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As I sit here watching our team play I realize that I along with the majority of Rockets aren't expecting much out of the team this year; but even if we had Yao I feel like I would only expect us to make it to the Western Finals at best. I know many of you don't want to here this but McGrady has to go.
Teams like the Lakers, and especially Philly have traded away huge players and after one down year have returned toward the top. I mean seriously EVEN if we do get past this round how much long can McGrady play, he is a 28 year old in a 38 year old body. Now I love McGrady (not so much anymore but he is a Rocket). It'd be for the best of both parties we just rely on him too much and he doesn't want that.
So I just wanted to talk about my time and seeing how im in Ohio this is the place to do it.

We need to pull a Lakers and get a Gasol for a Kwame

I like dream's idea better.

Of everything we feel right now. Please don't forget that a) we aren't supposed to even compete with this team b) we are without Yao and its unfair to the Jazz and our guys to expect us to beat a team that beat us last year with Yao.

Iggyemu wrote:I like dream's idea better.

Of everything we feel right now. Please don't forget that a) we aren't supposed to even compete with this team b) we are without Yao and its unfair to the Jazz and our guys to expect us to beat a team that beat us last year with Yao.

Go back and read my post I said the same thing, just want to see what the majority on here thought

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Go back and read my post I said the same thing, just want to see what the majority on here thought

I just read your post again.. and it still says that Tracy McGrady has to go.

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I just read your post again.. and it still says that Tracy McGrady has to go.

??? You never said anything about keeping McGrady I guess its implied but you just said that we arent expected to win which is what I said.

Do you have any huge expiring contracts? You guys could make a run for someone like Mike Miller.. remember that Memphis is having a fire sale. They might let him go for Bobby Sura + fillers

Who exactly would you ship McGrady for? We're talking about the difference between winning 60% of our games and 20% with one player.

It could potentially destroy the Rockets.

We need another shake up, either trade Battier or McGrady:

Houston Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +14.9 ppg, +5.1 rpg, and +1.6 apg.
Incoming Players
Joe Johnson
6-7 SG from Arkansas
21.7 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 5.8 apg in 40.8 minutes
Marvin Williams
6-8 SF / SF from North Carolina
14.8 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 1.7 apg in 34.6 minutes
Outgoing Players
Tracy McGrady
6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)
21.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 5.9 apg in 37.0 minutes

Atlanta Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -14.9 ppg, -5.1 rpg, and -1.6 apg.
Incoming Players
Tracy McGrady
6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)
21.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 5.9 apg in 37.0 minutes
Outgoing Players
Joe Johnson
6-7 SG from Arkansas
21.7 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 5.8 apg in 40.8 minutes
Marvin Williams
6-8 SF / SF from North Carolina
14.8 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 1.7 apg in 34.6 minutes

I doubt Atlanta would do this since JJ has put up numbers similar to T-Mac, but T-Mac does demand more attention than JJ and with Smoove, and Horford behind T-mac he wont' have to use his precious enegry on defense... much like he does here on our team.


or....

Houston Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +3.2 ppg, -1.4 rpg, and +2.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Vince Carter
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
21.3 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.1 apg in 38.9 minutes
Marcus Williams
6-3 PG from Connecticut
5.9 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.6 apg in 16.1 minutes
Outgoing Players
Bobby Jackson
6-1 PG from Minnesota
7.1 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.6 apg in 19.0 minutes
Shane Battier
6-8 SF from Duke
9.3 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.9 apg in 36.3 minutes
Luther Head
6-3 PG / SG from Illinois
7.6 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 18.9 minutes

New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -3.2 ppg, +1.4 rpg, and -2.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Bobby Jackson
6-1 PG from Minnesota
7.1 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.6 apg in 19.0 minutes
Shane Battier
6-8 SF from Duke
9.3 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.9 apg in 36.3 minutes
Luther Head
6-3 PG / SG from Illinois
7.6 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 18.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Vince Carter
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
21.3 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.1 apg in 38.9 minutes
Marcus Williams
6-3 PG from Connecticut
5.9 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.6 apg in 16.1 minutes


Just a couple of ideas in the second one at least will get to add McGrady's underachieving cousin which would make our queen happy, and they get one of the best defenders in the league to help with their horrid defense.

