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Post#81 » by LApwnd » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:20 am

philly5 wrote:But if they didn't tank how many of those 5 championships would you wager they would have won?


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Post#82 » by BullyKing » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:58 am

CoolbeansB wrote:WTF happened to this deal??? This would have been better than getting nothing.


It obviously never existed in the first place.
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Post#83 » by baki » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:11 am

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baki wrote:http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/articles/the-myth-of-the-tanking-spurs


Man, how have I never seen THAT article before?


People who keep saying that Spurs were trying to tank for Duncan are just being salty, the article explains it very well without having to repeat myself.
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Post#84 » by F-Stop » Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:10 am

baki wrote:
moofs wrote:
baki wrote:http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/articles/the-myth-of-the-tanking-spurs


Man, how have I never seen THAT article before?


People who keep saying that Spurs were trying to tank for Duncan are just being salty, the article explains it very well without having to repeat myself.


Sorry to tell you this . The Spurs tanked that season.
the article is incorrect.. They held Sean Elliott out on purpose which the article never covered and he was the 2nd best player on the team by far. The writer of the article wrote his opinion and didn't write about the Elliott injury and ability to return.
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Post#85 » by moofs » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:16 am

F-Stop wrote:Sorry to tell you this . The Spurs tanked that season.
the article is incorrect.. They held Sean Elliott out on purpose which the article never covered and he was the 2nd best player on the team by far. The writer of the article wrote his opinion and didn't write about the Elliott injury and ability to return.


Except Elliott wasn't really all that good.
Slightly above average early on in his career, with about 56% TS, but under 50%TS after that, and that's about it (average now is about 54% for SFs, not sure what that was in 1996). Yes I know he had two all star showings, but all stars are mostly opinions and scoring averages, so ok.
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Post#86 » by texasholdem » Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:15 am

moofs wrote:
F-Stop wrote:Sorry to tell you this . The Spurs tanked that season.
the article is incorrect.. They held Sean Elliott out on purpose which the article never covered and he was the 2nd best player on the team by far. The writer of the article wrote his opinion and didn't write about the Elliott injury and ability to return.


Except Elliott wasn't really all that good.
Slightly above average early on in his career, with about 56% TS, but under 50%TS after that, and that's about it (average now is about 54% for SFs, not sure what that was in 1996). Yes I know he had two all star showings, but all stars are mostly opinions and scoring averages, so ok.


He averaged a career high 20ppg the season prior to the tank.
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Post#87 » by baki » Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:44 am

texasholdem wrote:
moofs wrote:
F-Stop wrote:Sorry to tell you this . The Spurs tanked that season.
the article is incorrect.. They held Sean Elliott out on purpose which the article never covered and he was the 2nd best player on the team by far. The writer of the article wrote his opinion and didn't write about the Elliott injury and ability to return.


Except Elliott wasn't really all that good.
Slightly above average early on in his career, with about 56% TS, but under 50%TS after that, and that's about it (average now is about 54% for SFs, not sure what that was in 1996). Yes I know he had two all star showings, but all stars are mostly opinions and scoring averages, so ok.


He averaged a career high 20ppg the season prior to the tank.


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Post#88 » by moofs » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:36 pm

texasholdem wrote:
moofs wrote:Except Elliott wasn't really all that good.
Slightly above average early on in his career, with about 56% TS, but under 50%TS after that, and that's about it (average now is about 54% for SFs, not sure what that was in 1996). Yes I know he had two all star showings, but all stars are mostly opinions and scoring averages, so ok.


He averaged a career high 20ppg the season prior to the tank.


Yeah, I saw that yesterday. On 58.7 TS. He never really got close to that efficiency again though, in spite of hitting 15ppg several times after that. You should know pretty well by now that you won't get me to admit he was any good based on scoring averages. :-)

The point i was trying to get at is that I'd say that the huge career-long drop off in TS at age 26-27 is a good indication that he actually did get a fairly severe injury. I also still think he was pretty overrated during the latter half of his career.

I did enjoy that one playoff game winner of his though.
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Post#89 » by texasholdem » Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:46 pm

I always wonder if we would have won a championship with Elliot instead of Horry/Bullard

I think the Spurs knew Robinson was done for the season and they didn't have a viable PF after Rodman was traded for Will Perdue. They were using Dominique Wilkins for the 4 spot forchrissakes. Tim Duncan and Keith Van Horn were 4 year college players so ensured of being in the draft. Tony Battie was a junior but most likely an early entry. That's 3 very good PF prospects they could get if they tanked.
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Post#90 » by moofs » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:09 pm

texasholdem wrote:I think the Spurs knew Robinson was done for the season and they didn't have a viable PF after Rodman was traded for Will Perdue. They were using Dominique Wilkins for the 4 spot forchrissakes. Tim Duncan and Keith Van Horn were 4 year college players so ensured of being in the draft. Tony Battie was a junior but most likely an early entry. That's 3 very good PF prospects they could get if they tanked.


Yeah, I remember watching Dominique double clutch dunk through the lane during one game from a hunting lease somewheres. I remember thinking "isn't he almost 40? Is this even possible?"

And at the time, Horry was a lot better than Elliott.
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Post#91 » by baki » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:30 pm

Horry had more successs, but he's not better than Elliott.
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Post#92 » by texasholdem » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:35 pm

I bet Morey is going to retire Horry's #25 Jersey when Mavericks are in town.
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Post#93 » by baki » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:44 pm

texasholdem wrote:I always wonder if we would have won a championship with Elliot instead of Horry/Bullard

I think the Spurs knew Robinson was done for the season and they didn't have a viable PF after Rodman was traded for Will Perdue. They were using Dominique Wilkins for the 4 spot forchrissakes. Tim Duncan and Keith Van Horn were 4 year college players so ensured of being in the draft. Tony Battie was a junior but most likely an early entry. That's 3 very good PF prospects they could get if they tanked.


There was no way of knowing who could have turned out a hero or a zero coming from the draft, I thought Van Horn was going to rip the league up but no. Nobody knew if Duncan was going to have an 18 year career or 1 (Oden).

As for Elliott, I think as a better player he would have drawn more defensive attention than Horry (who the hell is Bullard? You mean that commentator?) and probably wouldn't have been free for those 3 pointers. Horry was at best a role player (even he admitted it), sneak dunks and 3 pointers were his thing and it suited Houston fine.
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