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I think its time for us to trade McGrady by next season...I really dont care much about the outcome of this season, it will be hard and we all know that. I am worried he will lose his value and we will get nothing for him or he will just go ahead and retire. His willingness to make it happen has been questionable these past few years. Here is an example of his work ethic....

Last night he gets the ball stolen by Paul, Paul runs for the dunk, McGrady didnt even bother to run after him, instead we see Scola running like a maniac after Paul but it was already late. - On the other side, someone steels the ball from Scola, McGrady is close, but again he does not bother to run after the ball!!! This is an on and off issue, he plays a few games decent and then a few games very poor.

His free throws are another proof of how his shot is weaker each year....what I noticed is that his shot is always short. He was always a low arc shooter, but it has caught up to him and instead of throwin the ball with a higher arc he mostly comes up short....if you didnt see it yet, make sure to follow it closer...

His defense, wow, some days he has a good defensive posture, some days he just dont give a crap about it. He is the type of a guy that says to himself, " I am that good, I do not need run this screen properly or complete" again, make sure you guys follow this, its happening.

There are many things that bother me personally about this guy, I am a big fan of him and my fav jersey is a TMac allstar jersey...but I want this team to win it all and again, his work ethic is very questionable.

Now the question is, do we look for someone ready to win the championship or do we trade him for someone young with a lot of potential, what can we get for this guy.?

Let's trade him for someone who can help us win the championship. I'm thinking that we should get:

- an experienced vet who can take over games when called upon

- a willing passer who knows when to defer to his teammates

- a guy who's not too young, not too old; twenty-nine is the perfect age

- a good size player. Maybe 6'8, 220

- a guy who can shoot the three

- a guy who at times can guard the opposing team's best player

Are there any players available who fit that description?

Who? McGrady? Yeah. Let's get that guy.

Gotta love Rockets' fans

TRADE T-MAC after every loss or his bad performance. Yeah go ahead.

Where were those threads when we were on 22-game winning streak? i ask, WHERE?

If we will look to trade T-Mac is value will diminish greatly , we will only get picks and expiring contracts.
We better of keeping him.

Why the hell would we trade our best player over three bad games????


Thats stupid, we would lose our best, scorer and playmaker. I know we all wish Tmac would step up and be a leader, but that doesnt mean we should trade him. He is a big part of the Rockets wheather we like it or not

McTracy wrote:Gotta love Rockets' fans

TRADE T-MAC after every loss or his bad performance. Yeah go ahead.

Where were those threads when we were on 22-game winning streak? i ask, WHERE?

I've been for this since last season



why would I complain about a 22 game winning streak, would not make any sense...please dont post if you dont have anything to say

Shabi__5 wrote:If we will look to trade T-Mac is value will diminish greatly , we will only get picks and expiring contracts.
We better of keeping him.

what if he continues with this trend I mentioned above..lets say we are at the same place next year with this issue, what will we get then...

and the argument of this guy being 29 is almost a blunder

TMac has been plagued with injuries the past 3 seasons, he cried his ass off how he cant do this and that...he himself mentioned 'retiring'....

these are all facts

I'll tell you what the worse suggestions are in the world, ones where you basically just point out obvious faults everybody already knows, overreact about them, complain, and then offer no real, concrete solutions. In the business world everybody would just look at you like an idiot, and remember, the NBA is a business.

If you can get good value for T-Mac that would immediately improve the team, that's a no brainer, you do it. However you don't trade him just because "oh no! T-Mac just got picked by Chris Paul last night." You don't trade him for expirings and picks. You don't trade him for a Maggette, and I wouldn't even trade him for AI right now.

Everything you said in the first post was absolutely true, though I believe that he has always shot with a high arc his career, except for the past two seasons (last season was really flat). I'm not sure who the Rox should trade him for and which teams are willing to take him, and whether or not they should, but there is no denying that Tmac's effort level fluctuates. Realistically, every player in the NBA doesn't play their hardest, but most stars do not mentally take themselves out of the game like Tmac does. Tmac is getting older and not much has changed with him mentally, so it is a realistic and honest question to ask whether or not Tmac should be moved.

Amel wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I've been for this since last season



why would I complain about a 22 game winning streak, would not make any sense...please dont post if you dont have anything to say

Yea dude the timing of this very poor on your part. After 3 weeks of great basketball from him warranting MVP talk. He has 3 bad games and you make a thread about trading him. Seems like you are just a guy that complains after every little rough patch. I would rather give him a break on the next two games and see what he does come April headed into the playoffs.

If we make the playoffs and he performs poorly I think people would be more interested in trading him. Right now you just sound like a whiner who can't stand the fact that we lost 2 straight games and looking for someone to blame.

You made the point yourself. Why would you complain about 22 game win streak? So you hang on...the guy is playing well so you can't say anything. Now that he has 3 bad games you feel like now is the time to trash him? Don't you see something idiotic and wrong about that?

I was for trading him earlier this season but I'd rather keep the Yao/Tracy thing going but try adding another quality player off the bench. A Maggette or something similar. Don't ask how we'd do it but we'll probably be better off allowing Tracy to play through his current deal.

trade him to miami for the first pick and get michael beasley

Man this reminds me of Clutchfans. There are too many McGrady haters. Most of them are also bandwagon hoppers of the Rockets recent 22 game winning streak. I don't think that people realize how much we would need McGrady. If we were to change up another star AGAIN, Yao would have to adjust, the team would have to adjust, everything. It would take AT LEAST 1 month and a half into the season just to get everything in order and chemistry to actually build up. Right now, I am just thinking about if he can get us out of the first round. If he does and then the season is over, I am satisfied. Why not? That's basically all we can do without a big unless we get a miracle match up, but also it proves he can actually get out of the first round thus, we would be keeping him. I don't think Morey will trade him.

