RealGM

Well he qualifies as a BBG and he's unhappy with the new coach in Utah
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... ith_Corbin

We haven't really traded with Utah in the past but should we try for AJ?
(19.1 ppg, 9.7rpg, 1.9bpg)

Scola + Brad Miller + Orlando's #1 pick for Jefferson?

I guess the bigger question is "has he played in Utah long enough to be forever tainted?".

Ribalding wrote:I guess the bigger question is "has he played in Utah long enough to be forever tainted?".

We've had our share of ex-Jazz players before: Shandon Anderson, Antoine Carr, Scott Padgett, John Amaechi, Kirk Snyder

oh great now people on this board want him?
i brought up the idea to trade for him while he was still in Minnesota
seem like people don't want him
most western team don't like to deal good players to its own conference
(see Melo case, even if our offer is better, they will not trade him to a west team)
judging from our history
only western team willing to deal with us are Memphis, Phoenix, Sacramento, New Orleans, Portland
(you can skip San Antonio, their GM was in the weird mode when he traded Scola)
i was not joking when someone propose a trade and i keep saying the player didn't meet the requirement because he didn't play for any of these team

MaxRider wrote:oh great now people on this board want him?
i brought up the idea to trade for him while he was still in Minnesota
seem like people don't want him

No one thought Minny would trade him for nothing (to a division rival no less)
I've always thought he was a good player.

texasholdem wrote:

MaxRider wrote:oh great now people on this board want him?
i brought up the idea to trade for him while he was still in Minnesota
seem like people don't want him

No one thought Minny would trade him for nothing (to a division rival no less)
I've always thought he was a good player.

why not? they are tanking and try to save money

You are contradicting yourself saying you suggested the Rockets should have tried to trade for him while he was in Minnesota and then saying

most western team don't like to deal good players to its own conference

and also

only western team willing to deal with us are Memphis, Phoenix, Sacramento, New Orleans, Portland (you can skip San Antonio, their GM was in the weird mode when he traded Scola)
i was not joking when someone propose a trade and i keep saying the player didn't meet the requirement because he didn't play for any of these team

Minny is not on your list but yet you proposed a deal with them.
We have traded with the Jazz before. Glen Rice for John Amaechi, although Rice never played for the Jazz and Amaechi never played for the Rockets.

I donno. Al couldn't handle the flex with Sloan, and he's not going to be able to handle being a passing post player in the princeton. This is not a good pairing with the current coaching team.

The Jazz should really go with Millsap, Favors and Jefferson as their starting line up.

As per the wiretap article, Jefferson hasn't muttered a single quote that indicates his displeasure was directed at Corbin at all. No comment implies no comment. Blatant conjecture reported as fact is bad journalism.

Empty stats on a losing team are empty stats on a losing team.

Jefferson is inefficient on offense, plays no defense and doesn't understand the concept of passing. He's also overpaid.

Do not want.

spolgar wrote:I donno. Al couldn't handle the flex with Sloan, and he's not going to be able to handle being a passing post player in the princeton. This is not a good pairing with the current coaching team.

The Jazz should really go with Millsap, Favors and Jefferson as their starting line up.

As per the wiretap article, Jefferson hasn't muttered a single quote that indicates his displeasure was directed at Corbin at all. No comment implies no comment. Blatant conjecture reported as fact is bad journalism.

Corbin sits his best player in the 3rd quarter of a close game and doesn't play him at all in the 4th or overtime and you don't think "no comment" means something else?

well first of all his defense overrated. he's not gonna defend the paint, he's just gonna help. if we get him we definitely still have a need for a rim protector.

i'd rather keep scola and try to get a real bbg

texasholdem wrote:
Corbin sits his best player in the 3rd quarter of a close game and doesn't play him at all in the 4th or overtime and you don't think "no comment" means something else?

I think he just wants to keep his opinions to himself. As per what he is thinking about his coach, I'm not a telepath.

roxfashoballin wrote:well first of all his defense overrated. he's not gonna defend the paint, he's just gonna help. if we get him we definitely still have a need for a rim protector.

i'd rather keep scola and try to get a real bbg

i agree with ur sentiments on al jefferson, he's big and black but not what we need defensively

i like scola, but in a trade that gets us our bbg i'm sure we have to involve one or two of scola, patty p, and hill.................i personally would rather lose scola AND hill than just patty p

roxfashoballin wrote:well first of all his defense overrated. he's not gonna defend the paint, he's just gonna help. if we get him we definitely still have a need for a rim protector.

i'd rather keep scola and try to get a real bbg

Who's a "real" bbg in your opinion (that's possible to get)?

