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ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:49 pm
by MKL
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/99016 ... ning-nightBeverley, who spent parts of five years playing overseas before joining Houston last season, outplayed Lin throughout the preseason, drawing rave reviews from Rockets coaches and the local media.
McHale, who proclaimed during the preseason that Houston has "two starting point guards," has said he would not disclose his opening-night starting lineup until Wednesday evening, hours before the Rockets play the Charlotte Bobcats.
"I haven't had the fortune to play in the NBA on opening night," Beverley said, according to the Chronicle. "This will be my first one. I am definitely excited."
Lin said earlier this week that he "would love to start" but that he will accept a lesser role.
Lin and Beverley were on different trajectories last season.
After averaging 13.4 points, 6.1 assists and 3.0 rebounds per game in the regular season, Lin slumped to 4.0 points, 2.0 assists and 2.0 rebounds in the playoffs. Beverley went from 5.6 points, 2.7 rebounds and 2.9 assists in the regular season to 11.8 points, 5.5 rebounds and 2.8 assists in the postseason.
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:56 pm
by MKL
The "better fit" narrative died. It's now full blown "Beverley beat Lin" narrative from every sports media.
Thank you McHale for undermining your players.
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:03 pm
by zapatasblood
Did not watch much of the preseason but saw Lin losing his starting job at somepoint in time last year. Not sure how this is Mchale fault when Bev outplayed Lin but not sure if that is true since I really did not care about the preseason.
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:10 pm
by Nebula1
I'm really glad for Beverly, but the real problem is lost trade value for Lin. With reduced time/role will come reduced trade value and his contract is sizable.
At least this way all pressure is off Lin and he can just play and set up his guys for easy buckets.
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:12 pm
by MKL
McHale's fault because he let the media take control of the narrative.
McHale could easily just say that Lin is needed on the bench, or even better yet that Beverley is better.
Instead he make up some mock contest with preseason performance on who will start the regular season.
McHale was scared after the Philippines game, it made him look like the bad guy. It resulted in Parsons having to "leak" the starting line up.
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:16 pm
by MaxRider
it is Rockets staring PG curse
aaargh!!!!!!!!!!!!
first Brooks beat Alston
then Lowry beat Brooks
then Dragic beat Lowry
then Lin beat Dragic (Lin was the 3rd PG in preseason)
and now Beverley beat Lin
who will be next?
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:17 pm
by Zubby
MKL maybe you should take a break from basketball for a while... this obsession with McHale can't be healthy.
Bev and Lin both played well I suppose.
But imo Beverley has improved more so than anyone else on the team.
Hey McHale is also the guy who started White LBJ over Budinger when everyone said Budinger was way more talented. Only difference is Lin so far doesn't have Bud's pissy attitude.
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:17 pm
by MKL
Nebula1 wrote:I'm really glad for Beverly, but the real problem is lost trade value for Lin. With reduced time/role will come reduced trade value and his contract is sizable.
At least this way all pressure is off Lin and he can just play and set up his guys for easy buckets.
If you think this puts pressure off Lin, you're wrong. This will end up in a no win situation where if he performs, critics will say that Jeremy was a better fit with the 2nd stringers. If Jeremy struggles, critics will say that Jeremy was a fluke.
They are already doing this. Every sports publication is saying that Beverley won over Lin. Disregarding the injuries and any statics that backs up Jeremy.
It's confirmation bias to the extreme.
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:18 pm
by Zubby
MaxRider wrote:it is Rockets staring PG curse
aaargh!!!!!!!!!!!!
first Brooks beat Alston
then Lowry beat Brooks
then Dragic beat Lowry
then Lin beat Dragic (Lin was the 3rd PG in preseason)
and now Beverley beat Lin
who will be next?
End of this year Canaan will take over... It's inevitable.
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:19 pm
by MaxRider
MKL wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9901641/patrick-beverley-houston-rockets-set-start-jeremy-lin-opening-night
Beverley, who spent parts of five years playing overseas before joining Houston last season, outplayed Lin throughout the preseason, drawing rave reviews from Rockets coaches and the local media.
McHale, who proclaimed during the preseason that Houston has "two starting point guards," has said he would not disclose his opening-night starting lineup until Wednesday evening, hours before the Rockets play the Charlotte Bobcats.
"I haven't had the fortune to play in the NBA on opening night," Beverley said, according to the Chronicle. "This will be my first one. I am definitely excited."
Lin said earlier this week that he "would love to start" but that he will accept a lesser role.
Lin and Beverley were on different trajectories last season.
After averaging 13.4 points, 6.1 assists and 3.0 rebounds per game in the regular season, Lin slumped to 4.0 points, 2.0 assists and 2.0 rebounds in the playoffs. Beverley went from 5.6 points, 2.7 rebounds and 2.9 assists in the regular season to 11.8 points, 5.5 rebounds and 2.8 assists in the postseason.
this article is misleading
if you didn't watch the game you would believe everything it said
Lin was injured during playoff that's why he wasn't starting
like Beverley suddenly playing more min in playoff will not boost his stats
why no one say anything about Thompson or Faried coming off the bench?
