Would you include Battier in S&T for Artest?

[RoxFan08]

I sure as hell wouldn't. The Kings will be lucky, to get anything at all for him in a sign and trade. IMO, its going to be similar to what the Sonics got for Rashard...basically nothing.

I've seen some trades on the board about Brooks and Battier for Artest in a sign and trade...what!?

I don't think there's any need to include either in a deal with Sacramento, who has absolutely zero leverage. They'd be very pleased to get Brooks in return IMO for Artest in that sort of deal...absolutely no reason to trade Battier.

My 2 cents.

[ShaY]

I will try to give them a package of Brooks Jackson and picks but if they insist I will definately trade Battier for Artest.
Artest is just a better player at every aspect besides 3pt shooting.

[McGrady2Head]

i would give battier for artest, and i wouldnt have to even think about it more than a second. if you wouldnt, you are overating our players. i cant believe you just mentioned brooks lol. hes horrible

[Vator]

I was about to lock this. We don't really need another thread discussing this, but since it's a poll I'll let it stand. My vote is yes. I love Battier and like you feel that we might be able to swing a deal without including him, but let's just say that somebody else offers something that Sac prefers and we have to sweeten the pot so to speak. Say Artest is willing to come here as well as the other team and didn't pull a "I'm going to Houston one way or the other so you better get what you can" statement. If that were the circumstances, I would have to say bye bye Shane. If we were somehow able to get him without trading Battier in the process, I would consider this team the favorite for a title next year barring injuries, but I'm not sure how realistic that is. Jackson's expiring isn't really meaningful to them money wise when they can just let him walk. Would they see it as valuable to use around the trade deadline(possibly) and how muh do they really value Brooks are questions that we just don't know the answers to. Is that and a pick enough? Maybe, maybe not. I also would think the combined contracts of Jackson and Brooks may not be in the range of what he wants to be paid so you may have to throw in another player. Would they even want a Chuck Hayes?

[Dinky Bits]

I would give up anyone on this team other than McGrady/Scola/Yao for Artest. He's the one guy that I can see us realistically getting that will take us to that next level, or, in our case, next round.

[DraftBoy10]

Obviously, at first sell Bobby + Brooks, then if not add a 1st. But then if they don't like either, yes I'd try to send something like Chuck + Shane + 2nd or 1st if they insist keeping Bobby here, and even Brooks(for other deals).

Having Artest and Battier is quite redundant, and if we are to acquire Artest, it'd mean the end of Shane. Shane's game doesn't fit one of a 6th man in today's NBA, his defense would be lovely, but his offense is dreadful. I'd imagine we could pursue an alternate deal to follow with of Brooks + Jackson.

Right now Morey's banking on timing and pressure from other teams. Just as he displayed in the NBA Draft, on his part he has patience and poise. It's going to be hard, but I think he'll pull things off.

[Don Draper]

In a heartbeat.

I hate Battier's contract.

[Guy986]

Portland Outgoing: Martell Webster, Diogu, James Jones
Incoming: Shane Battier

Sacramento Outgoing: (signed)Ron Artest
Incoming: Martell Webster, Diogu, Luther Head, Aaron Brooks

Houston Outgoing: Shane Battier, Luther Head, Aaron Brooks
Incoming: Ron Artest, James Jones

What do you guys think? I dont know if contract works or no but i can see all 3 parties doing this.

[Guy986]

In a heartbeat.

I hate Battier's contract.

Are you kidding me? Battier has one of the most reasonable contract in the NBA.

[Optimism Prime]

Absolutely not. It's not a matter of my overrating our players as it is valuing chemistry. In Battier, we have a guy who's a great defender, does all the little things, doesn't need a lot of touches, gets along with everyone...

Artest is a guy who's most famous for charging into the stands, asking for time off to work on his rap album, demanding a trade... he's a loose cannon, he grumps when he doesn't get enough shots, will KILL chemistry... and if you think that his contract will be any better than Battier's, you're flat-out wrong. He's making more than Shane right now and will demand more money in his next contract.

He's Bonzi Wells XP. Let someone else deal with him--he's one player I do NOT want on this team. Is his defense really worth having a ball-hog with an overinflated sense of his own value who's as likely to destroy the team as bump us to the next level.

No Artest. No Artest. No Artest. No Artest. No Artest. No Artest. No Artest. No Artest.

[PurpleTestament]

Lol at the poll.

For years the Rockets have done the nonsensical thing for the club and while I give them props for having the nicest players in the league that doesn't get you very far. Morey is changing the front office definitely but there is always risk when you're trying to win. Time for the Rockets to bring some accountability from the management on down to the lockerroom. Bring on Artest and I'm sure this team is a WCF contender.