The Laker Kid wrote:Do you have any huge expiring contracts? You guys could make a run for someone like Mike Miller.. remember that Memphis is having a fire sale. They might let him go for Bobby Sura + fillers

Sura isn't part of the team anymore, but we do have Jackson's 6M dollar expiring which can hopefully fetch something good.

Trading McGrady at this point would be stupid IMO. Unless we decided we wanted to rebuild. His value is at an all time low, he's become extremely inefficient, hasn't won anything and injury prone. We wouldn't get an Iverson, or a Joe Johnson + Williams, those are too unrealistic.

Even if we wanted to rebuild, I'm not sure what we could get because McGrady has a large contract though his contract ends after next season.

I said last season if we didn't get out of the first round this season, then it was time to rebuild, but under the circumstances with Yao being injured, I think management will try to surround McGrady-Yao once again for one more year and go from there.

^^ yea really hope each year McGrady makes us all regret doubting him but I now I just feel we should go ahead and just be done with it, cant stop the destiny of Mcgrady

Trading TMac is not the answer-- this is because you will NEVER get fair or equal value for a superstar (see: Shaq trade) I think you're ONE superstar away from really contending.

Btw, what happened to Steve Francis?

Francis had season ending surgery. I remember him playing well coming off the bench earlier in the season but when he started a couple of games was the problem. That stretch took him out of the rotation.

The Laker Kid wrote:Trading TMac is not the answer-- this is because you will NEVER get fair or equal value for a superstar (see: Shaq trade) I think you're ONE superstar away from really contending.

Btw, what happened to Steve Francis?

McGrady is no longer a superstar, switch him w/ Lamar Odom on this team let Odom shot 30 times and they would have similar numbers. Now I never said I wanted equal value hence the title of the thread Philly didnt get equal value and they are playin far above the leave that they were when they had AI, didnt they go on like 15 win streak during the season... the point is McGrady is too old, not what he was and just doesn't fit anymore(never did I guess) we have 2 stars in McGrady, & Battier one of which needs to go and our superstar Yao.

Trading Mcgrady isn't the answer. His production has dropped, but that's partly due to the fact that he has a better supporting cast and that we run a different system. The skill set that Mac has and the way he can impact a game is too valuable to just trade away. If we didn't have injuries to Yao and Rafer this season then this team is eyeing a championship. Adelman's got something amazing cooking because in a league that's very superstar heavy, he's managed to make Mac + role players look like a lethal team. We still don't have a 3rd star that can create his own shot and make it without depending on Yao or Mcgrady.

Landry, Brooks, and Scola will only get better, and we have a valuable expiring contract with BJax. I think if we can move BJax with others for either a huge PG upgrade or a guy like Mike Miller then we will be an elite team. We just have to get a new friggin medical staff...

King Roosk wrote:Trading Mcgrady isn't the answer. His production has dropped, but that's partly due to the fact that he has a better supporting cast and that we run a different system. The skill set that Mac has and the way he can impact a game is too valuable to just trade away. If we didn't have injuries to Yao and Rafer this season then this team is eyeing a championship. Adelman's got something amazing cooking because in a league that's very superstar heavy, he's managed to make Mac + role players look like a lethal team. We still don't have a 3rd star that can create his own shot and make it without depending on Yao or Mcgrady.

Landry, Brooks, and Scola will only get better, and we have a valuable expiring contract with BJax. I think if we can move BJax with others for either a huge PG upgrade or a guy like Mike Miller then we will be an elite team. We just have to get a new friggin medical staff...

I was gonna ask about our medical cause I didnt know if we had switch it, cause they are doing a horrible job... and oh yea McGrady has taken more shots than anyone else this entire post season... 36 of 94 (38%) so production is dropping cause he can't hit shots

Stand pat.

