Carl Landry

[Miller4ever]

As a curious Pacers fan, how untradeable is the young Carl Landry?

[bubba]

pretty untradeable. unless you wanna give us granger?

[moofs]

Nah, and really I wouldn't trade him for Granger (don't think the position switch fits well - and it's about fit, not talent - and pretty sure the salaries don't... though hoopshype's list of Granger's salary is weird), but he's more tradable than Scola, and would likely need to be part of a package for a pretty good piece given his high efficiency and hustle. Our forwards are probably our second strongest position, maybe even our first, and have been behind a good number of our wins. I'd think we're reluctant to mess with any of them unless it's a really good deal.

Oh, and after reading this Simmons article, it sounds like there's no way any team in the league is taking on any salary whatsoever anytime soon, and Landry is a cheap, very effective contract and we're already strapped with McGrady. Gonna be hard to replace Landry's production with 3 mil without a draft pick being heavily involved.

[Baller 24]

--Granger would be perfect if Morey wants Artest out in the off season. He's just a more efficient scoring version of Tmac, oh and did I mention he's very clutch? I'd love Granger personally, I'm a big fan, though I'd rather have Durant


Anyways, yeah I don't really like anything I see looking at the roster, and I highly doubt Indiana would speak to us about Granger, they'd prolly hang up the phone.

[HTown_TMac]

Moofs hit it on the head.

[Vator]

--Granger would be perfect if Morey wants Artest out in the off season. He's just a more efficient scoring version of Tmac, oh and did I mention he's very clutch? I'd love Granger personally, I'm a big fan, though I'd rather have Durant


Anyways, yeah I don't really like anything I see looking at the roster, and I highly doubt Indiana would speak to us about Granger, they'd prolly hang up the phone.

Pobably hang up the phone? They would most definitely hang up the phone and then block our number.

[BaYBaller]

You're crazy moofs I would do Granger for Landry + filler in a blink of the eye, not that IND would do it. It's not always about talent but when you are talking about the talent disparity with Granger and Landry it is. Even if you didn't want Granger the returns you could get on him from another team would more than outweigh any "fit" needs you might have.

You are right though it'd take quite a bit to pry Landry because of his production on such a cheap contract. If we did trade him I imagine he'd probably be in some sort of package that included a star or semi-star or some to unload T-Mac's contract or something like that.

[MaxRider]

I rather keep Artest and Landry instead of Granger. Granger is a rising superstar. He is going to get his max contract next (I don't think he deserves the max though). Artest is at a stage where he will do anything to win. Landry contract is just right. Two serviceable players are much better. Especially for a team with so many injured history.

[TMACFORMVP]

Landry is tradeable IMO, we have Hayes/Scola, but we like what he brings to our team. I generally agree with moofs, but if we could get DANNY GRANGER for him, then you run and take it.

Unfortunately us getting Granger would have as much a chance of us acquiring LeBron. Granger is one of the top scorers in the league, and a deadly three point shooter, he's clutch, and an underrated ability to get to the line. He's efficient and one of the better defenders in the league, both weakside and man to man. Granger isn't just the best player on his team, he's one of the best players in the NBA.

In a generally fair deal, I'm not sure there's a deal that would please both sides.

[moofs]

You're crazy moofs I would do Granger for Landry + filler in a blink of the eye, not that IND would do it. It's not always about talent but when you are talking about the talent disparity with Granger and Landry it is. Even if you didn't want Granger the returns you could get on him from another team would more than outweigh any "fit" needs you might have.

You are right though it'd take quite a bit to pry Landry because of his production on such a cheap contract. If we did trade him I imagine he'd probably be in some sort of package that included a star or semi-star or some to unload T-Mac's contract or something like that.

I'm looking largely at finances in saying he's a bad fit. To phrase it another way, I can't see holding Granger's contract, with the limitations a max contract provides, WITH McGrady's contract. If T-Mac wasn't holding us out to dry financially, Granger's contract wouldn't hamstring us into his presence on the team creating a bad fit. I could be totally off on that, but the numbers just don't seem to work.

Either way, a Granger-Landry trade wasn't the OP's question. The latter part of my response addresses that, which you agreed with. You also tossed in the tmac-inclusion part, which is something else I thought about, before reading the Simmons article and realizing that like the Francis contract, we're likely to be stuck with it. I'll be happy if, also like the Francis contract, that doesn't happen.

[Iggyemu]

If the #s were ever to work out I would be very much in favor of getting Troy Murphy for Landry. He has size..can board and can shoot even if that contract is highly outrageous.

[Guy986]

I would not trade Carl Landry for Troy Murphy even if their salaries somehow matched. Murphy is like a glorified Brian Cook but slower. The guy is so slow, he would not be able to play with Yao.

Jeff Foster on the other hand...

[aznkillabeezZz]

He is tradeable since we can win without him and scola plays better when he gets more minutes on the floor.

The only way you can lure him to indy is take some head/or cook and landry for your first round pick, and some expirings

[PocketRockets]

Landry tradeable? Yes

To the Pacers? No

Sure we could trade him to IND for a pick but why would we? We have a known product and would be trading for someone that "might" be good. Also, his contract is relatively low, so I don't see much benefit in expirings.