[Guy986]

I dont care who we get as long as they help us win. Even if its crazy Artest.

[tisbee]

OP has it right. No,a gazillion times no.
First,financial. He's making @ $8.4mil now AND WANTS MORE! For those keeping score that's over two million MORE than Battier,and Artest wants far more.(He's already stated he isn't going to play for the MLE-no matter who for.) And such a trade still doesn't change fact Rockets have one reserve SF(a rookie)and 1 reserve SG(Head) and would have $2mil less to find a backup.(In case you think I harp too much on the depth issue,HoopsHype in rumors has bit on Nets where writer talks how thin Nets are in wings and lists 3 SGs and 2 SFs on roster.)
While he is a great defender,who still gets lit up by Kobe,T-Mac,LeBron,etc. And when they go off Artest decides it's a one-on-one duel and he starts chucking away at the other end. The Artest of today is not the young Artest-now he demands to be the focal point of the offense and sulks when he feels he isn't getting enough shots. Vator I'm suprised at your take,as his incessant dribbling followed by a wild heave matches the worst of Francis. He is a motion offense killer.
Whatever claims there are for his toughness and edge,etc,I cannot help but recall at the end of last season he was constantly injured-unless LA or Hou came to town,then he was well enough to play in a high-profile game and then he was too hurt to play the next game against a Minn.
Far more telling is that Adelman didn't want him last yr. There is no effing way Morey doesn't trade for him last yr when all it would have taken was Alston and Brooks if Adelman said he wanted Artest. That Adelman would let Aaron Brooks-AARON BROOKS!-stand in the way of getting Artest tells me Adelman doesn't want Artest.
If the Rockets weren't going to trade Brooks for him,they're sure not trading Battier.

[McGrady2Head]

doesn't need a lot of touches,....

this is actually a bad thing for battier. he doesnt need alot of touches because he is horrible at offense. we need a guy who needs more touches because they can actually play some O. I laugh evertime i see someone post "we need someone unselfish so mac and yao can get their touches" lol. tmac aint kobe, yao aint shaq. someone to take away a few of there shots and help them out would help out the whole team. tmac and yao cant do it by themselves.

[McGrady2Head]

being carried by JUST T-Mac and Yao, here is how we have finished....

Year 1: beaten by the Mavs. add artest in there instead of our defensive stopper wesley.

Yao, Bowen, Artest, T-Mac, Sura...Bench: James, Barry, Mutombo
Dampier, Dirk, Howard, Terry, Harris...Bench: Stackhouse, Daniels, Diop

Would we have lost with artest, i really doubt it. T-mac and yao tried, but needed one more scorer. artest would have been that.

Year 2: Injuries, no Playoffs

Year 3: Beaten by Jazz

Yao, Howard, Artest, T-Mac, Alston
Okur, Boozer, AK 47, Fisher, Williams

I believe we would have won this series too.

Year 4: Yao Injured, lost to Jazz.

Now it gets even better with Landry and Scola.

Alston/Jackson
T-Mac
Artest
Scola/Landry
Yao/Mutombo

Thats a great core

[Vator]

OP has it right. No,a gazillion times no.
First,financial. He's making @ $8.4mil now AND WANTS MORE! For those keeping score that's over two million MORE than Battier,and Artest wants far more.(He's already stated he isn't going to play for the MLE-no matter who for.) And such a trade still doesn't change fact Rockets have one reserve SF(a rookie)and 1 reserve SG(Head) and would have $2mil less to find a backup.(In case you think I harp too much on the depth issue,HoopsHype in rumors has bit on Nets where writer talks how thin Nets are in wings and lists 3 SGs and 2 SFs on roster.)
While he is a great defender,who still gets lit up by Kobe,T-Mac,LeBron,etc. And when they go off Artest decides it's a one-on-one duel and he starts chucking away at the other end. The Artest of today is not the young Artest-now he demands to be the focal point of the offense and sulks when he feels he isn't getting enough shots. Vator I'm suprised at your take,as his incessant dribbling followed by a wild heave matches the worst of Francis. He is a motion offense killer.
Whatever claims there are for his toughness and edge,etc,I cannot help but recall at the end of last season he was constantly injured-unless LA or Hou came to town,then he was well enough to play in a high-profile game and then he was too hurt to play the next game against a Minn.
Far more telling is that Adelman didn't want him last yr. There is no effing way Morey doesn't trade for him last yr when all it would have taken was Alston and Brooks if Adelman said he wanted Artest. That Adelman would let Aaron Brooks-AARON BROOKS!-stand in the way of getting Artest tells me Adelman doesn't want Artest.
If the Rockets weren't going to trade Brooks for him,they're sure not trading Battier.

