What to do with Yao's game if you were the coach?

[hackle]

it's obvious that Yao is unable to deliver it in the 4th. in a way he lost us the game against the hawks. but let's hold back the blames. the guy has good work ethics, maybe a bit coaching could set him off a better way? now here it's what I'll do if i were coaching:

1. try keep Yao on the bench for the entire 4th. overtone: he is not clutch.
2. try play Yao off the bench, play the entire 2nd and 3rd quarter, maybe a bit of 4th. overtone: Maybe he likes playing nonstop a lot better.
3. if 1 works out, then start yao and keep him play non-stop till he is fouled out or gassed out, then rest him.
4. if 2 works out, then start playing him from the 2nd or 3rd, till the game is over.

is it too stupid? or what will you do?

[ShaY]

Play him the whole 4th quarter , he will be great for the first 8 minutes.

Don't give him the ball in the last 2 minutes unless he has a mismatch or is having a very good night.

The refs barely call anything in the last 2 minutes , his defender can hack him and push him with 2 hands and Yao won't get the call , there fore he is too far away from the basket and is too slow to get a good shot with all the contact being allowed and the double teams.

Mcgrady should be our finisher not Yao.

[T-Wack]

Stop feeding him the ball in the post. He's not a go-to player. Not even close. I'd play him in the first half, then bench him. He can't last a whole game, and aside from that, he's mentally weak, so I don't want him out there in the fourth, anyway.

[Baller 24]

Talk to JVG.

[RocketsHero]

I would re-introduce Yao Ming to all the players in the locker room:

"Hi, this the Yao Ming, the best center (or second/third depending on who you ask) in the world. Please think of that before you shoot a air ball when there is 18 seconds on the clock"

[HTown_TMac]

Use him as a decoy.

[RocketsHero]

Use him as a decoy.

Yeah we did that today, it didn't work in this game

[HTown_TMac]

Use him as a decoy.

Yeah we did that today, it didn't work in this game

This is the game he was supposed to shoot.

[Iggyemu]

What Shay said....

And Yao really needs to develop a knock down jump shot. When he is on the floor he takes away driving lanes b/c of his size. If we could get him out of the paint it would allow Artest to post up and McGrady (whenever he gets himself together) to get inside and finish.

I think the main thing is for Yao's coaches to realize his limitations. IMO I don't think Adelman has. Yao is not a finisher...the game is too physical in the late in the 4th and he just doesn't deal with contact very well. If he had a legit jump shot similar to Big Z we would be able to get good shots against any defense down the stretch of games.

[RocketsHero]

Use him as a decoy.

Yeah we did that today, it didn't work in this game

This is the game he was supposed to shoot.

How would he know? I really don't think he has high enough basketball iq to decide when to be a decoy.

[ShaY]

What Shay said....

And Yao really needs to develop a knock down jump shot. When he is on the floor he takes away driving lanes b/c of his size. If we could get him out of the paint it would allow Artest to post up and McGrady (whenever he gets himself together) to get inside and finish.

I think the main thing is for Yao's coaches to realize his limitations. IMO I don't think Adelman has. Yao is not a finisher...the game is too physical in the late in the 4th and he just doesn't deal with contact very well. If he had a legit jump shot similar to Big Z we would be able to get good shots against any defense down the stretch of games.

Agree and I think Yao can have a good 12-15 feet short jumper , alot of his post moves end in fadeaways that he can make.

he just needs to feel comfortable with that shot and take it and not get out of his range.

[hackle]

What Shay said....

And Yao really needs to develop a knock down jump shot. When he is on the floor he takes away driving lanes b/c of his size. If we could get him out of the paint it would allow Artest to post up and McGrady (whenever he gets himself together) to get inside and finish.

I think the main thing is for Yao's coaches to realize his limitations. IMO I don't think Adelman has. Yao is not a finisher...the game is too physical in the late in the 4th and he just doesn't deal with contact very well. If he had a legit jump shot similar to Big Z we would be able to get good shots against any defense down the stretch of games.

I guess adelman is just another dumb stat reader, he thinks yao could deliver high FG in the 4th, for that he is shooting 50+% averagely? so he wants the boys to force the ball to him, which Yao easily turns over.

[hackle]

i believe that no bigs guys are asked to finish the game like Yao is asked to do? Duncan? O'neal? let alone with post plays.

[smapor]

lol do you know why this topic is brought up????

Because our best finisher isn't playing. LOL

A center is never going to be your best finisher, especially if you bring him in at the 4min mark.

Toronto he was gassed....
AGainst Cleveland he has 13 FT, but we lost
Wizards - once again Ric brought all the starters at the 5min mark in the 4th
toronto- lol blow out

Today - 4 min mark

i guess we forgot about the 21 wins and i guess Yao didn't do **** in those games.

