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We have two of the NBA's top 5 biggest floppers.

In a recent poll of 152 NBA players conducted by Sports Illustrated, the Cavaliers' Anderson Varajao was selected as the biggest flopper in the league.

The top five was filled out by Manu Ginobilli, Luis Scola, Derek Fisher and Kevin Martin.

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how can AK47 not be on this list?

this is blasphemy.

College Boy wrote:We have two of the NBA's top 5 biggest floppers.

In a recent poll of 152 NBA players conducted by Sports Illustrated, the Cavaliers' Anderson Varajao was selected as the biggest flopper in the league.

The top five was filled out by Manu Ginobilli, Luis Scola, Derek Fisher and Kevin Martin.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... z1ILd1lInm

I can't stand Varejao and Fisher.

YaoZaii wrote:how can AK47 not be on this list?

this is blasphemy.

My thoughts exactly

I'd probably through D-Whistle on that list ahead of Kobe or Pierce

I really hate these lists.

Players have never given the defensive specialist their due. You had the center stalwarts in Mourning/Mutumbo/Ewing/Olajuwon/David Robinson/Oaks, and sometimes you got a few wing defenders in there such as Joe Dumars, Stacey Augmon, Pippen and of course MJ. But you look right in there, and most of those players were offensive juggernauts as well, and if all eyes weren't already on them in the first place, we would probably never know they played good defense.

Now folks are just whiney.

The league took away hand checking. Then they took away the forearm. Then they put in this no charge zone. Systematically the NBA has been moving to a dribble dominated league. You can only stop the dribble drive unlesss you are basically sternum checking your opponent. The only logical response is to make flopping part of a sound defensive scheme.

You see point totals go up, money go up, shooting percentages go up, and yet these drain bramaged wuck-fits are still not giving people their dues. I'd love to see the defensive ratings on those players and I'd be pretty surprised if their tactics weren't positively correlated with the diminished offensive output of the players they are guarding.

^^ i agree that w/ the "all offensive rules" players need to flop. some guys do it too much. i dunno about shane being on that list unless these weak ass grown men pissed they get shutdown whenever they face him.

There is a difference between taking a foul and faking a foul. Taking a foul is when you actually take contact (created or received) and you earn that TO or trip to the KM line. I have no qualms with a good pump fake to get your man in the air and creating contact to get to the line. Reason being, you actually took the contact to earn the call. That's just being a wily player that knows how to manipulate your defender. And if you're a defender that's dumb enough to jump for every ball fake, you deserve to get called for a foul. Play smart defense. Now what I would like to see is the defender to stop trying to pull back in mid air. You're already getting the whistle on you, you might as well make it worth your while. And if you're a smart defender that knows your opponent's next move, and you step in front of him and take a shoulder to the liver, you deserve and earned that charge. And if you're able to get that 2 or 3 times a game, you're a good defender not a flopper. So taking the full force of your opponents momentum right in the chest, or driving fearlessly to the rack only to be pummeled by the opposing big man is commendable and respectable.

However, faking a foul is when you create the illusion of the foul. You cheat the system if you will. That is a were the flopping happens. Let's say a shooter is being forced into a bad shot because his defender doing everything he was supposed to do, and gets blocked. Instead of trying for the loose ball or getting back on D, he'll throw his hands in the air as though there was contact (Kobe). Or sometimes he'll Reggie Miller it and throw his leg out. Other times the defender will shut down the slasher's lane to the basket and force him into the corner. But instead of throwing the ball to the top of the key to reset the play or throw it out of bounds off the defender's body, he'll fall down and act like he was being pushed or pulled to the ground. I like Manu, but he is very big on this.

Kevin, on the other hand, earns the majority of his trips to the line by actually creating contact. He will sell it from time to time, but he earn the majority of them. That's why I can respect him. But people assume that by him taking so many KM's, that automatically makes him a flopper. Call me a homer, but I think Scola's flopper rating is a bit high as well. He sticks his chest in the lane and earns his charges. But then again, I have a biased view.

Taking fouls is real man's work, good defense even (The Chuck Hayes). Faking fouls will eventually bring shame on legacy (Karl Malone who raped a 13 yr old girl while at Louisiana Tech). But I don't blame this on the players. If you can get away with it, do it. Why not? It's the refs fault. They need to be more aware of flopping and the different techniques of the art. I wouldn't even be all the way opposed to creating a flopper's foul.

^agreed. there is a line between taking a foul and faking a foul. Shane Battier is far from a flopper. just because he ends up on the ground a lot, it is a solid collision when he draws charges and nothing even close to the fake contact varejao or ginobili gets.

Can we have a filter put in that replaces every mention of "Karl Malone" with the below?

(Karl Malone who raped a 13 yr old girl while at Louisiana Tech)

Pretty please?

don't take the list too serious
i don't see kirilenko
maybe people forgot he's still in this league

Considering the favoritism that people like Shaq get you have to even the floor a bit.

I once watched him in a game in Sac he was way out of position and trying to guard a guard on the perimeter. The guard easily went around him Shaq's belly hit the guy out of bounds. No call and turnover for the other team.

I also watched him hit Sheldon Williams 3 blatant both arms down in a row on dunks and no calls to keep from being dunked on.

The NBA is ridiculous in its favoritism to big market big men.

Tim Duncan of course wouldn't get the same calls.

Shaq didn't get the same calls in Orlando until he moved to LA.

The NBA is like Vegas or a bank, it is always a stacked deck against you.

I respect for big men who flop.

I agree that taking away the physicality of the game is disappointing. The defensive circle I understand because it has reduced injuries significantly...but hand checking? Get real.

And, as a Jazz fan, I'll agree Andrei should be on their over Martin, but what they have there I pretty much agree with : )