What Is Mchale's "System?"

[princeton_o]

I caught much of the second half of tonight's game, or at least tried to. I actually fell asleep midway through the 4th quarter, partially because I'm tired, but also because the game was pretty boring.

I was trying to get a sense of the type of offense that mchale is trying to run. I just could not figure out what they were trying to accomplish. I saw the following:

1. 4 guys standing around the perimeter, and dwight posting up.
2. few, if any screens for guards. If they came, they were late and lazy
3. very poor ball movement and guys just standing around
4. no one cutting or setting any screens
5. players looked sluggish and aimless


What is mchale's system? Is there a system? Is it a crap system? Or, is it a good system poorly implemented?

[zapatasblood]

YES ANOTHER BASH MCFAIL THREAD!

[rocketsballin]

[victorhe]

NBA's worst coach at the moment. Not much we can do about it if Morey does not really care anymore for the team.

I lost hope in Morey as well as Mchale is still here.

Les Alexander, do something.

[texasholdem]

Phil has the Triangle, Kevin has the Octagon.

[cw3k]

McHale system is called "ISO H". ISO Harden or ISO Howard

Shaq is right about Howard, he has no skill. NO PnR, no post move.

I believe Howard spent 2 summers with Dream and didn't learn squad.

[moofs]

Awesome ****

[victorhe]

McHale system is called "ISO H". ISO Harden or ISO Howard

Shaq is right about Howard, he has no skill. NO PnR, no post move.

I believe Howard spent 2 summers with Dream and didn't learn squad.

I am totally with you bro. When Shaq made fun of Howard a year ago, I was like, what ta, can't you just give some slacks to Howard as Howard is just as physically gifted as you.

Then I realize Howard just does not have the same basketball iq as Shaq. Shaq was a total beast both offensively and defensively. Howard, on the other hand, let's just be nice to him and say, does not know what an offensive game is.

[MaxRider]

actually if you watch the game
you will see mchale wants the players to keep pushing and move the ball around
haren is the one holding the ball and slow the ball movement
mchale is pissed on the bench whenever haren is doing that
it's just that mchale don't have the gut to yell at haren and bench him when he's not playing according to his game plan
maybe haren sitting out now has something to do with it
mchale probably ask him why not playing defense and holding ball too long
haren making excuse his foot is hurt
so mchale tell him to sit the game out

mchale main offense is flow
usually pg dribble the ball
pass it to the big man on top/side of the key (howard/asik)
then pg run to the corner
sg or sf (haren or parsons) will come over and the ball (hand out, so predictable)
big man then will roll to the paint, sort of unofficial a pick and roll
sg or sf will dribble to the other side, then sf or sg will come and get the ball
basically seeing what the defender is doing
switch or no switch, etc... etc... too many things to cover

[BaYBaller]

Main half-court system is the "Read & React" system.

We go to the standard PnR when things break down or people just stand around.

There is also a set play mixed in here and there.

And of course the Harden isos at the end of quarters.

Also there is a clear emphasis on pushing the ball.

[cw3k]

Main half-court system is the "Read & React" system.

We go to the standard PnR when things break down or people just stand around.

There is also a set play mixed in here and there.

And of course the Harden isos at the end of quarters.

Also there is a clear emphasis on pushing the ball.

McHale's clar emphasis on pushing the ball is same as Obama's Affordable Care Act that promise lower premium and you can keep your doc and plan.

[LarsV8]

Don't mean to burst you guys bubble, but our offense is one of the best in the league. The only reason we aren't clearly #1 is because we turn the ball over too much, which is really on the individual more than the system.

Offensive Four Factors:
Offensive Rebounding Percentage: 28.5% (4th.)
Effective Field Goal Percentage: 55% (2nd.)
Free Throws per Field Goal Attempt: .32 (1st.)
Turnover Percentage: 17.2% (30th.)

Total Offensive Rating: 110.2 (4th.)

[MaxRider]

Don't mean to burst you guys bubble, but our offense is one of the best in the league. The only reason we aren't clearly #1 is because we turn the ball over too much, which is really on the individual more than the system.

Offensive Four Factors:
Offensive Rebounding Percentage: 28.5% (4th.)
Effective Field Goal Percentage: 55% (2nd.)
Free Throws per Field Goal Attempt: .32 (1st.)
Turnover Percentage: 17.2% (30th.)

