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I like this, David Stern, you implemented a policy that sucks, (Like your stupid dress code!) and people found a way around it. Now all (OK A lot) of the young talent will start going Pro in Europe, and then nominate for the draft later on. So players who want to make bank straight away, are being given an avenue to do so.

Now I am being purely speculative here, and am quite happy to be corrected on this point, but the American Education system, is not what it once was. And we all know that some players in college, are taking B.S. courses, and are really just there to play sport, (be it Basketball, Baseball, whatever.) So I ask, what is the point of forcing a person to go to college, when it is obvious that some people only need a High School education.

Kinda makes a mockery of the NBA's "Read to Achieve" program. As long as I can read my Bank balance, who needs reading?

And I am interested in the interpretation of the so called "dress code" something I want clarified is content, now I believe the rules state you must wear a jacket and pants if not in "Game Uniform" but is there any stipulation on this. Say a player wanted to protest, could they wear, ripped pants, and a white shirt buttoned up wrong, spray painted in slogans criticizing the NBA dress code? because they would technically be in a shirt and pants. More criminals wear suits than street clothes.

kam_soluusar wrote:I like this, David Stern, you implemented a policy that sucks, (Like your stupid dress code!) and people found a way around it. Now all (OK A lot) of the young talent will start going Pro in Europe, and then nominate for the draft later on. So players who want to make bank straight away, are being given an avenue to do so.

Now I am being purely speculative here, and am quite happy to be corrected on this point, but the American Education system, is not what it once was. And we all know that some players in college, are taking B.S. courses, and are really just there to play sport, (be it Basketball, Baseball, whatever.) So I ask, what is the point of forcing a person to go to college, when it is obvious that some people only need a High School education.

Kinda makes a mockery of the NBA's "Read to Achieve" program. As long as I can read my Bank balance, who needs reading?

And I am interested in the interpretation of the so called "dress code" something I want clarified is content, now I believe the rules state you must wear a jacket and pants if not in "Game Uniform" but is there any stipulation on this. Say a player wanted to protest, could they wear, ripped pants, and a white shirt buttoned up wrong, spray painted in slogans criticizing the NBA dress code? because they would technically be in a shirt and pants. More criminals wear suits than street clothes.

its the older white demographic,that hates thehip hop culture and affiliate it with gangster rap,so these racists thinks all blacks dress like gangsters,which is really ignorant,stupid and racist. hip hop doesnt = gangster.thats what this demographic cant understand,and the white kids are wearing the hip hop gear too,thas what they cant stand.

I agree wholeheartedly that it was a BS stipulation. and as I said, more criminals wear suits than street clothes. Maybe the players, (All of them would have to do it) could protest by refusing to wear a suit. Stern isn't going to suspend the whole league.

I like the idea of embarressing Stern, wear really offensive suits, ones with Swear words on them. This way, the player can turn around and say, "Hey, I'm in a jacket and pants." then he will have to revise the rule, which would have to receive player approval. They Veto it, then he is left with no option but to abolish this senseless rule!

Perhaps someone should tell Kommandant Stern, that Rap is now the highest selling form of music in America. He's all about the Benjamins, so maybe he will change the rules, and make it opposite, you have to dress like a rapper/Gangster. or wear street clothes.

kam_soluusar wrote:I like this, David Stern, you implemented a policy that sucks, (Like your stupid dress code!) and people found a way around it. Now all (OK A lot) of the young talent will start going Pro in Europe, and then nominate for the draft later on. So players who want to make bank straight away, are being given an avenue to do so.

Now I am being purely speculative here, and am quite happy to be corrected on this point, but the American Education system, is not what it once was. And we all know that some players in college, are taking B.S. courses, and are really just there to play sport, (be it Basketball, Baseball, whatever.) So I ask, what is the point of forcing a person to go to college, when it is obvious that some people only need a High School education.

Kinda makes a mockery of the NBA's "Read to Achieve" program. As long as I can read my Bank balance, who needs reading?

And I am interested in the interpretation of the so called "dress code" something I want clarified is content, now I believe the rules state you must wear a jacket and pants if not in "Game Uniform" but is there any stipulation on this. Say a player wanted to protest, could they wear, ripped pants, and a white shirt buttoned up wrong, spray painted in slogans criticizing the NBA dress code? because they would technically be in a shirt and pants. More criminals wear suits than street clothes.

