Morey on the hot seat?
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There are reports out there that Daryl Morey may be on the hot seat with the Houston Rockets following this disaster of a season.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25548629/report-rockets-to-evaluate-daryl-morey-jb-bickerstaff-after-season
If they do move on from Daryl Morey this team would be looking at quite possibly a dramatic change in culture and approach to the game. If anyone is getting their hopes up of abandoning analytics, I think that they will be disappointed. But maybe a new approach would not focus on them so much.
My personal prediction is that Morey will come out of his evaluation still as the GM of the Rockets. His contract is up in 2017, I believe. I think that we will get a new coach who will probably have more control over personnel decisions.
Just my prediction.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25548629/report-rockets-to-evaluate-daryl-morey-jb-bickerstaff-after-season
If they do move on from Daryl Morey this team would be looking at quite possibly a dramatic change in culture and approach to the game. If anyone is getting their hopes up of abandoning analytics, I think that they will be disappointed. But maybe a new approach would not focus on them so much.
My personal prediction is that Morey will come out of his evaluation still as the GM of the Rockets. His contract is up in 2017, I believe. I think that we will get a new coach who will probably have more control over personnel decisions.
Just my prediction.
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If this is true, Les Alexander needs to chill until the season is over. What he's doing is very disruptive considering that the regular season has not even ended. He played a large role in firing McHale in the middle of the season and look how this team is faring. All this bull drama can wait. Les can't be sitting there acting like he has no fault at what's been going on with the team. Everyone from top down is at fault for what potentially will be one of the most disastrous seasons of all time.
It's his team and he can do whatever the hell he wants, but all of this can wait.
It's his team and he can do whatever the hell he wants, but all of this can wait.
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I don't think it's a big deal, everyone will be evaluated after a year like this, but Les is smart, he won't fire a guy who's done a great job every year but one. He's a good owner.
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There's not many good GMs out there to be firing Morey at this juncture and Les is much too smart to show a quick trigger finger. Just hire Thibs, have a decent free agency and grind on.



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I think it's a bit premature to fire Morey. What Les needs to do is get outside help in deciding the next coach. I don't want Morey making that decision.
As a GM, Daryl Morey is elite at 2 things.
1. Keeping financial flexibility.
2. Evaluating players.
He is limited as a basketball mind though. Van Gundy's time with Morey was hurt by years of Dawson's poor management. His time with Adelman was hurt by Yao and McGrady's health. During the McHale era, quality players were put on the floor. I think Kevin actively avoided personnel decisions because of what happened in Minnesota. He should have been more active though. This last year has been Morey just adding players with no question about system or chemistry.
Depending on how this offseason goes, the main part of Daryl Morey's job is done. He's got a couple stars. Whoever the new coach is needs to be strong enough to get control of Harden and make suggestions on how to fine tune the roster around the core Morey did such a good job of building.
As a GM, Daryl Morey is elite at 2 things.
1. Keeping financial flexibility.
2. Evaluating players.
He is limited as a basketball mind though. Van Gundy's time with Morey was hurt by years of Dawson's poor management. His time with Adelman was hurt by Yao and McGrady's health. During the McHale era, quality players were put on the floor. I think Kevin actively avoided personnel decisions because of what happened in Minnesota. He should have been more active though. This last year has been Morey just adding players with no question about system or chemistry.
Depending on how this offseason goes, the main part of Daryl Morey's job is done. He's got a couple stars. Whoever the new coach is needs to be strong enough to get control of Harden and make suggestions on how to fine tune the roster around the core Morey did such a good job of building.
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Morey is just fine as a GM, just not as a coach. I don't know how much of the 3 & Layup mantra comes down from Morey, but it needs to be up to the HC to dictate the strategy and the GM to find the right personnel for those roles.
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It's been 10 years. I think is time for Morey to go. His strategy is not working. We can argue all day how he did his job, but this franchise seriously need a change. You can't really change if your GM remain the same.
Don't worry guy. Les will not fire him this off-season. You need him to convince FA to sign here. No, I don't think Durant will come here.
I think the best he can do is Barnes and Whiteside (yeah, overpaying them).
Don't worry guy. Les will not fire him this off-season. You need him to convince FA to sign here. No, I don't think Durant will come here.
I think the best he can do is Barnes and Whiteside (yeah, overpaying them).
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Frankly, if he wasn't evaluated after this disaster of a season, it'd be a failure on the part of management. Everyone should be evaluated after every season.
IMO this season was a "victim of success" season. We went to the WCF with a bunch of 29-30 year olds, then signed and rolled over a bunch of 30-31 year olds. Not the greatest strategy with a bunch of guys who rely on athleticism, but the alternative is scrapping a 56 win team that just gave a 67 win team a nasty dogfight, with one of the scrapees likely being the C, who is a "superstar".
I mean, what do you do?
We NEED shooting. In the worst way. Our defense fell apart with the athleticism. Our shooting was never great. Our competition is two of the top teams of all time.
Seriously. What else could happen?
Morey is a smart guy. I'm sure he wrote down all the risks of having done what he did and had Les sign off on it.