[BaYBaller]

I would not trade Carl Landry for Troy Murphy even if their salaries somehow matched. Murphy is like a glorified Brian Cook but slower. The guy is so slow, he would not be able to play with Yao.

Jeff Foster on the other hand...

Totally agree. I also follow GSW and Troy Murphy is a bad player on an even worse contract. GSW fans were estatic when we got rid of him (and the team got a lot better after they did).

[tisbee]

Landry is very tradeable. In fact I think he will be traded.
Scola is getting more minutes and deserving them. If Dorsey can contribute next yr,that's more of Landry's minutes gone. Hayes has recently shown he can pass out of the hi-post so he's prob staying.
Maarty Leunen is shooting lights out in Europe-almost 50% on 3s-and it's very possible he'll be brought in next yr,and as a Second Rd pick he'll be very inexpensive.
If someone w/cap room offered a late First for Landry,I think the Rockets would be ecstatic. More likely he'll be traded for a wing.

As to Indiana,there's really only 3 realistic options:
Landry for Jack. Not happening.
Landry,Cook for Foster. Fills a Houston need,shaves a few bucks off Hou payroll. But Foster's contract runs into 2010,so unlikely.
Landry,Cook for Marquis Daniels. Trade I would do as Daniels would be great fit in Adelman's offense off bench. But I doubt Rockets would do it both because Daniels is always getting hurt and they would be adding some $800thou to payroll.
All in all,I'd say that while Landry is certainly available,there just isn't a good trade to be made w/Indiana. Sorry.

[moofs]

Scola is getting more minutes and deserving them. If Dorsey can contribute next yr,that's more of Landry's minutes gone. Hayes has recently shown he can pass out of the hi-post so he's prob staying.

Hayes is also cheaper and a better defender. Scola's only been eating into Landry's minutes because he's not shooting well this month for whatever reason. .438 vs his normal 52-56%. Even with that his minutes are only down about 20%, and last month was a high in minutes for him this season, so nothing too major. He's only off his normal average by about 2 minutes.

Maarty Leunen is shooting lights out in Europe-almost 50% on 3s-and it's very possible he'll be brought in next yr,and as a Second Rd pick he'll be very inexpensive.

Could well be. I'd like to have a useful version of Novak.

If someone w/cap room offered a late First for Landry,I think the Rockets would be ecstatic.

Would that be around 17-24? Don't really see this one unless they want to cut salary or think he's going to get reinjured.

[tisbee]

Moofs,
Even before Landry was hurt Scola was getting the end of game minutes that used to be Landry's. And while Dosey will prob get more of Hayes' minutes,he'll also get some of Landry's as well.(Again assuming he can play.)

Under normal circumstances having a quality PF getting 1-20min/game making $3mil/yr would be a heck of a good bargain. I just don't think the next couple of yrs will be normal. W/out even thinking about re-signing Artest,Wafer and letting Head walk,the Rockets have some $64mil in salaries for just 11 players and a Lux Tax at $69mil next yr.(I'm assuming Cook will excercise his option-he'd be an idiot not to-and that his salary is guaranteed.)
The 09/10 contracts have the Rockets w/6 C/PFs(and most PFs-Yao,Cook,Scola,Landry,Hayes,Dorsey),2 PGs and just 3 wings(McGrady,Battier,Barry). Even if the team buys a First,they still need 2 more wings and not much in the way of salary to spend.
While the team would prob love to dump Cook,there's little chance they can unload him on somebody for nothing. Landry however has a fairly good value and for a team under the cap w/an extra First,might just be seen as a good deal. And the Rockets would be glad to get the extra $3mil in salary room and the First would be icing on the cake. A late First could still net a young player who could be developed into a decent rotation player. The team isn't looking for starters,but depth for the bench.
What I think-and I've been way so wrong so often this yr is Landry,Cook and cash get packaged for a wing and a cheap big.

On the whole I'm conflicted on Landry. He will show flashes and can get the crowd-and team-fired up,but still disappears too often. In a strange way I think he's the one Rocket who was hurt the most by the team getting Artest. Carl showed some nice scoring moves and a nice jumper,but Artest so thoroughly dominated the ball w/the second unit that Carl never got enough touches to show his improving offensive skills.
Landry seems like a great 4rth big who brings energy and excitement off the bench. I just question whether the Rockets can keep him when they have some big holes at the SG/SF spots.

[tisbee]

Memphis will be way under cap and has a 2010 Lakers First,as well as 09 Orlando First.
Minn would be another just under cap(on a delayed trade) and has 09 Boston,Utah Firsts and 2010 Miami,Dallas Firsts. (Could also pick up Carney's option and straight trade Landry for Carney. Carney has no 3pt shot but he defends run,drives,would fit Adelman's O and would make part of a great running second unit w/Lowry,perhaps Wafer and Dorsey. Just a thought.)
OKC again could do the delayed trade and have 09 Denver,SA Firsts.

So there are teams who could trade for Landry and afford to give up a late First. Prob won't,but could. And the Rockets prob could just buy a late First if they want to.

[Miller4ever]

How about Carl Landry + Cook + 2nd for Foster + 1st Round?