Realistically, we weren't expected to do anything after Yao's inury, but we defied the critics, extended our streak to 22 and made the playoffs.

If we stay healthy next season, if we can't get past the first-round, then by all means, blow it up.

But, we haven't had a great chance to see what we can do with our current team.

04-05 refs screwed us, still had too many scrubs
05-06 injuries wrote that one off
06-07 our PF position was the worst in the playoffs
07-08 our PF was greatly improved but we didn't have our C

Z3snap wrote:^^ yea really hope each year McGrady makes us all regret doubting him but I now I just feel we should go ahead and just be done with it, cant stop the destiny of Mcgrady

Another dumb trade Mcgrady thread after a loss. So when we win on Tuesday because Mcgrady gets ANOTHER near triple-double I guess he can stay.

Tracy is the ONLY player in the west playing w/out another threat on his team. For that matter, every other top team has at least 3 all-star caliber players except the Rockets in this years playoffs.

All-star type players
1. Hou - Tracy ONLY
2. Utah- Derron Williams; Carlos Boozer; Andre Kirilinko; M.Okur
3. Lakers- Kobe; Odom; P. Gasol
4. Spurs- Duncan; T. Parker; M. Ginobilli
5. Suns- Amare; Shaq; S. Nash
6. Dallas- Dirk; J. Kidd; Josh Howard
7. Denver- Carmelo; Iverson; Camby
8. Hornets- Chris Paul; David West; T. Chandler; Peja
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EAST
1. Boston- Garnett; Ray Allen; Paul Pierce
2. Detroit-C.Billups; R.Hamilton; R. Wallace; T. Prince

IF the Rockets lose this series, I won't be that disappointed.
The Rockets should be commended for what they did when Yao
Ming -- the anchor of their entire team -- went out. 10 straight wins (22 in total), 55 wins overall and homecourt advantage for a series in the
toughest NBA Conference ever. Just because they played out of their
minds doesn't mean the bar should be raised on what they should
accomplish in the postseason. Let's face it -- when Yao went down, title
hopes were on hold until 2009.

Daryl Morey just needs to draft well ...
1.Alexis Ajinca 7-1
http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/alexisajinca.asp

2. Serge Ibaka 6-10
http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/sergeibaka.html

3. Courtney Lee 6-5
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Courtney-Lee-471/

and turn our expirings into a 3rd scoring option. Brooks, Scola & Landry will all be better next year w/ this experience. Thank you T-Mac for bringing us this far. W/out you, we'd be in the lottery and our young guys would not know how intense the playoffs are and what they need to work on in the off-season to rise to that level.

This squad doesn't work without Mcgrady. If you trade him you've created even more problems because you're now not only trying find a scoring answer that would replace him in the lineup but you also have to find a new creator with the ball. Honestly, do you think we would be able to find all that in a single off season? Imo, we are maybe one scorer away from escaping the doldrums of this first round purgatory.

But let's be reminded that the Rockets didn't go and snatch up Mac. Tracy demanded to be here. He wanted to play next to Yao. He wanted to wear a Rocket jersey. So we're going to just blame him for everything wrong with this franchise? If management had the foresight to think for one second that Tracy/and or Yao would go down for a significant amount of time that they should add another guy to create some offense. We did have a guy like that but we traded him for Bobby Jackson.

And to trade him now would be a slap in the face to the man who WANTED to be here. Keep Tracy and try to live up to your promise you made when you acquired him. The man has skills that very few athletes will ever have. Even if his efficiency is at an all time low. Get him some help so he isn't so goddamn worn down by the time his performance matters.

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I was gonna ask about our medical cause I didnt know if we had switch it, cause they are doing a horrible job... and oh yea McGrady has taken more shots than anyone else this entire post season... 36 of 94 (38%) so production is dropping cause he can't hit shots

He's taken more attempts than anyone in the postseason because he has no one who can consistently help him score the basketball. He can't hit those shots because Utah is focusing all of their attention on him.