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I would have liked to get Lowry back, but that's out of the Rockets price range.

Mr. E wrote:I would have liked to get Lowry back, but that's out of the Rockets price range.

too much money...

I didn't think he would get 48/4. That's a huge contract. Rondo/Parker money, and I don't think Lowry is as good as those 2.

But for some strange reason, Toronto can't get good FA. I guess they had no choice but to overpay.

Watch out Drake, there's a new king of Toronto!

But seriously, this is about what I expected him to get. Plus, the Raptors just finished up one of their best seasons on franchise history. No way they could let him get away.

Those of you who thought Lowry was even considering coming back to Houston are/were delusional. It's hilarious to think that Lowry would want to come back to Houston after 1. the way he was treated by Mchale 2. The way Houston's FO treats players in general(no loyalty/respect)

Houston just crapped the bed with their latest fiasco. If it wasn't already clear, it is now: if you're not a max player, you're just a commodity. It's really difficult to build a championship team when you conduct business in this manner.

Contrast Houston's philosophy with San Antonio's and it's pretty easy to see why Houston hasn't won jack squat in nearly 20 years. Meanwhile the Spurs just finished winning their 5 title in 15 years.

12m/yr is a fair deal. Remember, ppl pay hi-tax in Canada.

Maudlin17 wrote:Those of you who thought Lowry was even considering coming back to Houston are/were delusional. It's hilarious to think that Lowry would want to come back to Houston after 1. the way he was treated by Mchale 2. The way Houston's FO treats players in general(no loyalty/respect)

Houston just crapped the bed with their latest fiasco. If it wasn't already clear, it is now: if you're not a max player, you're just a commodity. It's really difficult to build a championship team when you conduct business in this manner.

Contrast Houston's philosophy with San Antonio's and it's pretty easy to see why Houston hasn't won jack squat in nearly 20 years. Meanwhile the Spurs just finished winning their 5 title in 15 years.

that's some insight.

Lowry is treated better in TOR.

But Lowry matured, he was savvy to use HOU as leverage and got the contract he wanted from TOR.

It was not a sure thing because TOR originally wanted Vasquez to be their main guy.

off topic, you think Morey will flatout waive Lin? Working there is going to be awkward.

Way to much money? To me 4/40 is about right so that is not a drastic overpay. By far the best contract yet. My guess that is the offer sheet Parsons gets(4/48) unless there is a agreement between them

Well as I understand he cancelled all meeting and only was interested in Houston and Toronto. The fact is Toronto made their move now and the Rockets are waiting on Melo. Plus the simple fact Lowry would get far less then what he got from the Raptors.

To be honest, if they didn't trade Rudy Gay and totally turn their season around, Lowry probably left or got traded at the deadline. so it is all relative.

Also, with the way things are going, I think folks might consider what happens if we strike out on everyone, I had thought that was a high probability to begin with, but now it looks a lot higher. since Lowry was the one guy I was not entirely sure on.

With the market rate for FA these days, Morey is unlikely to move Lin in this scenario , because not only are you trading 50 cents no the dollar, but the going rate for replacement role player is equally high, and the quality / upside of said player might be lower.

I doubt Lin will pull a Asik, but as with the same things I said on Lowry, once a bridge is burned it's very hard to go back over it no matter what the original circumstances were. Morey probably could have handled it better than that (like, I totally don't buy Melo told him he rather have 7 than his old College / Denver number of 15.)

Maudlin17 wrote:Those of you who thought Lowry was even considering coming back to Houston are/were delusional. It's hilarious to think that Lowry would want to come back to Houston after 1. the way he was treated by Mchale 2. The way Houston's FO treats players in general(no loyalty/respect)

Houston just crapped the bed with their latest fiasco. If it wasn't already clear, it is now: if you're not a max player, you're just a commodity. It's really difficult to build a championship team when you conduct business in this manner.

