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The cost of Dwight Howard 

Post#1 » by Mr. E » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:39 am

How much should the Rockets give up for Dwight Howard knowing that he could leave after this season?

I came up with this trade:

Lowry, Martin, Dalembert, Patterson and any combo of picks (2012 14 and/or 16, or one of those and a future first, and the rights to the Mavs pick) for Dwight & Hedo.

We could end up with a roster of

Dragic/
Lee/
Parsons/Budinger/Hedo
Scola/Motiejunas
Dwight/Camby

Is that too much for Dwight? Not enough?

Is there a better package we could offer?

Lowry is pretty much a given in a Dwight trade.

Martin gives them a 12M expiring contract after this season.

Dally could be instant savings.

Patterson is young, cheap and skilled.

Don't know if they'd be interested in Scola after trading Dwight.


We know that Morey will be shopping a deal with Orlando - what could it be?
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Re: The cost of Dwight Howard 

Post#2 » by rocketsballin » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:07 am

yall still talking about dwight howard? shhiiiiii, i hopped off that bandwagon. i dont care how big and black he is. there's been way too much flip flopping from him and his "sources"
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Re: The cost of Dwight Howard 

Post#3 » by inquisitive » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:33 am

Mr. E wrote:How much should the Rockets give up for Dwight Howard knowing that he could leave after this season?

I came up with this trade:

Lowry, Martin, Dalembert, Patterson and any combo of picks (2012 14 and/or 16, or one of those and a future first, and the rights to the Mavs pick) for Dwight & Hedo.

We could end up with a roster of

Dragic/
Lee/
Parsons/Budinger/Hedo
Scola/Motiejunas
Dwight/Camby

Is that too much for Dwight? Not enough?

Is there a better package we could offer?

Lowry is pretty much a given in a Dwight trade.

Martin gives them a 12M expiring contract after this season.

Dally could be instant savings.

Patterson is young, cheap and skilled.

Don't know if they'd be interested in Scola after trading Dwight.


We know that Morey will be shopping a deal with Orlando - what could it be?


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Re: The cost of Dwight Howard 

Post#4 » by MaxRider » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:30 am

don't want him
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Post#5 » by rocketsballin » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:46 am

i gotta stop being lazy and post my offseason wish in the offseaosn thread. make this team a 2nd round playoff team. get more recognition, make some noise, eventually lead to big free agents. this micromanage moneyball crap only works if you want the 14th pick in the draft lol
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Re: The cost of Dwight Howard 

Post#6 » by moofs » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:02 am

Mr. E wrote:Lowry, Martin, Dalembert, Patterson and any combo of picks (2012 14 and/or 16, or one of those and a future first, and the rights to the Mavs pick) for Dwight & Hedo.


Mmmm, at first look I'm pretty sure I could live with that.
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Re: The cost of Dwight Howard 

Post#7 » by texasholdem » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:04 am

3 first round draft picks is too much considering we have to take Hedo for 2 years
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Re: The cost of Dwight Howard 

Post#8 » by zapatasblood » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:51 am

I like! One year of fun and then a true rebuild after he leaves
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Re: The cost of Dwight Howard 

Post#9 » by MaxRider » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:31 am

zapatasblood wrote:I like! One year of fun and then a true rebuild after he leaves

can't rebuild right away if he put us in the playoff for one year
one good thing is ... at least it wont be 14th pick again
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Re: The cost of Dwight Howard 

Post#10 » by x- » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:01 pm

Need to avoid Hedo or any other toxic contracts, if possible at all.

Dead money very well could end up being the difference between retaining and not retaining Howard.
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Post#11 » by texasholdem » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:44 pm

x- wrote:Need to avoid Hedo or any other toxic contracts, if possible at all.



not possible unless ORL gets an All-Star in return.
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Re: The cost of Dwight Howard 

Post#12 » by x- » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:48 pm

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x- wrote:Need to avoid Hedo or any other toxic contracts, if possible at all.



not possible unless ORL gets an All-Star in return.


Well that's your opinion. There just isn't anything out there that's clearly better than what the Rockets would offer. You just have to give up more additional assets to avoid taking on Hedo. I think it can be done.
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Post#13 » by xpmar9x » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:29 pm

Hey guys - Bulls fan here. Just was curious about the Rockets and DH12 (then possibly Deron). Here's what I posted in the trade forum:

TBH, I see Houston as the team willing to make a run at DH12.

