Lakers and Rockets deal

LakerEric · Post #1 » by **LakerEric** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:01 am

I still think the Lakers and Rockets could make a deal for Gasol, giving the Rockets a center with Patterson or Morris at PF. I wanted your insight as to this deal:

Rockets deal Lowry and Scola to the Lakers for Gasol and a number one in 2012. Basically, you are getting back two number ones from the first deal you made and also keeping Martin. The obvious difference is the substitution of Lowry for Dragic. Please let me know what you think. Thanks.

Teckon · Post #2 » by **Teckon** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:49 am

LakerEric wrote:I still think the Lakers and Rockets could make a deal for Gasol, giving the Rockets a center with Patterson or Morris at PF. I wanted your insight as to this deal:

Rockets deal Lowry and Scola to the Lakers for Gasol and a number one in 2012. Basically, you are getting back two number ones from the first deal you made and also keeping Martin. The obvious difference is the substitution of Lowry for Dragic. Please let me know what you think. Thanks.

The Rocket Management see higher value in Lowry than Martin. But LA throwing a the Mavs pick and Rockets keeping the Knick pick may add some balance to the trade. The issue is the original trade with Scola and Martin provide additional cap space for Rockets to sign either Nene or Marc Gasol (bigger offer than 58 million). Now they had signed with other teams, there is less motivation to do such trade.

texasholdem · Post #3 » by **texasholdem** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:45 am

How about some much needed youth for the Lakers instead?

Gasol, Artest, 1st rounder to Rockets

Jonny Flynn, Courtney Lee, Patrick Patterson, Jordan Hill, Hasheem Thabeet, Terrence Williams and Marqus Blakely to the Lakers

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7rrgc7g

Rockets (* free agent signings)
F: Ron Artest, Marcus Morris
F: Luis Scola, Carl Landry* or Jason Smith*
C: Pau Gasol, Kyrylo Fesenko*, Marcus Cousin
G: Kyle Lowry, Goran Dragic, Ish Smith*
G: Kevin Martin, Chase Budinger, Jeremy Lin

Lakers
F: Matt Barnes, Terrence Williams, Luke Walton, Jason Kapono
F: Patrick Patterson, Josh McRoberts, Derrick Caracter
C: Andrew Bynum, Jordan Hill, Hasheem Thabeet
G: Jonny Flynn, Derek Fisher, Steve Blake
G: Kobe Bryant, Courtney Lee

H-town · Post #4 » by **H-town** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:16 am

Lowry is untouchable for a Gasol deal.

YoungMoney23 · Post #5 » by **YoungMoney23** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:47 am

Artest has absolutely no value any more and I doubt our management want him back

moofs · Post #6 » by **moofs** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:56 pm

No value? Of course there's value! Who WOULDN'T want to buy World Peace?

rocketseagles07 · Post #7 » by **rocketseagles07** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:29 pm

First of all we want to keep Lowry and why would the lakers downgrade at the pf position for a starting PG who is not a star?

LakerEric · Post #8 » by **LakerEric** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:54 pm

rocketseagles07 wrote:First of all we want to keep Lowry and why would the lakers downgrade at the pf position for a starting PG who is not a star?

[quote="rocketseagles07"]

Well, Lowry is a massive upgrade at PG. Scola is less of a dowgrade at the PF than Lowry is an upgrade at the PG. Plus, Lakers get younger and open the middle a bit more for Bynum. The question is does Houston value Lowry too much to do it. Or do they like Dragic enough to risk trading a solid PG but one that will never, as you said, be a star.

texasholdem · Post #9 » by **texasholdem** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:48 pm

He said Lowry is not a star not never will be a star.
It would be tough for Rockets fans to lose Hayes, Scola and Lowry in the same offseason.
Gasol has said he doesn't want to be here anyway.

Post #10 » by **Mr. E** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:54 pm

As has been mentioned already, the point of trying to get Gasol would have been to pair him with his brother or Nene. Since that can't happen now there is no point in making that trade (especially sending Lowry out).

texasholdem...oy vey! You really want to trade everything we have, don't you??? :lol:

texasholdem · Post #11 » by **texasholdem** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:16 pm

Mr. E wrote:As has been mentioned already, the point of trying to get Gasol would have been to pair him with his brother or Nene. Since that can't happen now there is no point in making that trade (especially sending Lowry out).

texasholdem...oy vey! You really want to trade everything we have, don't you???

I don't want to trade Lowry. I think a Scola/Gasol frontline would work well together actually.

