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Magic fan here.

1st i know many of you guys hate Luther Head. Dorsey i dont know how high or low you guys are on his immediate future.

The Magic are a guard short behind Jameer and Anthony Johnson (who many hate as much as you guys hate Luther), The Magic also SERIOUSLY lack an enforcer bruiser Danny Forston type player off the bench to be behind or to help Dwight grab boards angainst the more physical teams (aka Maxiell,Sheed & McDyess). Basically were missing that energy/tough guy that you need when things get a little rough.


Luther has been buried it seems and Dorsey looks way burying too. Houston and Orlando have a trading partners history, and giving your honest realistic opinions what would be the minimum it would take to grab these two guys?


Im thinking all we can offer (or willing to) that MIGHT even interest Houston a little would be Draft picks (albiet ours should end up high).

Keep in mind Orlando is right up under (somewhere around 1.5 under it) the lux tax and WILL NOT exceed it.

Players who's contracts would match as filler to make it with salary guidelines are :

PF Brian Cook (plus 1st and 2nd)
or
SG Bogans (Plus picks)
or
C M.Gortat (plus a 2nd) and M.Wilks (you just cut him, hes injured and minimum). Gortat would possibly be the best player in the deal, but we might do it because its 2 for 1 essentially.
or
Our Trade exception and a 2009 1st and 2nd rounder for Joey Dorsey.


Cook 1yr (+1 player option) @ 3.5m
Bogans 1yr @ 2.5m
Gortat 1yr @ 711k
Wilks 1yr @ 797k

I'd to Head and Dorsey for Cook and a 1st rounder.

jzmagik wrote:I'd to Head and Dorsey for Cook and a 1st rounder.

Let's do this!!

I would do Head and Dorsey for filler+1st rounder.

I was really high on Dorsey and still am but we clear some salary with Head and also can pick a nice prospect next year.

Dorsey is hurt thats why we haven't seen him (planter facilist ...i know i mispelled it) but he has the same thing mario williams had his rookie year ....And thats also why he won't be traded teams don't want damaged goods.

B.Diddy wrote:Dorsey is hurt thats why we haven't seen him (planter facilist ...i know i mispelled it) but he has the same thing mario williams had his rookie year ....And thats also why he won't be traded teams don't want damaged goods.

I thought he has been playing in the D-League?

I can only assume you followed Dorsey's college career because he hasn't gotten much burn this year at all. I think the Rockets would jump at Head + Dorsey for filler + a 1st or Head for a filler + a 2nd. Other than that it's hard to say what Dorsey's value is because he's completely unproven in the NBA thus far.

BaYBaller wrote:I can only assume you followed Dorsey's college career because he hasn't gotten much burn this year at all. I think the Rockets would jump at Head + Dorsey for filler + a 1st or Head for a filler + a 2nd. Other than that it's hard to say what Dorsey's value is because he's completely unproven in the NBA thus far.

Im not a "fan" or anything, im just familiar with his style and on court temperment. Im completely aware he basically hasnt touched the court for you guys. Im also aware Head had a decent/surprise rookie year and pretty much fell out a favor the last couple years.

The Magic dont need any of these two to turn into Superman, we have plenty of that..its just we still lack depth at these particular positions, and these two seem totally available for the taking without us having to give anything up.

I mean its just a first rounder which is basically a second rounder because we will likely be picking so late in the draft. Cook is our only long range perimeter threat besides Shard of our 4/5 spots but, we havent used him much anyways.

Pretty much a completely low risk trade. They both could actually fit a particular need for us when certain in game situations arise. If we got them and they both do nothing and its still no big deal. As far as the pick, we considered trading for a second for Dorsey since he had impressed during out=r draft workouts against other bigs.

Given Wafer and his superdupercheap contract, Head is close to 100% expendable. Hate to throw away Dorsey so fast, but it might be worth it to shed a couple mil.

I don't know much about the luxury tax, but won't acquiring Cook or Bogans put us over the luxury tax?
Earlier in the season, we traded Steve Francis along with a 2nd round pick to Memphis just to avoid the luxury tax.

If that isn't the case, I don't mind parting with Luther for an expiring contract and pick(s).

p.s.: I'm not a fan of Brian Cook and I'm not sure how he'll fit in with our somewhat fixed rotation.