Al defending the paint
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDpTQiDxokg[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=341-Nm5ohaw[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9sNy7Q-c04[/youtube]

Al at center and Chuck at pf would be a nice duo.

if we trade scola we have no reliable post scorer. patterson still needs a couple seasons to even be considered as our post scorer.

i know our chances of contending next season are low but i'd still wanna give it a try. it isnt far fetched to think the rockets can be a playoff team next season, depending on how the off season goes. team can get used to each other more hopefully under rick adelman's system, build more chemistry, then in the 2012 offseason make a big push for a defensive big or superstar, whichever we dont get this offseason (prolly neither ).

spolgar wrote:I donno. Al couldn't handle the flex with Sloan, and he's not going to be able to handle being a passing post player in the princeton. This is not a good pairing with the current coaching team.

The Jazz should really go with Millsap, Favors and Jefferson as their starting line up.

As per the wiretap article, Jefferson hasn't muttered a single quote that indicates his displeasure was directed at Corbin at all. No comment implies no comment. Blatant conjecture reported as fact is bad journalism.

Rick will not be hear next season

Jefferson is just a taller version of Chuck Hayes. Someone who can slow down the guy in front of him but not protect the rim from slashers. He is also better then Scola at both ends and younger. I like Patterson and Jefferson more then Scola and Hayes/???. Outside of Howard how many more rim protecters are out there? And he is not available until the 2012 season.

texasholdem wrote:Who's a "real" bbg in your opinion (that's possible to get)?

off the top of my head here are all the guys i can think of

bynum, perkins, gasol, bogut, howard, noah and sammy d. there's a few more but cant remember them all. some better than others but they're all capable of defending the paint.

it wont be easy to get one. yao was sposed to be our bbg, i'm hoping if he does come back he's good enough for a backup center, but we're gonna need a starting defensive big.

we also need a superstar/all star, who can close games. rockets front office has a lotta work to do to get turn this team into contenders.

roxfashoballin wrote:if we trade scola we have no reliable post scorer.).

Jefferson is a reliable post scorer. He may not be as fancy as Scola but he can get it done. They both shoot 50% from the floor and Jefferson even shoots a little better from the free throw line this year.

Scola FGA/pg = 15.4
Jefferson FGA/pg = 16.3

Scola FTA/pg = 4.1
Jefferson FTA/pg = 3.6

Scola OffRbs/pg = 2.0
Jefferson OffRbs/pg = 2.9

texasholdem wrote:

roxfashoballin wrote:well first of all his defense overrated. he's not gonna defend the paint, he's just gonna help. if we get him we definitely still have a need for a rim protector.

i'd rather keep scola and try to get a real bbg

Who's a "real" bbg in your opinion (that's possible to get)?

Al at center and Chuck at pf would be a nice duo.

Here's some Youtube clips of the Rockets' future Big Black Guy... Nate Robinson.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svsHlH-IvbY[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1VRqmqGfZY[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-9y_Z7jEM[/youtube]

Three Youtube clips do not a Big Black Guy make.

texasholdem wrote:

roxfashoballin wrote:if we trade scola we have no reliable post scorer.).

Jefferson is a reliable post scorer. He may not be as fancy as Scola but he can get it done. They both shoot 50% from the floor and Jefferson even shoots a little better from the free throw line this year.

Scola FGA/pg = 15.4
Jefferson FGA/pg = 16.3

Scola FTA/pg = 4.1
Jefferson FTA/pg = 3.6

Scola OffRbs/pg = 2.0
Jefferson OffRbs/pg = 2.9

he's reliable but how are we gonna afford a superstar/all star AND a starting defensive big with jeffersons contract? jefferson shouldnt the starting defensive big we need. he's not gonna defend the paint that well even with hayes. the defense will be better by default since he's better at defense than scola, but that doesnt mean we're good enough to contend.