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Houston general manager Daryl Morey pursued a trade for Carmelo Anthony, but now that the team has played so well without a big star, owner Leslie Alexander is less willing to make that type of move.

"Definitely, the way our players are playing," Alexander said. "Daryl and I always fight about this. It's all give and take. I think our guys have shown they are capable of winning a championship if we add a couple pieces to them. I don't want to give them away for some other player.

"We are young. (Patrick) Patterson. (Kyle) Lowry's just 24. Chase (Budinger), Courtney (Lee) and Jordan Hill. You can go on and on and on. Chuck Hayes (28) is not that old. Yao (Ming) is only 31. There is no reason he can't have five or six more years."

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Had to make a separate thread for this. Do you guys think we need a superstar or just some more role players/borderline all stars?

If we dont go for a superstar then we only need to find a starting defensive big and a closer who's a legit 1st option. if we can keep two of lowry, scola, martin and some of our other role players who can score. we dont really need a 2nd option.

I definitely wanna keep Rick as the coach. Even if we dont contend next season we could be a legit playoff team. It would give us more time to build chemistry with another new roster under Rick's system. Without a superstar we need some kind of offensive system that doesnt need a 10apg point guard or a dominant score who gets triple teamed. Rick is just the guy for that.

This team isn't a shotblocking big away from contending, unless this shotblocking big is Dwight Howard. And Dwight Howard isn't coming here, unless he gets to play with another superstar.
So yes, we need a superstar.

We need an allstar or two on this team. Someone that will be first team or second team all NBA at his respected position. The two spots that I can see us upgrading is SF and C. Maybe the PG but I want to keep Kyle unless it is someone like Williams.

Besides the 04 Pistons, when was the last time a team won a championship without a legit superstar? If we can get a superstar or potentially draft one them I'm all for it but if anything all this run has proven is that we are a streaky team

a shot blocker AND a 1st scoring option. i'm not sure but all 1st options are superstars?

Then another question is who is available in the next 2 years?

Martin ranks 9 in points per game. Is that not a scoring leader? Kyle would be a good PG to work with Howard. He can penetrate and dish with the best of them. Also good at getting the ball inside. Patterson and/or Scola would also be very good for Howard since they don't need to be in the paint to score and can both rebound. The right coach and CLee and The Dream could maybe get Howard here. New York might not have the cap space if they do they will go after Chris Paul, the Nets are a work in progress have almost nothing, Kobe is getting old, Thunder have Perkins for 4 years on a big deal. What other teams have a superstar?

roxfashoballin wrote:a shot blocker AND a 1st scoring option. i'm not sure but all 1st options are superstars?

one person will solve all the problem

andrew bogut
shot blocker and not a 1st option

MaxRider wrote:

roxfashoballin wrote:a shot blocker AND a 1st scoring option. i'm not sure but all 1st options are superstars?

one person will solve all the problem

andrew bogut
shot blocker and not a 1st option

u misread what i said. first i said "we need a shot blocker and a 1st option" then i said "every 1st option is a superstar right?" .

bogout can be a 2nd option when he's 100% which should sooner than later. but who do we trade? they're stacked at the wings, and we need bigs. we cant trade both scola and pat. and cant leave bogut as our only big capable of any defense so we need to keep hayes.

why is it so **** hard to get things done?

I think it's really not that big of a deal.

You want to be in a position where you're asking yourself whether it's better to keep your (role) players or trade them for a superstar, because it essentially means your players are playing well and most likely have pretty decent value around the league.

You also have to ask yourself what made Alexander to say what he said.
Feigen probably asked him if he'd be hesitant to make a big trade, looking at how well the team has been playing recently and how things in New York and Denver have beeing looking, ever since making the Melo deal.
So yeah, Alexander likes this team and would be hesitant to make a big deal. That's good, but it doesn't mean he's not on board with Morey looking for a superstar.

zapatasblood wrote:Then another question is who is available in the next 2 years?

Martin ranks 9 in points per game. Is that not a scoring leader? Kyle would be a good PG to work with Howard. He can penetrate and dish with the best of them. Also good at getting the ball inside. Patterson and/or Scola would also be very good for Howard since they don't need to be in the paint to score and can both rebound. The right coach and CLee and The Dream could maybe get Howard here. New York might not have the cap space if they do they will go after Chris Paul, the Nets are a work in progress have almost nothing, Kobe is getting old, Thunder have Perkins for 4 years on a big deal. What other teams have a superstar?

Martin is one of the best scorers in the league... for three quarters.
You need a guy who can take over in the fourth quarter.
I love Lowry as much as anybody, but he's not there yet and might not ever get there. Trading Kyle would be very tough, but If you get a chance to get Chris Paul, you pull the trigger.
Yeah, our (role) players would compliment Dwight well, but I'm pretty certain he won't come here unless he gets to play with Chris Paul.
Yeah, he's good friends with Lee, but he's also best friends with Jameer Nelson. Being able to work with Hakeem is nice, but he won't come here just for that.
Those guys want to win more than anything. I doubt a team full of role players will be attractive enough to sway a Dwight Howard.
A team with good role player and Chris Paul on the other hand... Now we're talking.