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:20 pm
by MaxRider
is anyone making the opening night game thread?
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:22 pm
by Zubby
MaxRider wrote:is anyone making the opening night game thread?
Yea you... wasn't it u or was it TMACMVP who had a perfect record last year?
Maybe Meatcookie because his GT are pretty
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:23 pm
by MKL
Zubby wrote:MKL maybe you should take a break from basketball for a while... this obsession with McHale can't be healthy.
Bev and Lin both played well I suppose.
But imo Beverley has improved more so than anyone else on the team.
Hey McHale is also the guy who started White LBJ over Budinger when everyone said Budinger was way more talented. Only difference is Lin so far doesn't have Bud's pissy attitude.
I might take a break, because fanaticism isn't good for anybody.
I also like Beverley, he's a really good undersized SG. He does the 3D, shoots 3 and defends. He's a good fit with Heroball Harden.
As for Chase vs Chandler, Chase got paid and got hurt. It's too much of apples and oranges as reference to Jeremy.
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:25 pm
by MaxRider
Zubby wrote:MaxRider wrote:is anyone making the opening night game thread?
Yea you... wasn't it u or was it TMACMVP who had a perfect record last year?
Maybe Meatcookie because his GT are pretty
i didn't even make one last year
i started making for preseason this year because no one make one after the first game and there is not even one for second game and it was ugly without any picture
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:44 pm
by ALPHAandOMEGA
MaxRider wrote:Zubby wrote:MaxRider wrote:is anyone making the opening night game thread?
Yea you... wasn't it u or was it TMACMVP who had a perfect record last year?
Maybe Meatcookie because his GT are pretty
i didn't even make one last year
i started making for preseason this year because no one make one after the first game and there is not even one for second game and it was ugly without any picture
Someone make a GT...Bobcats already on page 5+!!
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:59 pm
by Mr. E
I can't make them. My record was terrible.
I will make sure that the thread is stickies and will prepare the post-game festivities
Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:12 pm
by Nebula1
MKL wrote:Nebula1 wrote:I'm really glad for Beverly, but the real problem is lost trade value for Lin. With reduced time/role will come reduced trade value and his contract is sizable.
At least this way all pressure is off Lin and he can just play and set up his guys for easy buckets.
If you think this puts pressure of Lin, you're wrong. This will end up in a no win situation where if he performs, critics will say that Jeremy was a better fit with the 2nd stringers. If Jeremy struggles, critics will say that Jeremy was a fluke.
They are already doing this. Every sports publication is saying that Beverley won over Lin. Disregarding the injuries and any statics that backs up Jeremy.
It's confirmation bias to the extreme.
Well it's a long season and Lin will have plenty of time to show his worth. I just think Beverly has been THAT good and deserves the nod. Personally I would have stuck with Lin because Beverly is so terrifying to second units, but I have no problem with this either.
To be totally fair, Lin is probably going to be traded because of his contract so it makes sense for Capt Beverly to get the keys.
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:51 pm
by 90sAllDecade
I'm fine with this. Whoever is playing the best should start. I was impressed by Beverly, and Lin will bring some needed offensive spark to the second unit with Asik staying in games when Dwight goes out.
If Lin starts out playing Beverly, it's fair to switch roles back. If both are accepting of a healthy competition to help win games for their team's success, I think it's great.
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:35 pm
by MKL
Nebula1 wrote:MKL wrote:Nebula1 wrote:I'm really glad for Beverly, but the real problem is lost trade value for Lin. With reduced time/role will come reduced trade value and his contract is sizable.
At least this way all pressure is off Lin and he can just play and set up his guys for easy buckets.
If you think this puts pressure of Lin, you're wrong. This will end up in a no win situation where if he performs, critics will say that Jeremy was a better fit with the 2nd stringers. If Jeremy struggles, critics will say that Jeremy was a fluke.
They are already doing this. Every sports publication is saying that Beverley won over Lin. Disregarding the injuries and any statics that backs up Jeremy.
It's confirmation bias to the extreme.
Well it's a long season and Lin will have plenty of time to show his worth. I just think Beverly has been THAT good and deserves the nod. Personally I would have stuck with Lin because Beverly is so terrifying to second units, but I have no problem with this either.
To be totally fair, Lin is probably going to be traded because of his contract so it makes sense for Capt Beverly to get the keys.
I agree to your logical conclusion. If that's how the momentum plays out this season.
Asik/Howard, Lin/Harden, It make sense for at least 1 more trade.
Also, someone mentioned Casspi out playing Parsons and should get the start. /chuckle
Re: ESPN: Patrick Beverley to start.
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:39 pm
by NYK 455
I have no problem with people wanting Beverley in the starting lineup, because their are valuable reasons. He might be a better fit starting, and Lins playmaking and shot creating is more needed with you guys second unit, but the way it's being spun by the media and hater fans is BS. Par for the course with Lin, the dude will never get the respect of the masses, it seems.
I think Bev and Lin will do great this year. It would be smart of McHale to make sure both get 27-32 minutes a night.