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Chronicle had a quote with Tmac saying he lost his legs and he's "tired" in the 4th quarter. It's a bit concerning considering this reflects his poor performance in the 4th quarters. In the two games he's played so far, he has about 42 minutes per game. I seriously think Tmac is really only good for about 35 minutes per game at most, his endurance is not what it used to be. We should rest him more.

jzmagik wrote:Chronicle had a quote with Tmac saying he lost his legs and he's "tired" in the 4th quarter. It's a bit concerning considering this reflects his poor performance in the 4th quarters. In the two games he's played so far, he has about 42 minutes per game. I seriously think Tmac is really only good for about 35 minutes per game at most, his endurance is not what it used to be. We should rest him more.

Considering the great defense he played and the fact that he still needs to create everything for him self and others while the Jazz keep fresh players on him all the time this is not shocking.
He still needs to work harder in the off season on running and not only athletic ablity though.

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Considering the great defense he played and the fact that he still needs to create everything for him self and others while the Jazz keep fresh players on him all the time this is not shocking.
He still needs to work harder in the off season on running and not only athletic ablity and stuff.

I'm really curious to see what Tmac's offseason workout is. I'd prefer if he sharpened his basketball skills and running endurance, because I have a feeling he's more focused on hitting the weights. But it's also plausible that no matter what he does to train, his body is just worn out considering how long he's been playing.

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I'm really curious to see what Tmac's offseason workout is. I'd prefer if he sharpened his basketball skills and running endurance, because I have a feeling he's more focused on hitting the weights. But it's also plausible that no matter what he does to train, his body is just worn out considering how long he's been playing.

I totally agree about running endurance and T-Mac should also hire a shooting coach in the off season , his jumper his worse than his Toronto days.
He should be shooting 34-35% from 3 and 76-78% from the line not 29% and 67%.

Man I would like to say "No **** Sherlock" to the titlemaker of this thread.

You know what? I don't think it's fatigue, it's all mental with Mac.

He settles, that's always been his game but nobody noticed it as much since his jumper was far more sound. He's become a pathetic shooter from the outside and at the line. He's just not as explosive as he's used to and just uses fatigue as an excuse.

Star players find that extra wind in the fourth quarter to take over a game. He said the same thing after GAME 7 last season. He's just not good enough to carry a team anymore.

Texas Longhorns wrote:Man I would like to say "No **** Sherlock" to the titlemaker of this thread.

TMACFORMVP wrote:You know what? I don't think it's fatigue, it's all mental with Mac.

He settles, that's always been his game but nobody noticed it as much since his jumper was far more sound. He's become a pathetic shooter from the outside and at the line. He's just not as explosive as he's used to and just uses fatigue as an excuse.

Star players find that extra wind in the fourth quarter to take over a game. He said the same thing after GAME 7 last season. He's just not good enough to carry a team anymore.

He was good enough to carry a team to have home court in the playoffs.
He is playing with a nbdl team not a nba team.
Lets see who he has on this team.
Dikemebe- 41 old , zero offense , has been a backup for the last 6 years.
Needs to start in the playoffs and doesn't even matchup well with the other team.
Bobby Jackson-Score first pg that can't run an offense , 35 years old , has been a backup fir his entire career , he is starting right now and he is currently in a shooting slump.
Luis Scola-Good player but still a rookie , sturggling to make layups in the series so far.
Shane Battier-good player and plays good in this series so far.
Now off the bench:
Chuck Hayes-Undrafted player , a 6'6 power forward with 0 offense and not very athletic.
Struggling to make layups this series , and not playing good defense and rebounding well.
Carl Landry-Good player , can't stay on the floor because he can't defend and rebound well enough so far.
A 2nd round pick rookie.
Aaron Brooks-Good player but not ready.
Overwhlmed on defense can't make an outside shot to save his life.
A late 1st round pick rookie.
Steve Novak-Good shooter , won't see pt because can't guard a tree.
Mike Harris-Undrafted rookie with no outsiode shooting and dribbling ability , defense not great either.
Luther Head-Small one dimensional shooter , plays very poor defense and can't get on the floor because he is too small and doesn't have a good matchup.
Also a shooter that is shooting 16% from FG and 0 % from 3 , 2nd time he has disappeared in the playoffs.