Head is tradeable when we signed Barry
Dorsey is someone we are develop right now

Luther for an early 2nd/late 1st round pick would be more than fair. No need for filler. Give Morey a pick in that neighborhood and he'll somehow manage to move up to #16, while only giving up three stale Fritos and a piece of pocket lint.

Personally, I'd like to see Dorsey given a shot here, before he gets moved. (If only because he's fun to watch in summer league...and I enjoy fantasizing about seeing him commit a flagrant II on some Jazz player.)

T-Mac United wrote:I don't know much about the luxury tax, but won't acquiring Cook or Bogans put us over the luxury tax?
Earlier in the season, we traded Steve Francis along with a 2nd round pick to Memphis just to avoid the luxury tax.

If that isn't the case, I don't mind parting with Luther for an expiring contract and pick(s).

p.s.: I'm not a fan of Brian Cook and I'm not sure how he'll fit in with our somewhat fixed rotation.

Cook would add only about 600k.
If it were Bogans instead you save around 33,000 dolars.

None of these deals would be made for either team to get cap space, theres basically nothing to save or gain in terms of gaining flexibility or losing flexibility.

Its basically just a straight up, your two non impact nobodys for a 1st rounder and one of our non impact nobodys.

Ribalding wrote:Luther for an early 2nd/late 1st round pick would be more than fair. No need for filler. Give Morey a pick in that neighborhood and he'll somehow manage to move up to #16, while only giving up three stale Fritos and a piece of pocket lint.

Personally, I'd like to see Dorsey given a shot here, before he gets moved. (If only because he's fun to watch in summer league...and I enjoy fantasizing about seeing him commit a flagrant II on some Jazz player.)

We wouldnt give up a first for Luther alone. For one he wouldnt be playing he'd only be just incase insurance of Jameer and Anthony Johnson to play out the year and incase something happens in the playoffs. Two hes expiring.

There would be more of a probability of Dorsey getting some game burn then Head. We have Jameer,Lee,Pietrus,Bogans, Redick and Johnson ALL getting run as is, Luther would not be in the rotation unless something happened to Johnson or Jameer.

The verdict is still out of Dorsey but Head has had his time here and I am not impressed by his overall body of work.

Don't you guys have a trade exception?

Would Dorsey+Head for a 1st and a trade excpetion work?

Or maybe do it as 2 seperate trades.

ShaY wrote:Don't you guys have a trade exception?

Would Dorsey+Head for a 1st and a trade excpetion work?

Or maybe do it as 2 seperate trades.

Yeah we do but If we used it, Head couldnt be included because his 1.97 alone would throw us over the tax line. We could do it for Dorsey (860k) and stay under (barely). Its just eaiser with salary filler though.

I understand , as long as we don't go over the luxury tax either I like Head+Dorsey for filler and a 1st.

Brian Cook is pretty worthless,sorry.
Dorsey isn't ready to play consistant minutes.
But,if Orl was willing to give up Gortat...Head,Hayes for Gortat,Reddick,Wilks and a second.
(Hayes can play right now,not much upside,but a nice defensive complement for Howard. Other teams bigs don't intimidate him.)

But if Orlando called w/an offer of Dorsey,Hou 09 Second for TE and Orl's 09 First,Dorsey would be on the team jet before Otis hung up.

tisbee wrote:Brian Cook is pretty worthless,sorry.
Dorsey isn't ready to play consistant minutes.
But,if Orl was willing to give up Gortat...Head,Hayes for Gortat,Reddick,Wilks and a second.
(Hayes can play right now,not much upside,but a nice defensive complement for Howard. Other teams bigs don't intimidate him.)

But if Orlando called w/an offer of Dorsey,Hou 09 Second for TE and Orl's 09 First,Dorsey would be on the team jet before Otis hung up.

Dude. were 33 and 9. Were not trading players that are in our PLAYING ROTATION for situational 3rd string fill out holes in the roster guys. We DEFINATELY are not going over the luxury tax for guys that arent going to play significant minutes anyways. We dont want Chuck Hayes and his 2 mill a yr for 3 years.

All we want is to fill two 3rd string/situational holes for cheap. If we were gonna pay that much we'd go after somebody a lot better for us than Hayes.