Would Dwight Howard be a better fit?

[J-Mezzy]

This is not a thread about who is better between the 2, but more of who would fit this team better. This team is having issues rebounding and defensively, both areas on which Howard is excelling at this time, but the Rockets are also struggling offensively and it is clear that Yao has a better offensive repertoire.

This team has McGrady who is a great play maker and would find Howard down low of easy buckets, It is a tough choice, who would you take?

[GermanFan120]

Neither.

You guys need a center who can pass under Rick's system, like Divac

But if i must make a choice, i would go with the superman becoz he is the best rebounder in NBA and allow Tmac and Ron to score at will

I don't think Rockets need Yao to score, coz when Mutombo plays, Rockets is hard to beat, you guys have enough weapons to score, just need to rebound and defend better

[BaYBaller]

At this stage we are grinding out games so DHo is a better overall player and a better fit. It remains to be seen however where Adelman wants to take this offense. IMO Yao has to be able to be effective in the high post to be able in incorporate our big 3 in the offense.

[MaxRider]

The answer is Brad Miller.

[GermanFan120]

The answer is Brad Miller.

please don't give up on Yao for Brad Miller

[MaxRider]

The answer is Brad Miller.

please don't give up on Yao for Brad Miller

We are not trading Yao now. If we still can't win with Yao in the next 2 years we just going to let him walk and hit the free agent market.

[moofs]

I wanna set it so that dialing "37" on my phone pops up an application whose only job is to sit there making eye roll gestures. I'm getting tired of doing it manually and the new realgm icon for it doesn't cut the butter.

[BaYBaller]

Yao is never going to be a power player or some athletic freak type big man, he doesn't have that type of body. Make fun of Brad Miller all you want but for Yao to take his game to another level he will have to model Miller's high post game. Miller was very good in his prime and if Yao works on his reads and passing and his outside jumper he will have a much higher ceiling.

Right now the strength of all 3 of our stars is in the post, and that does not mesh well on the floor.

[smapor]

Yao is never going to be a power player or some athletic freak type big man, he doesn't have that type of body. Make fun of Brad Miller all you want but for Yao to take his game to another level he will have to model Miller's high post game. Miller was very good in his prime and if Yao works on his reads and passing and his outside jumper he will have a much higher ceiling.

Right now the strength of all 3 of our stars is in the post, and that does not mesh well on the floor.

If we turn Yao into Brad Miller, I am going to punch Ric in the face. You don't turn a 20/10 player into Brad Miller.

Ric's offense isn't working because nobody on these team cuts (beside luther) and DH wouldn't work in this team unless JVG was the coach. Ric wouldn't even know how to use DH strengths, look at him trying to figure out what to do with T-mac, Artest, and Yao. He is suppose to be a great O coach, but last year he had to revert to set plays and thats another reason why we went on our 22 win streak. You guys don't remember when we tried to implement his offense (everybody looked lost, doesn't that look familar this year on offense, unless T-mac takes over)

[BaYBaller]

Yao is never going to be a power player or some athletic freak type big man, he doesn't have that type of body. Make fun of Brad Miller all you want but for Yao to take his game to another level he will have to model Miller's high post game. Miller was very good in his prime and if Yao works on his reads and passing and his outside jumper he will have a much higher ceiling.

Right now the strength of all 3 of our stars is in the post, and that does not mesh well on the floor.

If we turn Yao into Brad Miller, I am going to punch Ric in the face. You don't turn a 20/10 player into Brad Miller.

Ric's offense isn't working because nobody on these team cuts (beside luther) and DH wouldn't work in this team unless JVG was the coach. Ric wouldn't even know how to use DH strengths, look at him trying to figure out what to do with T-mac, Artest, and Yao. He is suppose to be a great O coach, but last year he had to revert to set plays and thats another reason why we went on our 22 win streak. You guys don't remember when we tried to implement his offense (everybody looked lost, doesn't that look familar this year on offense, unless T-mac takes over)

Everbody overreacts this way. Right now Yao is basically useless on offense if he isn't down low. He either tries to post up or gets the hell out of the way to give T-Mac an open lane. Yao is not a threat from the high post, but to take his game to the next level he *needs* to be. It's not possible to have a motion offense with you center camping the blocks all game. If rhythm down low it's all good, but when he's not because they are doubling him hard or whatever he needs to be able to contribute in other ways on offense because he is afterall an offensive center.

Yao can hit that shot 15 footer, but for one reason he is off in games. Still that's not the concern, it's his passing that's really holding him back. Yao does not seem to be able to make reads and go with the flow of the offense very well.

[smapor]

Yao is never going to be a power player or some athletic freak type big man, he doesn't have that type of body. Make fun of Brad Miller all you want but for Yao to take his game to another level he will have to model Miller's high post game. Miller was very good in his prime and if Yao works on his reads and passing and his outside jumper he will have a much higher ceiling.

Right now the strength of all 3 of our stars is in the post, and that does not mesh well on the floor.

If we turn Yao into Brad Miller, I am going to punch Ric in the face. You don't turn a 20/10 player into Brad Miller.