Contrast Houston's philosophy with San Antonio's and it's pretty easy to see why Houston hasn't won jack squat in nearly 20 years. Meanwhile the Spurs just finished winning their 5 title in 15 years.

Right. The Spurs have won because of heart or something, not because they have one of the 5 best players in the history of the game.

And Lowry himself has admitted that McHale taught him a lot, and that he was the **** when it came to the clashes between himself and McHale.

Sasaki wrote:

Maudlin17 wrote:Those of you who thought Lowry was even considering coming back to Houston are/were delusional. It's hilarious to think that Lowry would want to come back to Houston after 1. the way he was treated by Mchale 2. The way Houston's FO treats players in general(no loyalty/respect)

Houston just crapped the bed with their latest fiasco. If it wasn't already clear, it is now: if you're not a max player, you're just a commodity. It's really difficult to build a championship team when you conduct business in this manner.

Contrast Houston's philosophy with San Antonio's and it's pretty easy to see why Houston hasn't won jack squat in nearly 20 years. Meanwhile the Spurs just finished winning their 5 title in 15 years.

Right. The Spurs have won because of heart or something, not because they have one of the 5 best players in the history of the game.

And Lowry himself has admitted that McHale taught him a lot, and that he was the **** when it came to the clashes between himself and McHale.

If you don't think the Spurs are NOT the best run team in basketball..maybe all of professional sports, I'd love to hear who you think is better.

As for McHale..Lin is his 3rd PG that he's screwed up. If it were an isolated case...it wouldn't be a big thing..but after awhile....there seems to be a pattern with Mchale.

Maudlin17 wrote:

Sasaki wrote:

Maudlin17 wrote:Those of you who thought Lowry was even considering coming back to Houston are/were delusional. It's hilarious to think that Lowry would want to come back to Houston after 1. the way he was treated by Mchale 2. The way Houston's FO treats players in general(no loyalty/respect)

Houston just crapped the bed with their latest fiasco. If it wasn't already clear, it is now: if you're not a max player, you're just a commodity. It's really difficult to build a championship team when you conduct business in this manner.

Contrast Houston's philosophy with San Antonio's and it's pretty easy to see why Houston hasn't won jack squat in nearly 20 years. Meanwhile the Spurs just finished winning their 5 title in 15 years.

Right. The Spurs have won because of heart or something, not because they have one of the 5 best players in the history of the game.

And Lowry himself has admitted that McHale taught him a lot, and that he was the **** when it came to the clashes between himself and McHale.

If you don't think the Spurs are NOT the best run team in basketball..maybe all of professional sports, I'd love to hear who you think is better.

As for McHale..Lin is his 3rd PG that he's screwed up. If it were an isolated case...it wouldn't be a big thing..but after awhile....there seems to be a pattern with Mchale.

I didn't say the Spurs weren't well-run. I'm saying it's a lot easier to run the Spurs when you know, they have a guy like Tim Duncan. As much as people have been running around this offseason claiming "we need to build like the Spurs", doing what San Antonio did is basically impossible without a guy like him.

And people need to stop with this revisionist crap that Lowry and Dragic "screwed up" under McHale. Lowry played incredibly well under McHale and was discussed as an All-Star candidate. He then threw a temper tantrum when McHale wanted to keep Dragic in the starting lineup because Lowry was still recovering from an illness. Lowry himself has admitted that it was on him and not McHale, so I don't know why people still want to blame McHale. And Dragic leaving had nothing to do with McHale, but because Phoenix offered him a better deal than Houston would. If LeBron does leave Miami, are NBA fans now going to blame Spo for it somehow?

Sasaki wrote:

Maudlin17 wrote:

Sasaki wrote:Right. The Spurs have won because of heart or something, not because they have one of the 5 best players in the history of the game.

And Lowry himself has admitted that McHale taught him a lot, and that he was the **** when it came to the clashes between himself and McHale.