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cool thing about this kid going overseas to play is he will be eligable for the NBA Draft next year. There is a rule that said if a player comes from overseas and he played professionally over there he is eligable for the NBA draft. No matter how old he is!!!!

I can understand the frustration of the talented youngsters. I can understand that it is a rule that affects disproportionately more people whom are not white versus white. I definitely see that Americans do see higher ed as a means to get a career, and not something that is good inherently by itself. With that assumption, those whom are prepared to partake in a career should do so as soon as possible.

I find Stern's policy of an age limit to be a mediocre implementation of an otherwise well intentioned idea. Being 19 versus 18 doesn't make much of a difference. One year of maturation is not going to make someone fall in love with school, if they had no prior inclination before hand. Even if one does see the value of school, one year of schooling is hardly going to begin touching on the skills an athlete would really appreciate in his professional career.

However, I think Stern's policy stems from seeing many kids whom see the NBA as the panacea to all their financial woes and that said kids fall victim to urgings from others to push them to this decision. Most of these kids don't get drafted, and once declared for the draft, they can't play in college anymore to show case their abilities to prove scouts wrong.

Going to college or going to Europe, even for one year, does provide some perspective to just how good you have to be in order to succeed in the professional level. Ideally, (OJ Mayo excluded), putting a kid in college can yank him away from overzealous agents, biased family giving him bad advice, and a little bit of time to reflect on their own as to what they want with their lives.

David Stern, and the rest of the owners pushed for this for good reason. Kids who have the talent but lacking the fundamentals right away can go to college and have 3 separate chances to dabble their feet in their draft without hiring an agent. They have better access to NBA scouts and better access to people and facilities to improve their games.

Ultimately, if Stern did not see that putting an age limit would benefit the overall game of the league, then he wouldn't do it. The overall quality of the game and the marketability of its players is what the NBA is selling, and having some college, says Stern, is better than the game than no college for most players.

Speaking of which, those whom are saying otherwise, have you seen Hoop Dreams?

I dont think this is a NBA issue but more of a NCAA issue. They really got scared when the Top players coming out of High school where going Pro rather than playing 2 or 3 years in the NCAA. So they got with Dave and worked somthing out. It is my thought that if a player goes pro regardless of his age if a NBA Team drafts him and he is not ready that is that teams problem.For every Lebron there is a Leon Smith. You can not blame a kid going pro if they can make that kind of money. ( White, Black ASIAN or whatever the Race) And lets be frank this is not about what is best for the NBA or the Player it is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$l.

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What is good for the NBA is very much measured in dollars. What is good for the player is also measured in dollars. If there was a conflict of interest between early draftees, the NCAA and the NBA, it's really about who gets the money, cause it's bound to go to somebody.

I don't think it's just an NCAA issue. The NBA has much interest in seeing player development occur as early as possible, since the sooner you can market your product, the more money you make. The NCAA has functioned as a farm system for the NBA since it was the NBL and early draftees, for awhile, sought to bypass the farm system, which ultimately hurts the NBA because now the NBA teams have to divert personnel to train younger, less sophisticated players as well as prepare their veterans for a long season.

The healthy compromise (intentional or not) as you stated really awards the NBA, the NCAA and the potenial players. Most NBA ready players may be spotted as an early bird but there is still an enormous amount of player development and personal growth that occurs between 18 and 22. Carl Landry didn't suit up for the rockets until he was 24, Rodman did not suit up for the pistons till he was, IIRC, 26.

It's not just the team's problem if the player doesn't work out. A player who washes out is unlikely to come back, despite having the talent, since he can go elsewhere and make the money on another continent. That's the league's loss down the road, since the players contributions are fielded elsewhere. I don't blame kids for trying to make money, I'd love to have the opportunity to try, but I can see why the NBA would actively discourage that practice. If a player, when could have made it doesn't, that means they have to find someone else who is less talented to take his spot. This hurts the teams and league in the long run, a perspective of the game where The Commish is immensely famous for.

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