Texas Longhorns wrote:Man this reminds me of Clutchfans. There are too many McGrady haters. Most of them are also bandwagon hoppers of the Rockets recent 22 game winning streak. I don't think that people realize how much we would need McGrady. If we were to change up another star AGAIN, Yao would have to adjust, the team would have to adjust, everything. It would take AT LEAST 1 month and a half into the season just to get everything in order and chemistry to actually build up. Right now, I am just thinking about if he can get us out of the first round. If he does and then the season is over, I am satisfied. Why not? That's basically all we can do without a big unless we get a miracle match up, but also it proves he can actually get out of the first round thus, we would be keeping him. I don't think Morey will trade him.

AMEN brother

No way, not yet I doubt the Rockets organization does anything either. Him and Yao are here to stay until something terribly wrong happens, in all seriousness its not all his fault, its the players around us, we need to get someone this off season, IMO I think its time to upgrade the PG spot, if we can take a stab at Calderon go for it, the guy is playing better then Nash the past 15-20 games, and on the overall season he has been terrific.

PurpleTestament wrote:I was for trading him earlier this season but I'd rather keep the Yao/Tracy thing going but try adding another quality player off the bench. A Maggette or something similar. Don't ask how we'd do it but we'll probably be better off allowing Tracy to play through his current deal.

That would be the way to go. Tmac has never been around another consistent perimeter threat who could create his own shot besides Mike Miller. Yao's a great post presence, but outside of Yao and Mac the past couple of years, the third option on the Rockets has been decided by playing musical chairs. This year, Scola has taken over that role, but the Rockets still need a dynamic guard/forward. Maggette is certainly one of them, as is Miller. Players like Granger and Hill (who I thought the Rockets should've gone after in the offseason) also come to mind. The question is how are you going to obtain them.

lol

its funny how many of you guys just dont get the message or dont bother to read it. It's like oh he's against mcgrady, he's a mcgrady hater, he posts this because we just lost two games and mcgrady didnt deliver......o please!

this is an ongoing issue....I could have posted this a year ago or during the streak, you guys would miss the point again!

dont make me bump this thread when we loose the spot we are right now and miss the playoffs...

here are some facts, take it how you want to take it, but its true

1. 3 playoff appearances if I'm correct, all three 1 round KO's
2. injury prone...mcGrady has been plagued by injuries, especially the past 3 years...
3. serious thoughts about retirement
4. leadership questionable, one day he leads the other he says its Yaos team..
5. his willingness to give his best on the floor...

these are just a few, and noone can deny them, they are just there

Amel wrote:lol

its funny how many of you guys just dont get the message or dont bother to read it. It's like oh he's against mcgrady, he's a mcgrady hater, he posts this because we just lost two games and mcgrady didnt deliver......o please!

this is an ongoing issue....I could have posted this a year ago or during the streak, you guys would miss the point again!

dont make me bump this thread when we loose the spot we are right now and miss the playoffs...

here are some facts, take it how you want to take it, but its true

1. 3 playoff appearances if I'm correct, all three 1 round KO's
2. injury prone...mcGrady has been plagued by injuries, especially the past 3 years...
3. serious thoughts about retirement
4. leadership questionable, one day he leads the other he says its Yaos team..
5. his willingness to give his best on the floor...

these are just a few, and noone can deny them, they are just there

Ok then smarty. Who are we going to get for him? Nobody wants him FOR ONE, SECOND, it's not only McGrady now with the injuries, it's Yao, so why don't we trade him too? He was joking about the retirement when asked about it again when he said it, he said I will decide near the future near my last year of my contract if he wanted to resign with us. He has to lead without Yao, Yao is the leader, but he has to lead without Yao, who else is going to be it? If you are basing the last 2-3 games, he's BEEN TIRED. Adelman said today "HARD DOUBLE TEAMS ON T-MAC, WE NEED OTHERS TO MOVE AROUND TO GET THE BALL MOVING". He can't score with the teams just killing him. He's not a Kobe Bryant, but you are just way out of your mind.

Come on our third scorer was Shane Battier, with 9pts a game? Our bench was filled with Juwan Howard and Luther Head, and we DID NOT have a backup PG, this team is much stronger with its players, while last years, we didn't have any depth. I seriously think its not him, he shows up when he has to, but its the players, the Rockets organization hasn't done a good job of building around these two guys, they need something.

Texas Longhorns wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Ok then smarty. Who are we going to get for him? Nobody wants him FOR ONE, SECOND, it's not only McGrady now with the injuries, it's Yao, so why don't we trade him too? He was joking about the retirement when asked about it again when he said it, he said I will decide near the future near my last year of my contract if he wanted to resign with us. He has to lead without Yao, Yao is the leader, but he has to lead without Yao, who else is going to be it? If you are basing the last 2-3 games, he's BEEN TIRED. Adelman said today "HARD DOUBLE TEAMS ON T-MAC, WE NEED OTHERS TO MOVE AROUND TO GET THE BALL MOVING". He can't score with the teams just killing him. He's not a Kobe Bryant, but you are just way out of your mind.

lol

so no one wants him, how about later? that is exactly why I think we should move him...we could pull out something, I believe morey could get something out of it

and btw, I created a 4th option on the poll for "What about Yao, you are a TMac hater!" but it didnt get saved, I dont know why.....but I did think about people who would come up with that argument

Yao is untradable...even if he had two left feet....he is the money maker for this organization, and business wise it would be a bad thing to do

and btw Yao has much more upside than McGrady, how? well look at the things I mentioned and compare them with Yaos issues