So lets see T-Mac has only 3 offenssive threts around him , Battier , Jackson and Scola.
2 of them are in serious shooting slumps or can't make layups , they shoot below 40% from the field and T-Mac still manages to average 8 apg.
T-Mac got a 35 year old pg , who is past his prime and has been a backup for his entire career , and he is struggling also.
A 41 yeard old center who is supposed to be a backup.
So he got to backups starting and not one play off the nemch who is capable of making an outside shot or finish at the rim.
What is he supposed to do???
We are playing against a very good team.

I can understand this.

But to me..its the playoffs. I mean you can make these excuses I think in the regular season. But in the playoffs it just seems that great players should be able to find that extra burst of energy to finish a game. I just don't think McGrady has that ability anymore. He needs probably two other good, consistent scorers around him. We got 1 in Yao when he is healthy. We need the other.

McGrady just doesn't have that ability to find that extra gear as guys like Kobe, AI, and LeBron possess.

I'm not blaming him on the series, the role players have done crap (especially the missed layups ) and he definitely needs more help (though he could shoot better than 37% from the field, 64% from the line and 11% from three with over 4.5 attemtps) BUT I'm trying to say he's not the player he used to be that could single handedly win you games.

Even during the win-streak to get home-court Rafer was shooting a high percentage and over 16 points per game, Landry was dunking everything, Scola was a consistent 14+ point per game scorer and everybody was lights out shooting the ball and contributing in one way even undrafted ten day contract players like Harris.

I honestly never expected to advance so I didn't expect anymore out of this team, what we did in the regular season surpassed what anybody thought would happen but we're too beat up to really compete and that's not Mac's fault. The only other wing player that probably would lead to better success would be Kobe or LeBron as beat as we are.

EDIT-But overall, Mac's just can't take over games the way he used to and considering he's a guy that's capable or was capable of doing that, he'll continue to get the blame. Unfairly or not.

I tend to agree with Iggyemu somewhat, the rockets really need a third offenivse weapon, a constent supporting cast, and health. If you look at every other western conf team who made the playoffs, they have a big 3 and a great supporting cast that could score when needed, the rockes won't win without those things.

But I must admit that the critism that Tmac is getting not just in houston but all around the nation is crazy. For a guy who led a bunch of nobodies to the playoffs with out Yao and then playing the best he can against a better team, in relatively close loses, is just wrong.

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I'm really curious to see what Tmac's offseason workout is. I'd prefer if he sharpened his basketball skills and running endurance, because I have a feeling he's more focused on hitting the weights. But it's also plausible that no matter what he does to train, his body is just worn out considering how long he's been playing.

He's definitely lost muscle mass this year. IMO he needs to hit the weight room this offseason.

TMACFORMVP wrote:I'm not blaming him on the series, the role players have done crap (especially the missed layups ) and he definitely needs more help (though he could shoot better than 37% from the field, 64% from the line and 11% from three with over 4.5 attemtps) BUT I'm trying to say he's not the player he used to be that could single handedly win you games.

Even during the win-streak to get home-court Rafer was shooting a high percentage and over 16 points per game, Landry was dunking everything, Scola was a consistent 14+ point per game scorer and everybody was lights out shooting the ball and contributing in one way even undrafted ten day contract players like Harris.

I honestly never expected to advance so I didn't expect anymore out of this team, what we did in the regular season surpassed what anybody thought would happen but we're too beat up to really compete and that's not Mac's fault. The only other wing player that probably would lead to better success would be Kobe or LeBron as beat as we are.
EDIT-But overall, Mac's just can't take over games the way he used to and considering he's a guy that's capable or was capable of doing that, he'll continue to get the blame. Unfairly or not.

Kobe wouldn't be able to do better, he was in the same positon Tmac is currently in for the last three years; Kobe got them to the playoffs but could not get them past the first round, thats not until laker mangement got him more help.

And not doubting LBJ greatness, but i just want to see Lebron in the western conf playoffs, where every round is a test.