If you don't think the Spurs are NOT the best run team in basketball..maybe all of professional sports, I'd love to hear who you think is better.

As for McHale..Lin is his 3rd PG that he's screwed up. If it were an isolated case...it wouldn't be a big thing..but after awhile....there seems to be a pattern with Mchale.

I didn't say the Spurs weren't well-run. I'm saying it's a lot easier to run the Spurs when you know, they have a guy like Tim Duncan. As much as people have been running around this offseason claiming "we need to build like the Spurs", doing what San Antonio did is basically impossible without a guy like him.

And people need to stop with this revisionist crap that Lowry and Dragic "screwed up" under McHale. Lowry played incredibly well under McHale and was discussed as an All-Star candidate. He then threw a temper tantrum when McHale wanted to keep Dragic in the starting lineup because Lowry was still recovering from an illness. Lowry himself has admitted that it was on him and not McHale, so I don't know why people still want to blame McHale. And Dragic leaving had nothing to do with McHale, but because Phoenix offered him a better deal than Houston would. If LeBron does leave Miami, are NBA fans now going to blame Spo for it somehow?

Sure it's nice to draft a guy like Tim Duncan, but plenty of teams have drafted some incredible players and haven't won squat. Cleveland comes to mind immediately. The point about the Spurs is that they've created an environment that fosters "teamwork"..as in..everyone works together towards a goal. You don't see a lot of bad press coming out of San Antonio. You also don't see guys NOT playing defense and getting paid max contracts . I'm quite sure that even when Duncan retires..they will still be a successful franchise because it's never been about a single player.

As for McHale, let's look at things from a slightly different perspective. How is that 2 of his former guards blossomed immediately after leaving the team? If you've watched the Rockets for the past 2 seasons(I'm assuming you have..based on your presence in this forum) you know how stupidly Mchale has utilized Lin. There's no getting around that one. If you've been in this forum then you should be aware of the numerous posts that point to Mchale's terrible use of Lin(only to be shut down/ignored by certain people)

I guess I missed the part where screwing your team mates wife was good for the team, or have we forgotten about the Parker/Barry incident?

zapatasblood wrote:Way to much money? To me 4/40 is about right so that is not a drastic overpay. By far the best contract yet. My guess that is the offer sheet Parsons gets(4/48) unless there is a agreement between them

(4/48) would be overpaid. This is tax-free Texas, not Canada. 4/40 is OK I guess but I think 4/32 is much better for any contender to pay him.

MKL wrote:

Maudlin17 wrote:Those of you who thought Lowry was even considering coming back to Houston are/were delusional. It's hilarious to think that Lowry would want to come back to Houston after 1. the way he was treated by Mchale 2. The way Houston's FO treats players in general(no loyalty/respect)

Houston just crapped the bed with their latest fiasco. If it wasn't already clear, it is now: if you're not a max player, you're just a commodity. It's really difficult to build a championship team when you conduct business in this manner.

Contrast Houston's philosophy with San Antonio's and it's pretty easy to see why Houston hasn't won jack squat in nearly 20 years. Meanwhile the Spurs just finished winning their 5 title in 15 years.

that's some insight.

Lowry is treated better in TOR.

But Lowry matured, he was savvy to use HOU as leverage and got the contract he wanted from TOR.

It was not a sure thing because TOR originally wanted Vasquez to be their main guy.

off topic, you think Morey will flatout waive Lin? Working there is going to be awkward.

I know for a fact you don't have a source on that comment because its certainly not true. Vasquez was acquired to play backup 1 and give the Raps the flexibility to play a 2 PG backcourt at different points in the game.

Masai Ujiri and Tim Leiweike have been very transparent since the All Star Break that Lowry was NOT leaving Toronto, and they would keep him.... and they did so without a big overpay.

Kyrie just landed a max deal, and Lowry was better than Kyrie this season, and will ALWAYS be a better defender

good to see Lowry returning to Toronto