Toronto/Houston Trade Idea

xxPrimierxx · Post #1 » by **xxPrimierxx** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:19 pm

Toronto Recieves:
Tracy McGrady
Kyle Lowry

Houston Recieves:
Jose Calderon
Antoine Wright
Amir Johnson
Marco Belinelli

Why Houston does it?
Simply because they get rid of McGrady (whom is REALLY hated down south) and get some good role players to put around Yao and the developing Ariza.

We lose some of our fan favorites, especially for Toronto fans. We have man crushes on almost all of our Mediocre Players. We do it because we feel that Lowry can become a good Back up to Jarret Jack (whom is neck and neck with Calderon by the way) and McGrady can help us advance in the playoffs.

You Get Jose Calderon who is a solid starting point guard and creator. Plays AMAZING half court ball and will work well with Adelmans system. Believe me, the only reason we would offer him in a trade is because he cant play the run and gun system Bryan Colangelo is molding the Raptors into.

You also get a SOLID defender in Antoine Wright and Amir Johnson was a definite STEAL from the Bucks this year. He is in a contract year explaining his amazing 10/10 future. Possibly a 15/10 future.

Marco Belinelli is Marco Belinelli. A bit of a streaky shooter, but if you play him at the 2 and Ariza at the 3, thats a very deadly combo. (Especially in crunch time)

Its a win-win for both teams.

What do you guys say?

HTown_TMac · Post #2 » by **HTown_TMac** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:22 pm

didnt read that...

No bosh, no deal

Lowry > anyone in that trade

Alex_De_Large · Post #3 » by **Alex_De_Large** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:24 pm

i really want bosh to come, then he cames back next year instead of yao.

xxPrimierxx · Post #4 » by **xxPrimierxx** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:29 pm

Well then read it.
If you realistically think about it, this is probably the best "Good Offer" youll get from anyone around the league. Personally, I favor Calderon,Wright,Johnson and Belinelli over Salmons,Gibson and Brad Miller.

HTown_TMac wrote:didnt read that...

No bosh, no deal

Lowry > anyone in that trade

jove9 · Post #5 » by **jove9** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:32 pm

We don't really need Calderon. We have some guy named Brooks who plays point for us.

red96 · Post #6 » by **red96** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:53 pm

xxPrimierxx I counter you with

TMAC
Nicionli

FOR

Bosh
Jose
Turk

I know we dont have Noci on our roster but we could make this happen in a trade.
You get rid of your biggest and worst contracts and start rebuilding with an alot of cap space. If you realistically think about it, this is probably the best "Good Offer" youll get from anyone around the league. Taking both Calderon and Turk's contracts in 1 swoop for a player who's (more than likely) leaving you for free this offseason. Without Bosh your rebuilding if you like it or not. The ? is how will TOR rebuild effectively with Jose and Turk on the books for 4 and 5 more years? Good luck with that? How many teams are lining up for Calderon and Turk right now?

Post #7 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:39 am

xxPrimierxx wrote:Well then read it.
If you realistically think about it, this is probably the best "Good Offer" youll get from anyone around the league. Personally, I favor Calderon,Wright,Johnson and Belinelli over Salmons,Gibson and Brad Miller.

I like Salmons, and Miller more honestly speaking. We have no use for Calderon, he would play behind Brooks, and we really like what Lowry has brought to the team so far. Johnson won't play behind either Scola, or Landry, and Wright wouldn't get minutes over Budinger. Marco is really the only one of some use, and that's not better than a potential Chicago offer that would bring us a C that's proven under Adelman's system, and as much as Salmons is struggling, a player that does more than Belinelli brings to the table.

kdizzle · Post #8 » by **kdizzle** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:03 am

HTown_TMac wrote:didnt read that...

No bosh, no deal

Lowry > anyone in that trade

Lol pls. Im pretty sure raptor fans would love to keep Calderon over Lowry.

Rendezvous · Post #9 » by **Rendezvous** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:08 am

kdizzle wrote:
HTown_TMac wrote:didnt read that...

No bosh, no deal

Lowry > anyone in that trade

Lol pls. Im pretty sure raptor fans would love to keep Calderon over Lowry.

Then those Raptor fans are retards!

kdizzle · Post #10 » by **kdizzle** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:21 am

DiamondX wrote:
kdizzle wrote:
HTown_TMac wrote:didnt read that...

No bosh, no dealhttp://www.realgm.com/boards/postin ... p=21774584

Lowry > anyone in that trade

Lol pls. Im pretty sure raptor fans would love to keep Calderon over Lowry.

Then those Raptor fans are retards!

LOL!

Classic homerism from the houston faithful. Lets compare stats.

Current Season Avg.
FG% FT% Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
Calderon: 51.5 78.7 6.2 1.6 0.7 0.2 2.4 11.7
Lowry:3.6 4.7 1.8 1.2 0.2 2.6 8.4

kdizzle · Post #11 » by **kdizzle** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:23 am

DiamondX wrote:
kdizzle wrote:
HTown_TMac wrote:didnt read that...