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Kobe wouldn't be able to do better, he was in the same positon Tmac is currently in for the last three years; Kobe got them to the playoffs but could not get them past the first round, thats not until laker mangement got him more help.

And not doubting LBJ greatness, but i just want to see Lebron in the western conf playoffs, where every round is a test.

Whether it results in a series win I wouldn't know, but Kobe and LeBron have the ability to take over games and do it consistently almost every night. They most definitely would have had better fourth quarters and would likely have at least one win if not both considering both games were close.

The guy had 16 pts, 8 reb, 4 ast, 3 blk, 2 stl IN THE FIRST HALF, and we were STILL down 6. Kobe never got out the first round on his own, and Iverson struggles to even make the playoffs in the West (not to mention he has Camby/Martin/Carmelo/JRSmith on his team). Please, get off the guys back. For 3 quarters of game 2, he was the best player in the world, and it wasn't enough to even put us in the lead. Bring T-Mac guys like Gasol, Odom, Bynum, and Fisher -- then lets see Utah win ONE game in a best-of-seven series against T-Mac.

every team has at least 2 stars on it we have 1. what els can this guy do. air jordan had pippen then added rodman, magic had kareem and worthy. wright now every team in the playoffs have at least 2 stars and the team that wins it all will have 3. we have 1, what can you do with that if we had yao then its a different story. you cant get mad at this guy he is doing his best. all the guy in the playoffs right now are getting double teamed tracey gets tripled. just face it its not his fault this team has a bunch of bench players starting. even if we won this series do you honestly think we would win the rest. not a chance with these guys

shoulda kept bonzi and james imo

It's not mental. You guys should know that he wants to get out of the first round more than any player in this league. The first two games proved me that his physical endurance is no longer there. He played the first three quarters like his old self but he simply couldn't close out in the 4th quarter. His heart tells him to do one thing, but his body can't. Physically, he's not good enough to single-handedly carry a team deep into the playoffs. The fact that we're playing the talented Utah team doesn't help either.

Charles and Kenny really defended McGrady....especially Charles a few minutes ago on Inside.

I agree with those guys with what they said. But I think you gotta be able to go to another level. I mean a defense shouldn't be able to hold you to 1 4th quarter point. I dunno if Adelman needs to find more rest for him or what but he has scored on these guys up until the 4th quarters. If its energy..then Adelman has to take the chance and rest him at some point.

TMACFORMVP wrote:I'm not blaming him on the series, the role players have done crap (especially the missed layups ) and he definitely needs more help (though he could shoot better than 37% from the field, 64% from the line and 11% from three with over 4.5 attemtps) BUT I'm trying to say he's not the player he used to be that could single handedly win you games.

Even during the win-streak to get home-court Rafer was shooting a high percentage and over 16 points per game, Landry was dunking everything, Scola was a consistent 14+ point per game scorer and everybody was lights out shooting the ball and contributing in one way even undrafted ten day contract players like Harris.

I honestly never expected to advance so I didn't expect anymore out of this team, what we did in the regular season surpassed what anybody thought would happen but we're too beat up to really compete and that's not Mac's fault. The only other wing player that probably would lead to better success would be Kobe or LeBron as beat as we are.

EDIT-But overall, Mac's just can't take over games the way he used to and considering he's a guy that's capable or was capable of doing that, he'll continue to get the blame. Unfairly or not.

It's true , I agree T-Mac is not the same player he was in O|rlando or in the Dallas series , but he is still the best wing after Kobe , Lebron and Wade id healthy.
Lebron is in his physical prime , Kobe is Kobe , he is just better than T-Mac and AI never gets tired.

T-Mac is not what he once was and fans need to understand that.

In th Dallas series he was guarding Nowitzki A LOT and he still put up 30 7 and 6 without being tired , he is not the same , age and injuries will do that to you.

We also needs to undertsant that you play so many minutes you need find some moments to"rest" while you are on the floor.
Mcgrady can't do that , he si not the same physically so he gets tired.

Alston coming back will be a huge plus , Bobby Jackson didn't give T-mac the ball when he asked for it a lot on both games.
Alston knows where T-Mac wants the ball and how to get it to him.