Chuck Hayes appreciation thread

Guy986 · Post #1 » by **Guy986** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 5:48 am

HOUSTON - Free agent forward Chuck Hayes has five teams expressing strong interest in him and his agent told FOX 26 Sports Hayes could be ready to make a decision by the weekend.

"The teams that are involved with Chuck Hayes are the Portland Trailblazers, the Toronto Raptors, the Houston Rockets, the Sacramento Kings and the Minnesota Timberwolves," Calvin Andrews said.

"That's our focus right now."

Andrews said he's had two conversations with Rockets general manager Daryl Morey and is expecting to speak with him again on Thursday.

Andrews said there is no frontrunner at this point, but talks have reached the serious stage.

"I would say we have agreements on ranges with some people," Andrews said.

Free agents cannot sign contracts until Dec. 9.

Andrews was asked what he and his client need to do next.

"Take final offers and make a decision," Andrews said. "I can see us having an idea what he wants to do in the next 48 hours."

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/ ... huck-hayes

Guy986 · Post #2 » by **Guy986** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 5:53 am

I think the Chuckster will either stay or go to Minnesota to reunite with Adelman. If we give him a reasonable market value contract, he'll stay. But knowing Morey it probably won't happen.

Ribalding · Post #3 » by **Ribalding** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 6:27 am

Guy986 wrote:I think the Chuckster will either stay or go to Minnesota to reunite with Adelman. If we give him a reasonable market value contract, he'll stay. But knowing Morey it probably won't happen.

And what IS a reasonable market value contract for an NBA center who can't dunk?

Seriously.

I'm asking.

rocketsballin · Post #4 » by **rocketsballin** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 7:02 am

cmon those teams suck. blazers dealing with injuries, hayes doesnt wanna go through that again. stay with houston.

moofs · Post #5 » by **moofs** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 7:22 am

That question is not applicable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biWPJqauAag

Chuck isn't an elite rebounder, but he IS above average, and plays above average one-on-one and team defense. He's 28, which is starting to get a bit older, so there's that.

I'm guessing Chuck is WORTH 5.5-7.5m for 3-4 years, possibily even more, and even considering his age. Fingers extremely crossed that no one's wised up to that so we can sign him for 3.25m again, but if not, he's more than earned a payday...

Chucky was one of the better PF/Cs in the league last year. Wouldn't it suck if 2 years ago, Scola and Hayes were both significantly above average and signed for 5.5m total, and this year Scola was slightly below average again, signed for 9m, and The Wagon was gone? If we lose Chuck, our loss column is GOING to get bigger. I'm not sure that's a bad thing right now, but still... he and Lowry were the heart of the team last year.

Not sure I like other GMs seeming to figure out a few tricks of talent evaluation...

Kal El · Post #6 » by **Kal El** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 7:51 am

I love chuck. he's not a superstar and won't be the starting center for a championship team but he is the type of player that can make a HUGE impact for a championship team. We can't overpay for chuck as much as i love him. and i really have no clue what his market value is but were rebuilding in houston and the fact of the matter is he is not a player were building around for the future. his age, the situation and circumstances, along with other teams offers have a good chance of preventing chuck from staying in houston.

i want him to retire as a rocket but he probably wants to get as much money as he can, this is going to be his biggest payday of his career, so cash in as much as you can while you can still play. no reason to take a paycut in houston unless we are contenders.

ADoaN17 · Post #7 » by **ADoaN17** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 7:51 am

I think the Kings will offer him the most money because they are looking for veterans, and his defense could really help.

ctorres · Post #8 » by **ctorres** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 8:02 am

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/h ... L1BBWMezVP

As much as the Knicks need a center, they may not get the one they want and already failed with Houston’s 6-foot-6 scrappy rebounder Chuck Hayes.

The Knicks reached out to Hayes’ reps yesterday, but a source said Hayes’ agent rebuffed a one-year deal at the full $5 million mid-level the Knicks have to offer.

“A lot of guys the Knicks want are two-year-deal guys,’’ one source said. “It will be tough.’’