Do you know what Ric did for those 21 wins, he had Yao in at the 8-9 min mark, not 5-4 min mark.

[hackle]

lol do you know why this topic is brought up????

Because our best finisher isn't playing. LOL

A center is never going to be your best finisher, especially if you bring him in at the 4min mark.

Toronto he was gassed....
AGainst Cleveland he has 13 FT, but we lost
Wizards - once again Ric brought all the starters at the 5min mark in the 4th
toronto- lol blow out

Today - 4 min mark

i guess we forgot about the 21 wins and i guess Yao didn't do **** in those games.

Do you know what Ric did for those 21 wins, he had Yao in at the 8-9 min mark, not 5-4 min mark.

i guess you are right, just dont let him finish. he can not do what he is not able to do. it's coaching man. a center can not finish.

[smapor]

lol do you know why this topic is brought up????

Because our best finisher isn't playing. LOL

A center is never going to be your best finisher, especially if you bring him in at the 4min mark.

Toronto he was gassed....
AGainst Cleveland he has 13 FT, but we lost
Wizards - once again Ric brought all the starters at the 5min mark in the 4th
toronto- lol blow out

Today - 4 min mark

i guess we forgot about the 21 wins and i guess Yao didn't do **** in those games.

Do you know what Ric did for those 21 wins, he had Yao in at the 8-9 min mark, not 5-4 min mark.

i guess you are right, just dont let him finish. he can not do what he is not able to do. it's coaching man. a center can not finish.

We never questioned who was our finisher ever since we got T-mac.

T-mac is our finisher and I want him to be our finisher, but he needs to lose that loser mentality.

With T-mac out, out best closer is going to be ARtest, because ARtest wants the ball.

With T-mac and ARtest out, we are forced to go to Yao. Personally if its 2-3 minutes left, we should keep playing our balanced offense, none of this isolation stuff. Cutters cut, no TO, and play some damn defense.

[Iggyemu]

I guess adelman is just another dumb stat reader, he thinks yao could deliver high FG in the 4th, for that he is shooting 50+% averagely? so he wants the boys to force the ball to him, which Yao easily turns over.

Force is the correct term. I think Adelman forces the ball to Yao in the 4th quarter and it hurts this team.

[hackle]

lol do you know why this topic is brought up????

Because our best finisher isn't playing. LOL

A center is never going to be your best finisher, especially if you bring him in at the 4min mark.

Toronto he was gassed....
AGainst Cleveland he has 13 FT, but we lost
Wizards - once again Ric brought all the starters at the 5min mark in the 4th
toronto- lol blow out

Today - 4 min mark

i guess we forgot about the 21 wins and i guess Yao didn't do **** in those games.

Do you know what Ric did for those 21 wins, he had Yao in at the 8-9 min mark, not 5-4 min mark.

i guess you are right, just dont let him finish. he can not do what he is not able to do. it's coaching man. a center can not finish.

We never questioned who was our finisher ever since we got T-mac.

T-mac is our finisher and I want him to be our finisher, but he needs to lose that loser mentality.

With T-mac out, out best closer is going to be ARtest, because ARtest wants the ball.

With T-mac and ARtest out, we are forced to go to Yao. Personally if its 2-3 minutes left, we should keep playing our balanced offense, none of this isolation stuff. Cutters cut, no TO, and play some damn defense.

it's just that adelman disorientated me, for more than once he let Yao have the ball in the last possession.

[hackle]

I guess adelman is just another dumb stat reader, he thinks yao could deliver high FG in the 4th, for that he is shooting 50+% averagely? so he wants the boys to force the ball to him, which Yao easily turns over.

Force is the correct term. I think Adelman forces the ball to Yao in the 4th quarter and it hurts this team.

it actually hurts Yao Ming too.

[grond]

Agree with what Shay and Iggyemu said.

Also, if I were Adelman I would go back to having Yao show on the pick-n-roll's like he used to under VG. Falling back isn't working. It's giving opponents the confidence to keep going to it and get all sorts of momentum. Then Yao gets all wound up, tries to make up for it offensively, and ends up going 0-for-a-million the rest of the game. If he gets tired showing on all those p'n'r's, play Deke for 15-20 a game and conserve his minutes.

And Yao really needs to develop a knock down jump shot.

Absolutely. The problem is he shows no inclination or ability (during games) to do so. When Adelman came I thought Yao would develop this shot because a) he needs it for Rick's system to keep the defense honest at the elbow, b) it's something new to add to his arsenal to make him better, therefore he should be interested in doing it and c) he's got the shooting touch to be decent from that range.

Quite frankly, I don't know why he hasn't. I did see a clip of him knocking down a ton of ~15ftrs in practice once, but in games ... nada. The only thing I can think of is that mentally he's too rigid to adapt his in-game behaviour and comfort levels at this stage of his career. I hope I'm wrong.