Orlando could get Lowry, Patterson, #14, and #16.. basically a young PG, PF, and two picks. Solid core to build from. It's likely that Jameer would not pickup his option, going to a team with more playing time (although if he wants pure money he'll stay). If he leaves, theres an extra ~8M. Could ORL convince a switch of KMART for Turk?

Lowry, Patterson, KMART, #14, Dalembert for DH12 and Turk

Leaves ORL as
Lowry - Duhon
Kmart- JRich
#14 - Q
Patterson - Davis
Dalembert - #19 (Sullinger/Melo)

Leaves HOU as
[Dragic or Dwill]
Lee - #16
Turk - Parsons
Scola - Morris
DH12

Not a terrible team ever. If Hou can land DH12, and still have max money to offer at DWILL they should. DWill has been rumored about the Mavs, and returning to Dallas. Well Houston is only 4 hours away, and he'd get to play with dh12.. plus would have young talent like Lee, #16, Parsons, Morris to build a team for the future as well.


Those are the two trades i'd offer as the GM of Houston.
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Re: The cost of Dwight Howard 

Post#14 » by MaxRider » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:26 pm

texasholdem wrote:
x- wrote:Need to avoid Hedo or any other toxic contracts, if possible at all.



not possible unless ORL gets an All-Star in return.

you think dwight howard want to go to that team if the team traded their all-star to orlando?
at the end of the day if orlando want to get something it will be draft pick and salary relief
team is willing to take bad contract and gave away picks if howard sign the extension
if not, i doubt team will give away too many 1st round draft pick or/and young players
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Re: The cost of Dwight Howard 

Post#15 » by MaxRider » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:28 pm

xpmar9x wrote:Hey guys - Bulls fan here. Just was curious about the Rockets and DH12 (then possibly Deron). Here's what I posted in the trade forum:

TBH, I see Houston as the team willing to make a run at DH12.

Orlando could get Lowry, Patterson, #14, and #16.. basically a young PG, PF, and two picks. Solid core to build from. It's likely that Jameer would not pickup his option, going to a team with more playing time (although if he wants pure money he'll stay). If he leaves, theres an extra ~8M. Could ORL convince a switch of KMART for Turk?

Lowry, Patterson, KMART, #14, Dalembert for DH12 and Turk

Leaves ORL as
Lowry - Duhon
Kmart- JRich
#14 - Q
Patterson - Davis
Dalembert - #19 (Sullinger/Melo)

Leaves HOU as
[Dragic or Dwill]
Lee - #16
Turk - Parsons
Scola - Morris
DH12

Not a terrible team ever. If Hou can land DH12, and still have max money to offer at DWILL they should. DWill has been rumored about the Mavs, and returning to Dallas. Well Houston is only 4 hours away, and he'd get to play with dh12.. plus would have young talent like Lee, #16, Parsons, Morris to build a team for the future as well.


Those are the two trades i'd offer as the GM of Houston.

can't offer dwill max money if we are re-signing lee
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Re: The cost of Dwight Howard 

Post#16 » by zapatasblood » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:32 pm

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Post#17 » by LarsV8 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:04 pm

The Rockets may be willing to trade for Howard without guarantee of an extension but that doesn't mean they aren't going to do thier best to keep him here. So trading "anything" is out the window, because we must give Howard what he wants. I personally believe, with my very limited knowledge of how the organization operates, any trade would follow the following guidelines:

1.) The Rockets absolutely must retain the flexibility to have max money to sign Deron Williams, which means JRich or Turk will NOT be apart of the deal. Duhon is a bad contract which we could possibly aborb, especially since a backup PG will be needed, but I find it highly unlikely we can take on Turk and still field a competitive team.

2.) The Rockets cannot offer a draft pick for the year after Dwight may potentially leave. Mavs picks, this years picks, all open game, but we are gambling on him staying, if he doesn't we will suck badly the year after, and we have to keep that pick.

3.) C. Lee must stay. They are friends, he is part of the appeal to keep Howard here.

