athletic, has very good defensive awarness and aggresiveness. If you could get him for 3M/year he would be an inmediate positive factor for any team.

On the other hand, having Lowry and Dragic (I think both are excellent), I see no place for Sergio there. I highly doubt he would like to go from being so important in Europe to go there and play 5 minutes per game.

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Llull highlights from this past season: http://vimeo.com/44173241

[Raptor_Claw]

Spain's national team coach announced their roster for the 2012 Olympics. Despite much speculation amongst Rockets fans that Sergio Llull would now, "play point guard for Spain, due to Ricky Rubio's injuries", that is not the case.

Llull will once again be Spain's backup SG.