Guy986 · Post #9 » by **Guy986** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 8:26 am

Ribalding wrote:
Guy986 wrote:I think the Chuckster will either stay or go to Minnesota to reunite with Adelman. If we give him a reasonable market value contract, he'll stay. But knowing Morey it probably won't happen.

And what IS a reasonable market value contract for an NBA center who can't dunk?

Seriously.

I'm asking.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biWPJqauAag[/youtube]

Air Chuckwagon would like to have a word with you.

Guy986 · Post #10 » by **Guy986** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 8:32 am

moofs wrote:That question is not applicable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biWPJqauAag

Chuck isn't an elite rebounder, but he IS above average, and plays above average one-on-one and team defense. He's 28, which is starting to get a bit older, so there's that.

I'm guessing Chuck is WORTH 5.5-7.5m for 3-4 years, possibily even more, and even considering his age. Fingers extremely crossed that no one's wised up to that so we can sign him for 3.25m again, but if not, he's more than earned a payday...

Chucky was one of the better PF/Cs in the league last year. Wouldn't it suck if 2 years ago, Scola and Hayes were both significantly above average and signed for 5.5m total, and this year Scola was slightly below average again, signed for 9m, and The Wagon was gone? If we lose Chuck, our loss column is GOING to get bigger. I'm not sure that's a bad thing right now, but still... he and Lowry were the heart of the team last year.

Not sure I like other GMs seeming to figure out a few tricks of talent evaluation...

I dont blame Chuck for trying to get the most money possible. He has been criminally underpaid the past 2, 3 seasons. As far as NBA players go, He's been working under the equivalent of minimum wage.

I agree not having Chuck is going to hurt us big time. My opinion is that him and Lowry were the two most impactful players on the team last years. We will be hard pressed to duplicate last year's success(if you can call .500 a success) without the Chuckster.

If we dont sign of one Nene or Gasol, i sincerely hope we bring out the full tank this season. Mediocrity sucks.

Post #11 » by **Mr. E** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 4:35 pm

Checking the reaction on the Knicks board was good for laughs. :lol:

I think that it will come down to Houston or Minnesota. Those are the two situations that would appreciate him the best.

spolgar · Post #12 » by **spolgar** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 4:42 pm

I think no matter what happens, we sign. We sign and keep or we sign and trade, but we sign.

Sign and Hayes gets his bird rights and longevity of contract. I'd say he would go for that. Sign and trade for someone else could trade away our log jam, which is not a bad thing. Sign and keep and we at least hold pat from last year. If anything, San Antonio got worse, and Dallas is about to lose a lot of folks to free agency. New Orleans is going to probably get worse, especially if Chris Paul gets his wish and goes to NY. If Chris Paul leaves, David West will also leave town if he wants to win.

Memphis could possibly become the juggernaut of the Southwest division. So long as we stay the same and let father time and big apple lust respectively work their magic, holding pat would mean our standings improve. With any luck, we'll get 50 games and go to the playoffs.

Post #13 » by **dream34** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 9:36 pm

moofs wrote:That question is not applicable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biWPJqauAag

Chuck isn't an elite rebounder, but he IS above average, and plays above average one-on-one and team defense. He's 28, which is starting to get a bit older, so there's that.

I'm guessing Chuck is WORTH 5.5-7.5m for 3-4 years, possibily even more, and even considering his age. Fingers extremely crossed that no one's wised up to that so we can sign him for 3.25m again, but if not, he's more than earned a payday...

Chucky was one of the better PF/Cs in the league last year. Wouldn't it suck if 2 years ago, Scola and Hayes were both significantly above average and signed for 5.5m total, and this year Scola was slightly below average again, signed for 9m, and The Wagon was gone? If we lose Chuck, our loss column is GOING to get bigger. I'm not sure that's a bad thing right now, but still... he and Lowry were the heart of the team last year.

Not sure I like other GMs seeming to figure out a few tricks of talent evaluation...

Chuck probably is an elite rebounder. The guy had to play center last year, where the opponent has like 6 inches of height on him. He still was top 15 in rebounds per minute. He's incredibly smart about everything. You know that though.