Don't get me wrong, this season has finally given me some doubts on Morey's basketball acumen, and his soft skills. It's been a miserable season (as partly evidenced by me not posting much - granted I've also been insanely busy).
But again, what else should have been done?
In spite of Max's perpetual pessimism, that would have likely been grousing about Warriors management for not having already won their 4th championship 27 games.
The fact that something didn't happen already doesn't mean the process was bad. It only means that some calculated risks didn't pay off.
While we haven't won a ring in the last 10 years, we've won an average of 49 wins, with no losing seasons, and 5 seasons between 52 and 56 wins, while retooling 2 new superstars within 3 years in the middle.
Yeah, it's no dynasty.
We don't have Duncan. We don't have James. We don't have Curry. Our team hasn't been bad. The Clippers are still winless, too. The Grizzlies fell apart. What do you want? This year was a miserable setback, but lack of ultimate success is not failure.
IMO this season was a "victim of success" season. We went to the WCF with a bunch of 29-30 year olds, then signed and rolled over a bunch of 30-31 year olds. Not the greatest strategy with a bunch of guys who rely on athleticism, but the alternative is scrapping a 56 win team that just gave a 67 win team a nasty dogfight, with one of the scrapees likely being the C, who is a "superstar".
I mean, what do you do?
We NEED shooting. In the worst way. Our defense fell apart with the athleticism. Our shooting was never great. Our competition is two of the top teams of all time.
Seriously. What else could happen?
Morey is a smart guy. I'm sure he wrote down all the risks of having done what he did and had Les sign off on it.
Don't get me wrong, this season has finally given me some doubts on Morey's basketball acumen, and his soft skills. It's been a miserable season (as partly evidenced by me not posting much - granted I've also been insanely busy).
But again, what else should have been done?
In spite of Max's perpetual pessimism, that would have likely been grousing about Warriors management for not having already won their 4th championship 27 games.
The fact that something didn't happen already doesn't mean the process was bad. It only means that some calculated risks didn't pay off.
While we haven't won a ring in the last 10 years, we've won an average of 49 wins, with no losing seasons, and 5 seasons between 52 and 56 wins, while retooling 2 new superstars within 3 years in the middle.
Yeah, it's no dynasty.
We don't have Duncan. We don't have James. We don't have Curry. Our team hasn't been bad. The Clippers are still winless, too. The Grizzlies fell apart. What do you want? This year was a miserable setback, but lack of ultimate success is not failure.
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Wonder if they will bring Sam Hinkie back as an assistant or is he damaged goods in the NBA
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Did Morey get criticized for the Lin contract and now the Howard signing?
Seems like these ran counter to his own philosophy, unless it's about guards over dribbling or Howard trying to post up while the rest of the team watches.
Seems like these ran counter to his own philosophy, unless it's about guards over dribbling or Howard trying to post up while the rest of the team watches.
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wco81 wrote:Did Morey get criticized for the Lin contract and now the Howard signing?
Seems like these ran counter to his own philosophy, unless it's about guards over dribbling or Howard trying to post up while the rest of the team watches.
Lin was pretty good for his role, he just had some major blunders in that series against Portland, the problem there was signing him over giving Dragic another g'teed year.
And Dwight was VERY good the first two years, he was worth it. Maybe he'll show his worth this post season again
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wco81 wrote:Did Morey get criticized for the Lin contract and now the Howard signing?
Seems like these ran counter to his own philosophy, unless it's about guards over dribbling or Howard trying to post up while the rest of the team watches.
Being able to get a guy like Dwight Howard in Free Agency is exactly what the game plan was all along for Morey. This summer, like other summers they will be able to go after a top flight free agent with max money because he manages the contracts to be able to do that. Some did question the fit, but that was a vocal minority.
He did take more heat on the Lin deal, but that was mostly because many of us would have preferred to give that kind of money to Goran Dragic, who was a proven commodity for the Rockets. The Lin deal and the Asik deal were both designed to really favor the Rockets, seeing as how the first two years (when each played for the team) were for around $5M (stretched for over $8M) and the last year was closer to $15M (also stretched, but which the Rockets did not pay). Granted, they had to give up an asset to move Lin's final year, but they got one back for Asik so it was basically a wash.
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Mr. E wrote:wco81 wrote:Did Morey get criticized for the Lin contract and now the Howard signing?
Seems like these ran counter to his own philosophy, unless it's about guards over dribbling or Howard trying to post up while the rest of the team watches.
Being able to get a guy like Dwight Howard in Free Agency is exactly what the game plan was all along for Morey. This summer, like other summers they will be able to go after a top flight free agent with max money because he manages the contracts to be able to do that. Some did question the fit, but that was a vocal minority.
He did take more heat on the Lin deal, but that was mostly because many of us would have preferred to give that kind of money to Goran Dragic, who was a proven commodity for the Rockets. The Lin deal and the Asik deal were both designed to really favor the Rockets, seeing as how the first two years (when each played for the team) were for around $5M (stretched for over $8M) and the last year was closer to $15M (also stretched, but which the Rockets did not pay). Granted, they had to give up an asset to move Lin's final year, but they got one back for Asik so it was basically a wash.
