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[Board Project] Top 20 All-Time Rockets (Spot #11)

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[Board Project] Top 20 All-Time Rockets (Spot #11) 

Post#1 » by TMU » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:36 am

3 IMPORTANT RULES!!!
1. Members must consider former/current Rockets players only. Hence, PLEASE CONSIDER THEIR YEARS WITH THE ROCKETS ONLY!!!

2. We'll have a field of 5 candidates for each voting. Each member must vote one player from the field that is worthy to be in the Top 20 list.

3. Additionally, each member must nominate a candidate he/she feels should be added to the field for the subsequent ranking. This nomination is to replace the winner in the following vote.
(In each thread, we have a list of 5 candidates where one will be chosen as the winner. Since in every thread, we'll be voting one player off the list, it leaves only 4 candidates. Hence, the nomination is to include one player and make it a 5 candidate list for the next round.)

All former/current Rockets players are found here:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/tea ... ayers.html

Voting ends on June 23, 2008 @ 3:00 pm EST.

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Rankings
1. Hakeem Olajuwon: 14/14
2. Moses Malone: 6/8
3. Clyde Drexler: 8/16
4. Rudy Tomjanovic: 9/13
5. Tracy McGrady: 6/10
6. Calvin Murphy: 9/11
7. Yao Ming: 6/12
8. Ralph Sampson: 4/9
9. Elvin Hayes: 8/10
10. Otis Thorpe: 4/9

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THE CANDIDATES

Steve Francis
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5 seasons ('00 - '04)
Rookie of the Year ('00)
3x All-Star ('02 - '04)
1 playoffs appearance

John Lucas
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5 seasons ('77 - '78, '85 - '86, '90)
2 playoffs appearance

Vernon Maxwell
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5.5 seasons ('90 - '95)
5 playoffs appearances
2x NBA champion

Robert Reid
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10 seasons ('78 - '88)
8 playoffs appearances

Kenny Smith
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6 seasons ('91 - '96)
5 playoffs appearances
2x NBA champion
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Re: [Board Project] Top 20 All-Time Rockets (Spot #11) 

Post#2 » by TMU » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:39 am

Vote: Steve Francis
Nominate: Mike Newlin
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Post#3 » by moofs » Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:22 am

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Post#6 » by TMACFORMVP » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:52 am

Vote: Steve Francis
Nominate: Mike Newlin
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Post#8 » by Baller 24 » Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:10 pm

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Re: [Board Project] Top 20 All-Time Rockets (Spot #11) 

Post#9 » by jove9 » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:36 pm

I thought I posted in this thread already, but it's not here.

Umm.... if a double post appears, we'll know what happened.

Here is what I said before:

Francis was robbed in the last thread.

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Post#10 » by MaxRider » Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:05 am

vote: Reid
nominate: Barkley


we ran out of quality player
we might have to nominate Alston by #15
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Post#11 » by Vator » Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:47 pm

MaxRider wrote:

we ran out of quality player
we might have to nominate Alston by #15


:lol: I was thinking about that a few threads back. I actually tried to submit a post about how we may eventually have to put up Rafer, but the board was buggy. It is crazy to think, but he may actually at least be a strong candidate for a nomination bid before it is all said and done.


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Post#12 » by Baller 24 » Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:24 am

jove9 wrote:I thought I posted in this thread already, but it's not here.

Umm.... if a double post appears, we'll know what happened.

Here is what I said before:

Francis was robbed in the last thread.

Vote: Franchise
Nominate: Chuck


Nah, Otis was a 17 pt, 10 reb player on a championship team. Along with playing 6 SOLID seasons. Francis fell off his 5th season under JVG, where he was actually playing in a system. Before JVG he was allowed to do what ever he felt like doing, hence the open and free Rudy T. system where he averaged 20pts, 6reb, 6ast, along with close to 4 turnovers. There is no way Francis was robbed, if there were more quality all stars on that championship team, then Francis would fall even more, Francis's best seasons were 2001, and 2003 with the Rockets, he was actually efficient those seasons, where the Rockets missed out of the playoffs by only 1 game. But Otis Thorpe is rightfully ahead of Francis.
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Post#13 » by moofs » Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:23 am

Good point. My vote on the last one is changed to Thorpe (not that it matters). I had put Francis ahead on the basis of his getting us TMac and some other crap, and somehow (oh wait, not "somehow", it's cause i'm not taking this all that seriously and doing good checks like normal :P ) forgot that Thorpe got us Drexler, duh. Tie there, and Thorpe wins by a mile everywhere else.
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Re: [Board Project] Top 20 All-Time Rockets (Spot #11) 

Post#14 » by TMU » Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:29 pm

Steve Francis wins spot #11.
Since there's a tie between Mike Newlin and Charles Barkley, both players will be nomination.
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Post#15 » by moofs » Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:20 pm

Can we get Maxwell's 2x Champion amended to 1x? :)
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Re: [Board Project] Top 20 All-Time Rockets (Spot #11) 

Post#16 » by TMU » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:27 am

moofs wrote:Can we get Maxwell's 2x Champion amended to 1x? :)


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Yes, I will in the next round. I heard that he didn't receive his 2nd ring.
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Post#17 » by jove9 » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:17 am

Baller 24 wrote:Nah, Otis was a 17 pt, 10 reb player on a championship team. Along with playing 6 SOLID seasons. Francis fell off his 5th season under JVG, where he was actually playing in a system. Before JVG he was allowed to do what ever he felt like doing, hence the open and free Rudy T. system where he averaged 20pts, 6reb, 6ast, along with close to 4 turnovers. There is no way Francis was robbed, if there were more quality all stars on that championship team, then Francis would fall even more, Francis's best seasons were 2001, and 2003 with the Rockets, he was actually efficient those seasons, where the Rockets missed out of the playoffs by only 1 game. But Otis Thorpe is rightfully ahead of Francis.


I don't know, man. Sure, Francis sucks now, but Thorpe wasn't a multi-year All-Star, he didn't average crazy numbers, he wasn't nearly as athletic, and he didn't have anything close to the skill set Franchise did.

At 6'3, Stevie was (kind of) running the team, getting lobs thrown to him, was the focus of the opposing defense, and was still getting over 20, 6, and 6 a game. That's unheard of for a guy that small (and who can't palm the ball).

If you take away Steve and put Otis on those teams, we don't come close to winning 45 games (and missing the playoffs), or almost beating Shaq's Lakers in the first round.

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