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Obviously Bosh is our #1 target but i'm pretty sick of talking about him so i'll attempt to play devil's advocate here.

Amare is better for our team over Bosh and here is why.

1)Amare will likely require less to obtain than Bosh in a S&T. I mean he was thiiiiiis close to being a Houston Rockets this season.

2)Bosh is too much of an isolation scorer. Some Raptors fans on here viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1007960&start=570 commented that Bosh just "iso all the time". Amare, on the other hand, is just an old school finisher at the basket. With our offensive talents on the team (Martin, Brooks, Bud,Yao) do we really want a jumpshooting big who isos all day long at the top of the key? Isn't ball movement the beauty of an Adelman coached team?

3)Amare is a really high percentage scorer. His TS% since 04-05(Note: i'm ommiting the year when he had microfrac surgery) has always exceeded the 60% mark. Bosh has never done that. Not even once in his life. Amare is like Carl Landry on steroid. We all love Landry don't we?

4)Amare, atleast statistically, is every bit the jumpshooter that Bosh is. He just doesn't do it as often. Amare can space the floor for us no problem.

For the last 4 years,
Bosh shot 43%,41%,47%, and 43% from 16-23feet.
Amare shot 48%,48%,46%, and 42% from 16-23feet.

Bosh http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Chris%20Bosh
Amare http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... Stoudemire


Ofcourse, when you're dealing with Amare there is always the Nash factor. How much of Amare's success has to do with Steve Nash feeding him the ball? I'll say its definitely something you have to take into consideration but Nash, great as he is, doesn't make Amare finish at the basket. You either have that ability or you don't otherwise Channing Frye and Boris Diaw would be shooting 55% from the field as well.

imo this team has more than enough offense, doesnt matter that much how the 2nd all star plays like, as long as he's a 20/10ish guy. bosh's defense is wat i really want, if we do trade we're already gonna getta 20ppg player.

roxfashoballin wrote:imo this team has more than enough offense, doesnt matter that much how the 2nd all star plays like, as long as he's a 20/10ish guy. bosh's defense is wat i really want, if we do trade we're already gonna getta 20ppg player.

Chris Bosh is not exactly known for his defense although he is a superior rebounder.

I agree, but I'd like to comment that the increase in his awesome TS% are also attributed with Nash. A lot of players like Diaw, Bell, etc experience career highs in TS% when they play with a point guard of Nash's caliber. Other than that however, I completely agree with your points.

He's also a much better player when playing next to a center that demands attention in the low post, his numbers usually go on an absolute TEAR. He's a better fit next to Yao IMO, offensively both would benefit, but this is IF Yao is healthy all-season long, or unless we can grab a quality center that's a capable defender. The surgery thing is big, but he's bounced back fantastically, and as long as he keeps his goggles on, he's injury free, as he's adjusted his game pretty well.

O Boy! you know I love stats!
My favorite is the difference in GP between the two..


We would be lucky to have Yao, Bosh, Martin play more than 40 games together in a season...

might as well go after dirk
he's perfect playing with yao

Honestly I'm not sure PF should be our main priority.

But obviously if we can acquire players of this caliber, it'd be something we have to do. I definitely see the argument for Amare over Bosh for our team, but I'm not sure I necessarily agree that Amare would be easier in a sign and trade. Keep in mind, Phoenix was also under the notion that Amare would bolt, but with his play after the break, and the way Phoenix is playing (likely going to the WCF), the value for Amare might have risen from the time it was at the trade deadline.

Id be happy with both, but I prefer Bosh.

I think Bosh would actually be a good defender here, despite what his reputation is.

You really have to question Amare's rebounding, especially with them playing in a fast paced system where there are more missed shots.

I worry about about how much effort Amare gives after he is no longer in a contract year.

Bosh. Just because Amare appears to be a knucklehead sometimes, who knows how he'll play without Steve Nash around. Bosh is the ultimate team player.

LarsV8 wrote:Id be happy with both, but I prefer Bosh.

I think Bosh would actually be a good defender here, despite what his reputation is.

You really have to question Amare's rebounding, especially with them playing in a fast paced system where there are more missed shots.

I worry about about how much effort Amare gives after he is no longer in a contract year.

The Knicks will be after him too, but you guys might have a better sales pitch in terms of an opportunity to win. He would complement a healthy Yao better defensively also. Amare is more effective in a running game imo, and his defense is certainly questionable. The only catch is that both are contemplating re-signing.

I think we won't be getting Amare now that the Suns are playing so well. I feel he's going to resign with them.

Its Bosh or bust now.

Whether we get him or not, Stoudemimre would have to be an idiot to resign with a team that's been looking to trade him for 2+ years. He might get more salary (all decreased by 50% taxes + any increase in cost-of-living), but he won't pick where he goes.

Phoenix would likely be stupid, too. They've shopped him so much that they'll never get equal value.

I could see amare being the better fit for you guys. +1 on his jumper being just as good as Bosh. from 15-18 feet hes dead on. With that said, i think phoenix pays up and he re signs with them

The case for Josh Smith? Hes coming off a bad playoff performance so his value is low. His low IQ thing is overblown, no one on his team gave any effort and the they iso'ed their way out of the series. I can see our hustle rubbing off on him.

Aaron Brooks wrote:The case for Josh Smith? Hes coming off a bad playoff performance so his value is low. His low IQ thing is overblown, no one on his team gave any effort and the they iso'ed their way out of the series. I can see our hustle rubbing off on him.

No

I rather Landry than Josh Smith.

Guy986 wrote:

Aaron Brooks wrote:The case for Josh Smith? Hes coming off a bad playoff performance so his value is low. His low IQ thing is overblown, no one on his team gave any effort and the they iso'ed their way out of the series. I can see our hustle rubbing off on him.

No

I rather Landry than Josh Smith.

Eh, maybe Kam would but not me.

Josh Smith is a good player. he's a great passer, defender, above average in rebounds, Freakish athletic ability. I think if Josh Smith plays under Rick Adelman it would be different.

lol Who listens to Mike Woodson?

Bosh is not re-signing with toronto, on his twitter page he took down his home town of toronto and his bio of who he plays with if im not mistaking. He also said he doesnt want to play 2nd fiddle to anyone, so which means hes not going to miami, chicago, or new york if they pick up a max. I think houston has a good shot at him.

Baller 24 wrote:I agree, but I'd like to comment that the increase in his awesome TS% are also attributed with Nash. A lot of players like Diaw, Bell, etc experience career highs in TS% when they play with a point guard of Nash's caliber. Other than that however, I completely agree with your points.

He's also a much better player when playing next to a center that demands attention in the low post, his numbers usually go on an absolute TEAR. He's a better fit next to Yao IMO, offensively both would benefit, but this is IF Yao is healthy all-season long, or unless we can grab a quality center that's a capable defender. The surgery thing is big, but he's bounced back fantastically, and as long as he keeps his goggles on, he's injury free, as he's adjusted his game pretty well.

yeah i also wonder how good amare would be w/o nash, whereas we all know bosh needs nobody to get his pts.

It's very understandable if he leaves. However, there is still a slight chance for him to stay.
If Phoenix is willing to throw in a no trade clause, he'll be a little more reluctant on leaving.

Amare with his No D display in the WCF is in no way over Bosh. Case dismissed.