Total Offensive Rating: 110.2 (4th.)

our problem is the defense

[BaYBaller]

Yes our problem is defense with defensive rebounding being our biggest issue as of late.

However a note on the turnovers. The Read & React system is going to lead to a lot of turnovers due to how it essentially makes anyone with the ball a "playmaker" depending on the situation and how they are reading the defense. The system is about empowering players, and the benefits are adaptability and being unpredicatable. It's a pretty good system for versatile players (Parsons is a prime example of this).

[RollingWave]

The main theory is read and react, but that means they're really throwing a little bit of everything in there,

One of the most common setup you see is this, Harden or Lin starts up from top of the key, they'll either dribble penetrate or pick and roll down the middle. and the same time Parsons usually run down the baseline, and Jones or whoever's the 4 set set a off ball pick and let Parsons run free (this is similar to a flex set.) and Parsons either run to the corner 3.

Meanwhile, the other guard not penetrating rotate to the top of the key, so if the penetration fails he can throw it out and start over, or if he throw i to the corner but Parsons is covered he swing it to the top of the key for either 3 or start over.

[LarsV8]

Meanwhile, the other guard not penetrating rotate to the top of the key, so if the penetration fails he can throw it out and start over, or if he throw i to the corner but Parsons is covered he swing it to the top of the key for either 3 or start over.

We get in trouble with the starting over part, usually with Lin.

He will penetrate, find nothing, then pick up his dribble or worse jump.

[RollingWave]

Meanwhile, the other guard not penetrating rotate to the top of the key, so if the penetration fails he can throw it out and start over, or if he throw i to the corner but Parsons is covered he swing it to the top of the key for either 3 or start over.

We get in trouble with the starting over part, usually with Lin.

He will penetrate, find nothing, then pick up his dribble or worse jump.

Harden does that too though he usually jump and try to draw a foul, sometimes it work sometimes he look silly failing around and either travel or throw up a crap shot.

The starting over part is actually fine as long as you don' throw it away, decision making is obviously an issue, but overall the good massively outweigh the bad.

[MKL]

LarsV8 with conjecture again. Lets look at a PG with one of the best TO/Assist ratio in his record assist game.

Notice how Calderon jumps almost every time he passes the ball. Most PGs do this to get an advantage on high passes.

Also, Harden Turnover the ball more than Lin, jumping or not. The more obvious conclusion should be that the team does not have chemistry yet and Lin gets hung up on the play with no cutters. Players standing around watching Jeremy dribble and penetrate.

An Interesting fact is that Beverley has assisted Lin only 2 times in shots made this season.

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[Guy986]

The difference is that when Calderon or Chris Paul jumps to pass, they already have a target in mind. They know who to pass it to or exactly how they should deliver the ball. Passing while jumping to give you a better viewing angle is not the issue. Everybody does that. The problem with Lin is that, alot of the times, he jumps without a plan.

When he gets into the paint, Lin has a bad habit of jumping and then improvising in mid air. If he jumps then sees someone like Parsons cutting, he would give parson the ball. If he jumps then see a 3pt shooter camping outside he would lob it back to him. If he jumps and doesn't see a target, then its a turnover.

He did that alot last year but he's reduced it somewhat. Bad habit is hard to shake.

[MKL]

Like you said, Jeremy has cut down on that quite a bit. Jeremy is top 5 in the NBA at drives to the basket. He is also top 5 for PG in going to the free throw line.

You would have to give the guy some credit being the top PG in the NBA in shooting efficiency also.

Pretty much haters gonna hate. Jeremy is not a max player and at 25 years old is doing ok in my book. Yes he drives and draws fouls AND he looks to assist players. Some times that will get him hung up on drives. But the majority of the time Jeremy is ELITE in getting you points for shot attempt.

You have to also consider that Jeremy plays both PG and SG and he comes off the bench and plays with strange line ups.

McHale's system also not very good for PG to score in. Most teams in the NBA has adapted a Spurs Tony Parker curl off screen to the basket play to help their PG score on mismatches. Not the Rockets.

So, Saying that Jeremy often drives without a plan is kind of silly? The stats shows he's Elite in so many scoring categories in efficiency and diving to the basket. You can do much worse in the NBA than giving Jeremy the ball. Imagine Rockets trading Jeremy for Rudy Gay? Then you will see some real efficiency.