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NBA Stats and Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:22 pm
by moofs
I'm tired of trying to chase all these down.
Post all your links to stats resources here.
I stole this one off a lookup from a KevC mention
http://books.google.com/books?id=Xh2iSG ... t#PPR10,M1(I'd like a site that actively details some of the stats mentioned there, as opposed to doing so in an archival way)
Wages of Wins
http://dberri.wordpress.com/ (I could, and have, read dberri all day)
And of course 82games, which I'm sure everyone knows about by now
http://www.82games.com/Fun with BR Stats
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=975911Feel free to add any notes about things you look for in your stats analyses, maybe links to some Bill James or something.
Re: NBA Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:26 pm
by Baller 24
www.basketball-reference.com All kinds of voting (MVP, ROY, DPOY), head to head match ups, advanced statistics such has defensive rating, offensive rating, win shares, steals percentage, rebounding rate, pace, basically good stuff which indicates a lot of the statistics that will show the true value of the player on both sides.
Re: NBA Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:37 pm
by TMACFORMVP
basketball-reference is the best site on the planet. Has literally every stat of every player.
apbr.org is also nice, they're getting stats from the pre-60's era in case anyone's interested, lol. Not too mention, they have a section in the forums of older players career high, which is somewhat harder to find (ex. Moncrief's career high being 44, and IIRC Heinsohn's being 55, etc).
Re: NBA Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:45 pm
by kevC
Moofs,
Dean Oliver has a website that pretty much has all the information from the book on it.
http://www.rawbw.com/~deano/ 
Re: NBA Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:08 pm
by abcdef
http://webuns.chez-alice.fr/home.htmThis site has NBA Finals boxscores from older games that are not found on BBR.
http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/newgf.cgiThis site has gameflow information for current games; it shows the whole game, who played when, what each player did each stint, and how the team did in each player's stint. It's updated every night.
http://www.nba.com/hotspots/Also updated every night, this site charts the shots from each player from various area from the floor.
Re: NBA Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:23 pm
by TMACFORMVP
abcdef wrote:http://webuns.chez-alice.fr/home.htm
This site has NBA Finals boxscores from older games that are not found on BBR.
Wow, that's pretty nice.
Re: NBA Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:33 pm
by TMU
I think most of the available resources have been mentioned already.
Anyway,
Introduces Tendex Rating which is basically a different form of the PER.
http://www.dougstats.com/Not a stat site, but an archive of all transactions including draft picks.
http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/
Re: NBA Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:36 pm
by RaoulDuke79
http://www.zombo.comShut up, everything else was already mentioned.
Re: NBA Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:45 pm
by moofs
Re: NBA Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:07 pm
by moofs
Now that we have some resources, it might be a good idea as well to start listing nonstandard stats, how they are derived, the source of them (if applicable) and what they're intended to be good for. Any takers?
Re: NBA Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:02 pm
by moofs
Here is a fun breakdown of last night's game.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-3 ... -Odds.htmlThe root site isn't really stats oriented, but looks a nice aggregation blog (on ESPN of all places) that has some good links (some of which are)
http://myespn.go.com/nba/truehoop
Re: NBA Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:05 pm
by moofs
Re: NBA Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:35 pm
by Baller 24
http://www.apbr.org/That's a site that not a lot of people know about, it's where true statisticians have their sites listed. Actually the owner of bball reference posts on there, also they have this awesome statistical database.
Enjoy
Re: NBA Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 1, 2009 1:29 am
by TMACFORMVP
Most interesting thread on there HAS to be:
http://www.apbr.org/forum/viewtopic.php ... highlight=career highs of all the older players in all major categories, includes playoff career highs too.
Re: NBA Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Tue Mar 3, 2009 6:17 pm
by moofs
A nice quote from truehoop for those who think stats are wrong and dumb
Now, read carefully. What I am NOT saying, and really just about nobody is saying, is that new statistics are anywhere close to good enough to replace being a knowledgeable observer of basketball, and watching yourself.
What new statistics are plenty good enough to do, however, is to replace the old statistics. Points and rebounds have always been measured ... why? Because they are the most important things in basketball? No. They have always been measured because ... they are easy to measure.
I think basketball analysis in 2009 is like medicine in 1900. It's new, and some of it is crackpot. Yes, there is probably more dogma then their ought to be from the true believers, but also too much skepticism from the old guard. Even more than a century later, you can make a case that some modern medicine is harmful.
I don't much trust doctors by default either. The difference, I suppose, is to have a willingness to let them make their case about why what they recommend is needed and how they know it.
Re: NBA Stats and Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Tue Mar 3, 2009 6:27 pm
by moofs
Age Adjusted Defensive Stats
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/3/2/773 ... ws-minds-a(after reading that, I still think Hollinger is wrong, a
lot)
What drives this? Who knows? Maybe everyone arrives in the league expecting to make highlight reel offensive moves, while older player realize they want to win, and focus on boring things like D. Maybe players who don't defend well don't last very long in the NBA, so there's improvement with age by natural selection, if you will. Maybe some elements of defense are secrets that take years to learn. Maybe veterans make so much money that it's worth doing just about anything to impress coaches, be irreplaceable, and extend their careers.
I agree most with his natural selection and pacing points, but have no doubt that the others are involved
Re: NBA Stats and Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Thu Mar 5, 2009 10:46 pm
by TMU
moofs wrote:Age Adjusted Defensive Stats
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/3/2/773 ... ws-minds-a(after reading that, I still think Hollinger is wrong, a
lot)
What drives this? Who knows? Maybe everyone arrives in the league expecting to make highlight reel offensive moves, while older player realize they want to win, and focus on boring things like D. Maybe players who don't defend well don't last very long in the NBA, so there's improvement with age by natural selection, if you will. Maybe some elements of defense are secrets that take years to learn. Maybe veterans make so much money that it's worth doing just about anything to impress coaches, be irreplaceable, and extend their careers.
I agree most with his natural selection and pacing points, but have no doubt that the others are involved
Great analysis.
The real question begins with the 18% correlation. Is that considered too low or acceptable? This could be answered if we can speculate what the other 82% accounts for. Most people will agree that player skills and coaching (both are almost impossible to measure) are the most significant, but it would be interesting to know how age compares to those factors.
Re: NBA Stats and Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 6, 2009 2:50 pm
by moofs
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages ... /index.jspJust found Devin Harris' contract listed there when it wasn't at hoopshype.
Re: NBA Stats and Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 6, 2009 3:52 pm
by TMU
moofs wrote:http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/index.jsp
Just found Devin Harris' contract listed there when it wasn't at hoopshype.
Good site, and a very reasonable contract for Devin Harris.
Re: NBA Stats and Statistical Resources Link Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:11 pm
by Alepphe
hy everyone
does anybody have an idea where i can find stats for tip off,who are the best tip off players and so on.
thx.