I'm not advocating trading Battier for him. Of course I would rather have them both, but Artest can play D like Shane, he can handle the ball, create his own shot, post up, rebound, and pass better than Shane. He would be a great 3rd scorer. We wouldn't lose much on D while adding another offensive threat. Artest is one of the few players that I feel would be an upgrade at the position.

The reason trading for him last trade deadline was stupid is because he had already stated that he would opt out and test free agency. You don't give up guys you like under those circumstances for a rental. This would be a sign and trade so now the biggest risk would be him going insane again.

He also seemed to function just fine in Adelman's offense before.

Of couse you tell Sac that he is off limits and offer Landry or something instead if they insist on more talent, but if push comes to shove and somebody like the Lakers for example have a better deal on the table, I wouldn't love it, but I would include Shane. The big question is would Morey and Adelman?

[Iggyemu]

Yes but I don't think thats enough for Artest. So its not really our call...its the Kings. If they want him then yes we gotta do it.

[McGrady2Head]

OP has it right. No,a gazillion times no.
First,financial. He's making @ $8.4mil now AND WANTS MORE! For those keeping score that's over two million MORE than Battier,and Artest wants far more.(He's already stated he isn't going to play for the MLE-no matter who for.) And such a trade still doesn't change fact Rockets have one reserve SF(a rookie)and 1 reserve SG(Head) and would have $2mil less to find a backup.(In case you think I harp too much on the depth issue,HoopsHype in rumors has bit on Nets where writer talks how thin Nets are in wings and lists 3 SGs and 2 SFs on roster.)
While he is a great defender,who still gets lit up by Kobe,T-Mac,LeBron,etc. And when they go off Artest decides it's a one-on-one duel and he starts chucking away at the other end. The Artest of today is not the young Artest-now he demands to be the focal point of the offense and sulks when he feels he isn't getting enough shots. Vator I'm suprised at your take,as his incessant dribbling followed by a wild heave matches the worst of Francis. He is a motion offense killer.
Whatever claims there are for his toughness and edge,etc,I cannot help but recall at the end of last season he was constantly injured-unless LA or Hou came to town,then he was well enough to play in a high-profile game and then he was too hurt to play the next game against a Minn.
Far more telling is that Adelman didn't want him last yr. There is no effing way Morey doesn't trade for him last yr when all it would have taken was Alston and Brooks if Adelman said he wanted Artest. That Adelman would let Aaron Brooks-AARON BROOKS!-stand in the way of getting Artest tells me Adelman doesn't want Artest.
If the Rockets weren't going to trade Brooks for him,they're sure not trading Battier.

I'm not advocating trading Battier for him. Of course I would rather have them both, but Artest can play D like Shane, he can handle the ball, create his own shot, post up, rebound, and pass better than Shane. He would be a great 3rd scorer. We wouldn't lose much on D while adding another offensive threat. Artest is one of the few players that I feel would be an upgrade at the position.

The reason trading for him last trade deadline was stupid is because he had already stated that he would opt out and test free agency. You don't give up guys you like under those circumstances for a rental. This would be a sign and trade so now the biggest risk would be him going insane again.

He also seemed to function just fine in Adelman's offense before.

Of couse you tell Sac that he is off limits and offer Landry or something instead if they insist on more talent, but if push comes to shove and somebody like the Lakers for example have a better deal on the table, I wouldn't love it, but I would include Shane. The big question is would Morey and Adelman?

Bingo Vator. last year would have been stupid to trade him because artest would have only been here for month plus the playoffs. NOW, it would be smart to make the trade. Artest's D is just as good as battier, and artest is ALOT better on O. i dont see the problem here. artest jumped in the stands like 3-4 years ago, he has been great since then. people need to get over that. hes a good player, i saw him torch tmac once last year

[bigbreakfast]

I'm very skeptical Artest helps us win. I could care less if he's nice or not, but when has he been a winner? By all accounts the guy is a distraction to the team and his head is elsewhere. And I'm not even talking about the brawl, that doesn't bother me as much as the other little things he's done. If I think he helps the team more than Battier? Yes. But I just don't see that stability.

[MaxRider]

i would
there's no need for Battier if we had Artest
he's going to play at SF
i'm happy with Scola and Landry at PF
hopefully we can re-sign Green to play backup SF/SG