His age isn't a big factor, I don't think. He doesn't rely too much on athleticism, mostly just strength and basketball IQ, so he should decline more gracefully than others. I just wish the best for Chuck, if someone will pay him, please take it. You earned it. If a contender wants you, go there, win a ring. I kind of feel bad for him if that's his legit list of suitors.

Post #14 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 10:03 pm

I thought the Celtics would be/or, are one of the potential suitors? I LOVE Hayes, he's a top flight post man defender in the league, a solid rebounder (16.3 TRB%, roughly in line w/ guys like Gasol, Horford, etc.), with an underrated offensive game in terms of playing the pick and roll, outlet passing, movement, etc. I'd love for him to return, but if there's an opportunity with good money, and winning (though the options don't really represent championship contenders either), then I'd wish him the best of luck wherever he goes.

Post #15 » by **jwise44** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 10:58 pm

i want him back, he's my favorite rocket since hakeem :cry:

if he goes i hope he gets paid though and i will always root for him no matter what

i just pray he never plays for the jazz lakers spurs mavs or heat...that would break my heart

rocketsballin · Post #16 » by **rocketsballin** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 11:21 pm

ahh i was selfish with my first post in here. i defintely want him back, as you can see in my signature. but he deserves to be on a contender at this stage in his career. he's not that old, and not much for athleticism, so he'll be pretty daam good in his mid 30s for sure. but until then, he's good enough for 25-30min on a contender.

its bittersweet that only those teams show interest in him. prolly wont be that hard to re-sign him, but he'll have to wait for a shot at the title.

also he's shown a bit of an attitude last season, i dont remember him getting into it with anyone before. it's alwaays nice to have a guy who would rip someone's head off on your team

. that would make me feel safe if i was in the nba

rocketsballin · Post #17 » by **rocketsballin** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 11:28 pm

good news, just saw this on clutchboards
Hayes prefers to remain with Rockets

Kal El · Post #18 » by **Kal El** » Sat Dec 3, 2011 12:12 am

well i don't question his loyalty to houston. i just thought at this stage of his career he would want to get as much money as he can but i also wouldn't want houston to overpay him. But that's great news if he stays with houston. as i said i would love for him to retire as a rocket.

TheMan44 · Post #19 » by **TheMan44** » Mon Dec 5, 2011 5:40 am

Chuck better come back....But who knows, don't know if Morey will dish out the money for him cause I think Chuck is asking for a large payload.

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

If not, Rox got a lot of bigs regardless.

moofs · Post #20 » by **moofs** » Mon Dec 5, 2011 6:13 pm

dream34 wrote:
moofs wrote:Chuck isn't an elite rebounder, but he IS above average, and plays above average one-on-one and team defense. He's 28, which is starting to get a bit older, so there's that.

Chuck probably is an elite rebounder. The guy had to play center last year, where the opponent has like 6 inches of height on him. He still was top 15 in rebounds per minute. He's incredibly smart about everything. You know that though.

His age isn't a big factor, I don't think. He doesn't rely too much on athleticism, mostly just strength and basketball IQ, so he should decline more gracefully than others. I just wish the best for Chuck, if someone will pay him, please take it. You earned it. If a contender wants you, go there, win a ring. I kind of feel bad for him if that's his legit list of suitors.

Chuck does have a career per-36 rebound rate of over 10, but imo, that's just above average. Elite, to me, is like 12-14. Super-elite (or whatever term you want to narrow the focus with) is 14-20 (Needless to say, I would really like having Kevin Love on the team.). [edit: typical moofs... quibbling over terms

]

Chuck's big advantage through his career has been that while he's above average on rebounding, he's VERY below average with regard to pay, which has made him an extremely valuable player in the past. Had anyone else in the league recognized this instead of stupidly scoffing at his 6-6ishness, he'd have made an incredible trade asset. He'd also have made a great free agent prior to his starting-stint last season, however, so good for us that no one saw it sooner, I suppose...

Now, in honor of the lockout of the last several months, let's flip that.
"Outstanding Value" from the owner's perspective is equivalent to "you're underpaying me for what i'm producing for you greedy sons of bitches, and you either know it or you're stupid" from the players' perspective.
Ah, labor.

(if we could get Love, and keep Chuck for cheap, and keep Lowry, we'd be a 55+ win team next year.)