Whoever said Ron Artest has no value anymore...the Lakers wouldn't have beaten the Celtics in 2010 without him [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-mT99HCFFI[/youtube]

Kal El · Post #12 » by **Kal El** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:02 pm

moofs wrote:No value? Of course there's value! Who WOULDN'T want to buy World Peace?

nice

BSardogan · Post #13 » by **BSardogan** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:34 pm

texasholdem wrote:
Mr. E wrote:As has been mentioned already, the point of trying to get Gasol would have been to pair him with his brother or Nene. Since that can't happen now there is no point in making that trade (especially sending Lowry out).

texasholdem...oy vey! You really want to trade everything we have, don't you???

I don't want to trade Lowry. I think a Scola/Gasol frontline would work well together actually.

Whoever said Ron Artest has no value anymore...the Lakers wouldn't have beaten the Celtics in 2010 without him [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-mT99HCFFI[/youtube]

If that's your strongest argument, a random clutch three he made over 1.5 years ago, even Zydrunas Ilgauskas would have a positive trading value.

Post #14 » by **jwise44** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:56 pm

Mwp is a myth now. Even a few years ago with us he was overrated he's slower and his man d has been steadily declining... He still has some good defensive performances but it isn't even close to an every night occurrence. And he's still an idiot

Post #15 » by **jwise44** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:57 pm

O and as to the ops trade hell no! It won't help us now and we won't give up Lowry. Best to trade Kmart and Scola for picks and youth in my opinion

texasholdem · Post #16 » by **texasholdem** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:22 pm

BSardogan wrote:
texasholdem wrote:
Mr. E wrote:As has been mentioned already, the point of trying to get Gasol would have been to pair him with his brother or Nene. Since that can't happen now there is no point in making that trade (especially sending Lowry out).

texasholdem...oy vey! You really want to trade everything we have, don't you???

I don't want to trade Lowry. I think a Scola/Gasol frontline would work well together actually.

Whoever said Ron Artest has no value anymore...the Lakers wouldn't have beaten the Celtics in 2010 without him [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-mT99HCFFI[/youtube]

If that's your strongest argument, a random clutch three he made over 1.5 years ago, even Zydrunas Ilgauskas would have a positive trading value.

Random? that 3 was in the final minute of Game 7 of an NBA Finals. in a game where Kobe shot 6 for 24. He also hit another clutch 3 vs Phoenix that playoff run. He's not the player he once was but he is still a starting caliber SF.

moofs · Post #17 » by **moofs** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:34 pm

I love that basketball reference updated his name http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... sro01.html

He's decidedly average, but average is usually good enough to start.
Hard to believe given his .400fg%, but he rebounds pretty well and thiefs like a madman on crazy pills.

kam_soluusar · Post #18 » by **kam_soluusar** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:13 pm

We can't upgrade if we are going to suck this year. I hear tha Bonzi Wells is signing a non-guaranteed deal with Minnesota.

Bring back the Bozo.

In other news Landry has re-signed with NO. So my dreams of a Rockets return are , well, ruined.

2011-2012 the time to do a Botched Apollo mission. (We explode spectacularly, clean up the debris, and start over!)

Martin and Scola will probably get traded at the deadline. When contenders are looking for that extra bit of firepower to push them over the bubble.

Joseph17 · Post #19 » by **Joseph17** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:26 am

LakerEric wrote:I still think the Lakers and Rockets could make a deal for Gasol, giving the Rockets a center with Patterson or Morris at PF. I wanted your insight as to this deal:

Rockets deal Lowry and Scola to the Lakers for Gasol and a number one in 2012. Basically, you are getting back two number ones from the first deal you made and also keeping Martin. The obvious difference is the substitution of Lowry for Dragic. Please let me know what you think. Thanks.

If the Rockets want Gasol that badly they should just offer Kev and Scola for him. I think that trade would make the Lakers a more complete team because Scola would go to his natural position (I know that he played pf here, but he was next to Chuck) and they could start Martin instead of Fisher.

YoungMoney23 · Post #20 » by **YoungMoney23** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:31 pm

Joseph17 wrote:
LakerEric wrote:I still think the Lakers and Rockets could make a deal for Gasol, giving the Rockets a center with Patterson or Morris at PF. I wanted your insight as to this deal:

Rockets deal Lowry and Scola to the Lakers for Gasol and a number one in 2012. Basically, you are getting back two number ones from the first deal you made and also keeping Martin. The obvious difference is the substitution of Lowry for Dragic. Please let me know what you think. Thanks.

If the Rockets want Gasol that badly they should just offer Kev and Scola for him. I think that trade would make the Lakers a more complete team because Scola would go to his natural position (I know that he played pf here, but he was next to Chuck) and they could start Martin instead of Fisher.

Start Martin instead of Fisher? Even at his current age Fisher is probably still better defensively than Martin. Who would start at the point then? Kobe? Greatness aside, He's way too selfish to play point guard. It's bad enough watching games where he shoots the lakers out of the game when he has an off night, this would just give him an excuse to do it more often...