4.) The Rockets must atleast field a title contender for one year.

Heres how I would personally play it:

Lowry/Dalembert/Morris/#16/#14/Mavs pick for Howard/Duhon on draft day or before free agency starts.

Orlando gets three prospects and Lowry who could be moved for another pick to start thier rebuilding process. They also dump Duhon's deal.

Amnesty Scola and enter free agency.

This should give us enough free agency money to offer Deron a max deal. Let Dragic walk (or SnT). Resign Camby and Lee.

Swap Martin for Iguodala. This leaves you with this lineup:

Dwill / Duhon
Lee / Budinger
Iggy / Parsons
Patterson / Montejounas
Howard / Camby

This team is a defensive juggernaut with depth at every position. The team is complete with star power, perimeter defense, post defense, outside shootng, post play, athleticism, PnR defense, literally everything. The only real weakness is backup PG, but the NBA is loaded with talent at the position.

I think this is feasable, but trading for Dwight before free agency begins is a MUST.
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Post#18 » by x- » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:22 pm

Totally agree with Lars. Have been saying so for quite some time.

I do think -- that while there certainly isn't a great market for Scola out there -- we still could trade him, if necessary, to a team like the Kings for a second rounder or two. Worst case scenario you trade him for a top-55 protected 2nd.

I also think that while we might be willing to take on Duhon there's no way he'd be our backup. Duhon is one of the worst players in the whole league. You should be able to find somebody, ANYBODY in the second round or free agency (undrafted rookies, cheap vets, dudes who played in Europe or the D-League) who's better than Chris freaking Duhon.
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Post#19 » by LarsV8 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:47 pm

I tried to find a way to get Scola to Atlanta for Smith, whom I don't particularly care for, but I know him and Dwight are childhood friends. The problem is the salary, and we run out of "assets" to sweeten with.

Another side comment is what a SnT of Dragic can bring back. Morrow in NJ is another guy Dwight has commented on as a guy he would like to play with.

I agree with Duhon, Llull is always an option, as are Boykins, Fortson, Conroy, Ish, etc.
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Post#20 » by inquisitive » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:34 pm

LarsV8 wrote:The Rockets may be willing to trade for Howard without guarantee of an extension but that doesn't mean they aren't going to do thier best to keep him here. So trading "anything" is out the window, because we must give Howard what he wants. I personally believe, with my very limited knowledge of how the organization operates, any trade would follow the following guidelines:

1.) The Rockets absolutely must retain the flexibility to have max money to sign Deron Williams, which means JRich or Turk will NOT be apart of the deal. Duhon is a bad contract which we could possibly aborb, especially since a backup PG will be needed, but I find it highly unlikely we can take on Turk and still field a competitive team.

2.) The Rockets cannot offer a draft pick for the year after Dwight may potentially leave. Mavs picks, this years picks, all open game, but we are gambling on him staying, if he doesn't we will suck badly the year after, and we have to keep that pick.

3.) C. Lee must stay. They are friends, he is part of the appeal to keep Howard here.

4.) The Rockets must atleast field a title contender for one year.

Heres how I would personally play it:

Lowry/Dalembert/Morris/#16/#14/Mavs pick for Howard/Duhon on draft day or before free agency starts.

Orlando gets three prospects and Lowry who could be moved for another pick to start thier rebuilding process. They also dump Duhon's deal.

Amnesty Scola and enter free agency.

This should give us enough free agency money to offer Deron a max deal. Let Dragic walk (or SnT). Resign Camby and Lee.

Swap Martin for Iguodala. This leaves you with this lineup:

Dwill / Duhon
Lee / Budinger
Iggy / Parsons
Patterson / Montejounas
Howard / Camby

This team is a defensive juggernaut with depth at every position. The team is complete with star power, perimeter defense, post defense, outside shootng, post play, athleticism, PnR defense, literally everything. The only real weakness is backup PG, but the NBA is loaded with talent at the position.

I think this is feasable, but trading for Dwight before free agency begins is a MUST.


I like your thinking there about getting Howard with players that he likes or knows. I do think we could find a way to trade Scola for cheap deals or expiring deals or picks or at least get something for him. I really think alot of teams out there would love to have Scola...he can post up down low and also has a good jumper.
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