It was actually better than a wash, moved up from the 27th pick that we sent to LA to the 18th pick from NO (which would've been 14th if AD didn't make that dumb double clutch three to beat OKC)
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2 losing record in the last 25 years. Rebuild from Tmac/Yao ear without tanking, no lottery picks, quickly back to contending mode while maintaining flexibility. Got Harden.
No he should not be fired. Everybody makes mistakes. His biggest mistake is extending McHale after the Portland series, but he has a chance now to fix it.
No he should not be fired. Everybody makes mistakes. His biggest mistake is extending McHale after the Portland series, but he has a chance now to fix it.
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MaxRider wrote:It's been 10 years. I think is time for Morey to go. His strategy is not working. We can argue all day how he did his job, but this franchise seriously need a change. You can't really change if your GM remain the same.
Don't worry guy. Les will not fire him this off-season. You need him to convince FA to sign here. No, I don't think Durant will come here.
I think the best he can do is Barnes and Whiteside (yeah, overpaying them).
I agree 1000%
morey needs to go
last year the clippers gave us a free ticket to the wcf had nothing to do with morey
moreys fans are like we made it to the wcf thanks to the great job morey did ... bull s hit
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fire morey please ,the sooner the better.....ryan Anderson is a 3 not a 4
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ken6199 wrote: quickly back to contending mode
loooooooooooooooooool
moreys fans are crazy and blind
we never been contenders under morey
fire morey please ,the sooner the better.....ryan Anderson is a 3 not a 4
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000001 wrote:ken6199 wrote: quickly back to contending mode
loooooooooooooooooool
moreys fans are crazy and blind
we never been contenders under morey
I am not a Moray fan buddy.
We rebuilt without tanking, after the Yao era. We missed 3 years of playoffs (ranked #9), that's it. Looking over the whole league, who else did that?
We had very quick turnover building this team. 1 year getting Harden, the next Howard, then almost with a Bev-Harden-Parsons-Bosh-Howard historical lineup. Credit to Moray's operation, I would say. We went to WCF, then added Lawson for nothing (on paper, that was a huge trade). Of course we were contender.
Now, Moray does something really good, but also not good at other things. That doesn't mean he is a below average GM we need to boot. No way. Our owner need to convince him to just focus on the things he is good at, such as finding young Chander Parsons, but not imposing his basketball philosophy on the head coaches.
Keep Moray, get Thibs, we will be fine.
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000001 wrote:MaxRider wrote:It's been 10 years. I think is time for Morey to go. His strategy is not working. We can argue all day how he did his job, but this franchise seriously need a change. You can't really change if your GM remain the same.
Don't worry guy. Les will not fire him this off-season. You need him to convince FA to sign here. No, I don't think Durant will come here.
I think the best he can do is Barnes and Whiteside (yeah, overpaying them).
I agree 1000%
morey needs to go
last year the clippers gave us a free ticket to the wcf had nothing to do with morey
moreys fans are like we made it to the wcf thanks to the great job morey did ... bull s hit
morey s u c k s
Morey doesn't suck. His strategy don't work for basketball. I never like him or Harden or Howard. I thought he proved me wrong last season. This season is exactly what I'm afraid of and I can't believe it actually came true.
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K_chile22 wrote:wco81 wrote:Did Morey get criticized for the Lin contract and now the Howard signing?
Seems like these ran counter to his own philosophy, unless it's about guards over dribbling or Howard trying to post up while the rest of the team watches.
Lin was pretty good for his role, he just had some major blunders in that series against Portland, the problem there was signing him over giving Dragic another g'teed year.
And Dwight was VERY good the first two years, he was worth it. Maybe he'll show his worth this post season again
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It really was not Lin over Dragic... Morey hates to give player options to non-franchise players.... basically it was after let Dragic Walk, signing Lin was important...initially Morey did not project that much money for Lin, but with less money and no poison bill, knicks would match... and Les does not mind to give a little extra to make Knicks harder to match...the rest is history..
Lin was solid in the Portland series, his game4 TO was over blown, there was more than 30 seconds left on the clock and one possession game, anything could happen, this is NBA after all...
Lin had a disaster playoff run against the OKC though, was overwhelmed in game1, got injured in game2, and could not perform well after the injury, his presence on the court hurt the team ...
overall, Lin rewarded every penny the Rockets paid him on and off the court... good locker room guy, tough, plays hard, sacrifice his game to fit everything the team needs, Rockets fans really should not hold grudges against Lin...
I don't see how Dragic/Harden pair would have been better than Lin/Harden...Lin is a better defender than Goran...Both Goran and Harden are lefties, it is already hard to play with Harden as a ball dominant guard, and two lefties play together? it would have been a disaster for Goran's career... Goran was lucky he did not stay, I don't even see how he can survive for two seasons pairing with Harden...he is not Lin, he would have complained, asked for trade...or simply Morey would have traded him anyway
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