Not Chris Paul but for Williams. I have heard a lot Paul and that Knee of his to make me think he will be another Roy. He also wears that big ass knee brace that almost looks like my knee brace when I got ACL surgery.
Sure Dwight will want to play next to another superstar but I seems to me that they are already on teams that can not make any more moves. Martin may disappear or rather is inconsistent in the 4th but Kyle is more clutch then people seem to think. I don't think Kyle is as good as your Rose and Williams and never will be but his is in the top ten. We could maybe get a Granger or Iggy this offseason but they are just role players also. The key for the most part of winning Championship is a big man in the middle and a real good guard and several good role players. We have 2 of the 3. The Rockets could very well be his best option but there is still one more season in between and more moves to be made but never say never.

The Nets aren't trading Williams, so you can cross him off the list.

Paul recently took the knee brace off, but his knee is definitley a concern. That's the one thing that gives me pause. I guess it comes to down to benefits versus risk.

I'm confident that our FO will make the right decision though and I'd be more than comfortable with Lowry as our starting PG of the future, so I'm happy either way.

Williams has yet to sign an extension and has said he will wait and see what the Nets do before he does sign one. This coming offseason will let us know what Williams will be doing so he is still available until then.

I'm with Les on this one, Rockets don't need a superstar.

Land a solid defending, 3 point shooting SF and a shot-blocking rebounding big who can clean up on the offensive end in the draft and we are good. Kawhi Leonard from SDSU would be amazing on this team.

Lowry, Martin, Scola, Hayes, Lee, Patterson, Dragic, Bud, Hill.

Team has chemistry, plays hard every night..I don't want to deal that for a Carmelo Anthony type player.

If Kyle Lowry had been starting all season he would be an all-star. Kevin Martin was atop almost everyone's list of all-star snubs. Scola puts up all-star caliber offensive numbers and i'll bet anyone Patrick Patterson will be on several all-star teams.

zapatasblood wrote:Williams has yet to sign an extension and has said he will wait and see what the Nets do before he does sign one. This coming offseason will let us know what Williams will be doing so he is still available until then.

Why would Morey want him?

Kyle plays better D and is averaging over 20ppg since the AB trade and he is under a well under valued contract for the next four seasons.

Please stop with the we need a PG discussion, SG and PF for that matter.

I really only want Iggy at this point. Speaking of Iggy, what happened to Iggyemu?

I never said I was not happy with Lowry and said at the beginning of season he should be the starting PG. I will talk about a position if I choose if said player can improve the team and can be had like Williams. Williams is a better PG (2nd best) and better at defense.

Moreyball wrote:I'm with Les on this one, Rockets don't need a superstar.

Land a solid defending, 3 point shooting SF and a shot-blocking rebounding big who can clean up on the offensive end in the draft and we are good. Kawhi Leonard from SDSU would be amazing on this team.

Lowry, Martin, Scola, Hayes, Lee, Patterson, Dragic, Bud, Hill.

Team has chemistry, plays hard every night..I don't want to deal that for a Carmelo Anthony type player.

If Kyle Lowry had been starting all season he would be an all-star. Kevin Martin was atop almost everyone's list of all-star snubs. Scola puts up all-star caliber offensive numbers and i'll bet anyone Patrick Patterson will be on several all-star teams.

Don't watch a lot of the college game but from what I have read and heard he sounds like another good pick. Also heard that he is one of the main reasons why SDSU was so good and seems to have good character traits

So Les wants to replace Adelman, and hes fine with a team of role players? The reason our role players excel is because of Adelman and his system.

Moreyball wrote:I'm with Les on this one, Rockets don't need a superstar.

Land a solid defending, 3 point shooting SF and a shot-blocking rebounding big who can clean up on the offensive end in the draft and we are good. Kawhi Leonard from SDSU would be amazing on this team.

Lowry, Martin, Scola, Hayes, Lee, Patterson, Dragic, Bud, Hill.

Team has chemistry, plays hard every night..I don't want to deal that for a Carmelo Anthony type player.

If Kyle Lowry had been starting all season he would be an all-star. Kevin Martin was atop almost everyone's list of all-star snubs. Scola puts up all-star caliber offensive numbers and i'll bet anyone Patrick Patterson will be on several all-star teams.

If we're basing this off of your criteria then we don't want kawhi because he's not a shooter. I agree he would be good on this team, but I doubt he develops into an above average shooter in the league. Having said that I see him as a gerald wallace type of player, and we could DEFINITELY use that on our team....

Aaron Brooks wrote:So Les wants to replace Adelman, and hes fine with a team of role players? The reason our role players excel is because of Adelman and his system.

^^^^^ truth.com