Ric's offense isn't working because nobody on these team cuts (beside luther) and DH wouldn't work in this team unless JVG was the coach. Ric wouldn't even know how to use DH strengths, look at him trying to figure out what to do with T-mac, Artest, and Yao. He is suppose to be a great O coach, but last year he had to revert to set plays and thats another reason why we went on our 22 win streak. You guys don't remember when we tried to implement his offense (everybody looked lost, doesn't that look familar this year on offense, unless T-mac takes over)

Everbody overreacts this way. Right now Yao is basically useless on offense if he isn't down low. He either tries to post up or gets the hell out of the way to give T-Mac an open lane. Yao is not a threat from the high post, but to take his game to the next level he *needs* to be. It's not possible to have a motion offense with you center camping the blocks all game. If rhythm down low it's all good, but when he's not because they are doubling him hard or whatever he needs to be able to contribute in other ways on offense because he is afterall an offensive center.

Yao can hit that shot 15 footer, but for one reason he is off in games. Still that's not the concern, it's his passing that's really holding him back. Yao does not seem to be able to make reads and go with the flow of the offense very well.

I agree however his teamates needs to make good cuts to make the high post work effectively. We seen him at the high post and nobody makes cuts, people are just standing around, especially T-mac. What else can Yao do besides pass to a standing player.

To me the number 1 issue for Ric's offense is the lack of players who want to make the cuts, even Artest is just standing around. Its like nobody is buying into that offense.

[onepencil]

I take Yao Ming. Yao, he is clutch. I take Yao Ming anytime over Dwight Howard. Think about it, few years later, dwight will lost his athleticism. Please keep in mind he is not a skilled type player. Once he lst his athleticism, he is going to be a average center like shaq now or Big ben.

[PocketRockets]

This is kinda of unfair b/c we didn't have a shot at Superman2 (Amare/Yao maybe?). But to keep the convo going, I'd have to take Yao b/c Dhoward can't make free throws. In close games, which playoff games usually are, teams are going to foul DHoward and make him win it from the line and with him...more likely than not, the Magic are going to lose. It's really hard too though because imagine how sick we'd be with howard instead of Yao........... =/

[Iggyemu]

For this team he would be. And we don't run Adelman's offense. We try to but Yao isn't comfortable with high post play and the rest of the team doesn't cut.

But why even go further...we are stuck with Yao. And I as I said on the GB we aren't going to win a championship with the current rotation or personnel. I dunno how much Dorsey would help on the boards but he is still under 6'10. But will he ever get a chance?

The way Morey put together the PF spot is very faulty. With each of em you give up something significant. Hayes can defend but can't score or rebound b/c of his size. Scola can score, rebound but not defend. Landry is probably the closest to being able to do all 3 things well enough to warrant big minutes but his strength is a problem so he usually gets bowled over by bigger PFs.

Why am I talking about the PF position? Because we knew these things about Yao. We knew he could score and put up 25 but we knew he was soft and just got pushed around. We don't have anyone at the PF spot that can help him out. He is relied on to get every rebound...something a Dwight Howard could do. Something that makes him a better fit.

[moofs]

For this team he would be. And we don't run Adelman's offense. We try to but Yao isn't comfortable with high post play and the rest of the team doesn't cut.

But why even go further...we are stuck with Yao. And I as I said on the GB we aren't going to win a championship with the current rotation or personnel. I dunno how much Dorsey would help on the boards but he is still under 6'10. But will he ever get a chance?

The way Morey put together the PF spot is very faulty. With each of em you give up something significant. Hayes can defend but can't score or rebound b/c of his size. Scola can score, rebound but not defend. Landry is probably the closest to being able to do all 3 things well enough to warrant big minutes but his strength is a problem so he usually gets bowled over by bigger PFs.

Why am I talking about the PF position? Because we knew these things about Yao. We knew he could score and put up 25 but we knew he was soft and just got pushed around. We don't have anyone at the PF spot that can help him out. He is relied on to get every rebound...something a Dwight Howard could do. Something that makes him a better fit.

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[tisbee]

The best big man today that fits Adelman's system is Paul Gasol. He can pass,shoot and drive from the high post. BUT,the Rockets aren't trading Yao and the Lakers wouldn't swap Gasol for Yao.

Would Dwight feast on the inside looks Tracy would give him,oh h*** yes,but again it's stricktly hypothetical. And Dwight is far more turnover prone than Yao,has limited passing skills,so no he wouldn't fit Adelman's system better.

The worrying thing about Yao is that it looks like he's lost about half his vertical lift and also a step or two. If that is permanent he's going to have to rethink his game.
Second problem w/Yao is he holds the ball too d*** low where helping defenders can rip it away. He really needs to study some film of Kareem and start holding the ball up near his head. If he catches the ball and then holds it high out of everybody's reach he can look over his shoulder for cutters or open teammates at 3pt line or swing into his "jump"hook or turn into his fall-away. Instead he starts his moves w/the ball at his waist where the help defense can take it away.

The offensive problems begin w/a team that was assembled for JVG's pound it inside and kick out to open 3pt shooters is now being coached by a spread the ball around and get open by player movement coach. JVG molded Yao into a back-to-the-basket low post Center,Artest doesn't move w/out the ball,Battier and Alston hug the 3pt line,T-Mac only cuts off screens that will free him for a shot and Scola/Landry/Hayes have no 3pt shot so they just circle along the baseline. It's kind of hard to have an offense based on movement when nobody moves.