No bosh, no dealhttp://www.realgm.com/boards/postin ... p=21774584

Lowry > anyone in that trade

Lol pls. Im pretty sure raptor fans would love to keep Calderon over Lowry.

Then those Raptor fans are retards!

LOL!

Classic homerism from the houston faithful. Lets compare stats.

Current Season Avg.
FG% FT% Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
Calderon: 51.5 78.7 6.2 1.6 0.7 0.2 2.4 11.7
Lowry: 38.9 77.5 4.7 1.8 1.2 0.2 2.6 8.4

LOL!

spolgar · Post #12 » by **spolgar** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:26 am

I wish people would look at our roster, think about what we need before they propose trades.

We've got serviceable to great point guards, power forwards and small forwards.

We have a pretty alright bench.

We have inconsistent goto scorers down the stretch, which needs to be improved.

I'd like one more slashing go to scorer. Salmons fits the bill. He also does okay on 3pt shooting. I'm somewhat perturbed that Chicago is willing to let a 18 pt/game scorer go, as I was with Sac. I know of no locker room or coaching problems he might have, but I'm just an ordinary guy.

Height and/or shot blocking would be gravy.

spolgar · Post #13 » by **spolgar** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:48 am

kdizzle wrote:
LOL!

Classic homerism from the houston faithful. Lets compare stats.

Current Season Avg.
FG% FT% Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
Calderon: 51.5 78.7 6.2 1.6 0.7 0.2 2.4 11.7
Lowry: 38.9 77.5 4.7 1.8 1.2 0.2 2.6 8.4

LOL!

Lowry is our best defender in the pg position. He's also strong as hell, decent handles, good court vision, plus he plays well in Adelman's system. To trade a past first pg for another is fine, but that reboots the team chemistry almost completely.

Besides, Lowry's minutes are inconsistent. Calderon has been a starting point guard in this league since Alston left Toronto. That would be after 2004 IIRC. Lowry is a super sub, comparing stats between those two is somewhat apple and oranges.

To say that Lowry is better than Calderon is a mistake. Calderon was a top 15 pg in the league. Maybe he has fallen off, but he's also coming off of injury. It is arguable that Lowry may make it into that bracket one day, but he's not there now. But for us to give up Lowry means we give up defense in the pg position, and with Calderon's ability to generate offense hampered by his lack of familiarity with Adelman's system. To extrapolate +/-s, it is likely to me that Lowry's defense does more for the point differential in our favor than Calderon's ability to score.

Turk's step back jumper is nice. His height and length are good and he's a pretty good point forward. I loved watching him be a playmaker when he played for Orlando. But he's not gonna get enough burn with Budinger, Battier and Ariza. Also he really likes the ball in his hands as a primary playmaker, which is something you never do playing Princeton. Besides, his game really shined with Dwight Howard and Lewis and his stats decreased when he moved to Toronto, and I don't expect it to go back when he comes to Houston.

Amir Johnson will have no chance to develop if he has to share minutes with our Triceratops of power forwards.

There, broke it down for you. Those are good players, but unfortunately they are not players that Houston would be coveting under their current system and line up.

Guy986 · Post #14 » by **Guy986** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:05 am

rocketsballin · Post #15 » by **rocketsballin** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:24 am

my 2 cents about lowry/jose...id rather have jose than lowry. jose's offense makes up for his lack of defense. better 3pt shooter/play maker/creator for others. his playmaking can help a lot in crunch time or a close game or w/e it is, you can say goodbye to those terrible 2nd half/3rd quarters/closing out games, can also say goodbye to houstons pg defense, which would be more than made up for.

also for yao to beat the fronting defense he needs an above average passer to make that post entry pass. tmac and rafer were capable of that but now they're gone, and since then there hasnt been that good of a passer on this team. since this team doesnt have a real go to scorer other than yao, it's extremely important the team has that kind of a passer (should work on that this offseason or w/ the tmac trade)

but for the trade i wouldnt do it, too many wings, team doesnt need wings unless its a 20pt scoring wing. have enough defense w/ battier/ariza and chase is no where near bad on defense. team needs offense. jose is good but the wing guys arent and would be a waste to have them on the team.

rocketsballin · Post #16 » by **rocketsballin** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:28 am

also amir is heavily foul prone. having his best year but in 17min gets 3.4 fpg. not a steal imo, detroit shouldnt of let ARRON AFALO GO, i dunno wtf they were thinking but that guy is a baller, the best way to use him is to have him backup an all star sg.

plainballing · Post #17 » by **plainballing** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 11:45 pm

HTown_TMac wrote:didnt read that...

No bosh, no deal

Lowry > anyone in that trade

Yes Bosh, no deal.

EdMar_Davis · Post #18 » by **EdMar_Davis** » Sat Jan 2, 2010 4:40 pm

lol at you guys thinking you can get Bosh for T-McBackbreak.

Baller 24 · Post #19 » by **Baller 24** » Sat Jan 2, 2010 5:05 pm

Bosh or GTFO and stop wasting our time.

rocketsballin · Post #20 » by **rocketsballin** » Sat Jan 2, 2010 8:48 pm

Baller 24 wrote:Bosh or GTFO and stop wasting our time.