Anderson & Ariza Thread (a.k.a. The Complaint Box)

moofs · Post #1 » by **moofs** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 3:29 pm

Even Ron Artest shot the ball with more consistency than Ariza does...

Ron Artest reminded me of Steve Francis. Ariza does not.

Ariza is in the same circumstance Alston was - there's just no other option right now. If the puzzle gets put together, he'll fit his proper role better than his current one, and be better at it for going through all this. Everyone just put up with his poor shooting for now and stop bitching please.

Chart through Ariza's career on hotspots and you should see that he's dramatically expanded his game over the last 4 years.

andersen has to go out

Andersen, GTFO this team. Waive him.

I've seen enough to say this quite confidently. David Andersen is a horrible horrible basketball player.

Anderson is a great 3rd string C. He's also acclimating and might be capable of being a 2nd stringer (I still prefer Scola as 2nd string, Hayes as 3rd, with mix and match options, but assets is assets).

A lot of people didn't like Scola when he first showed up (first 30+ games) either. Anderson's not as good as Scola, so he'll likely take more time to get comfortable. He's also not necessarily a long term plan, but a short term, small contract stopgap. If he can get used to the NBA, we have a better trade chip where we had nothing before. Jarron Collins is a 10 year vet, surely DA can make a roster.

Another thing to look at is that from Scola's normal shooting positions, he's shooting great. It's the 3 pointers he keeps taking that are killing his averages. He's taken 51 of his 205 shots from outside with only 14 made. He's shooting 46% on mostly midrange jumpers other than that.

YoungMoney23 · Post #2 » by **YoungMoney23** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 4:49 pm

The only complaint I have against Ariza is how he continually takes jump shot after jump shot even when it should be clear to him that his shot is broke. He has shown that he has the ability to drive to the basket and all I wish is that he would utilize this ability a lot more. Not only would this boost his overall performance but make life easier for our abundance of outside shooters as well.

Baller 24 · Post #3 » by **Baller 24** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 8:23 pm

He at times stops ball movement to take his own shot, he's turnover prone, his ball handling skills are effing terrible...

DreamShook34 · Post #4 » by **DreamShook34** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 9:03 pm

whenever Ariza drives it's like he doesn't expect someone to stop his progress.. The second someone gets in his way he picks up his dribble instead of dribbling out setting something else up.. It's pretty embarrassing to watch..

I never thought I would be complaining about a player contributions I realize that there are going to be times like this when players have a rough patch.. this is getting pretty ridiculous.. it's like he forgot everything he has learned from middle school to high school.. the basic things have all of a sudden escaped him.

Guy986 · Post #5 » by **Guy986** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 11:45 pm

For the record, i've never told Scola to GTFO.

Post #6 » by **TMU** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 12:55 am

Andersen was signed to come off the bench and he has played only 35 games in this league. From what I've seen so far, Andersen has been a decent backup. It's unfair to criticize him just because he hasn't met our fans' high expectations. I say quit your whining and give him some time.

Guy986 · Post #7 » by **Guy986** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 1:45 am

Andersen is not doing "anything" to help this team. His only redeeming skill, his jumpshot, has been woefully bad. When Alston's not shooting well, he's still defending and distrubiting the ball. When Ariza's not shooting well, he's defending, hustling and is great in the transition game.

When Andersen's not shooting well, he's a soft pudding being pounded inside by just about anything.

This team is built on hustle and defense, Andersen does neither.

Rendezvous · Post #8 » by **Rendezvous** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 2:18 am

I usually don't criticize young players, but Ariza is making me want to.

Baller 24 · Post #9 » by **Baller 24** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:18 am

landry has position with less than a minute...arzia like a **** dumb ass takes a three pointer, what a dumbass, i hate him so much

Post #10 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:23 am

Ariza is the worst player I've ever seen. He's the worst shooter in the NBA, the worst ball-handler at his position, a declining defender, and now boosting an attitude as if he's a good player. We're better with him not on the floor, yet he leads our team in minutes.

bballmaniac27 · Post #11 » by **bballmaniac27** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:28 am

I actually think Ariza's mentally (Please Use More Appropriate Word). He honestly believes he's "the man" on this team. On a night where both Brooks and Landry are playing out of their minds he decides to take a contested three.

Who the hell does he think he is? Kobe Bryant?

Incredible.

Rendezvous · Post #12 » by **Rendezvous** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:29 am

Where's Mutombo?

Baller 24 · Post #13 » by **Baller 24** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:31 am

Arzia also throws fits of frustrations countless times, he yells at his teammates, I think someone thinks they're Kobe.

Rendezvous · Post #14 » by **Rendezvous** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:35 am

Im Done with Ariza..

Baller 24 · Post #15 » by **Baller 24** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:35 am

Guy986 wrote:Andersen is not doing "anything" to help this team. His only redeeming skill, his jumpshot, has been woefully bad. When Alston's not shooting well, he's still defending and distrubiting the ball. When Ariza's not shooting well, he's defending, hustling and is great in the transition game.

When Andersen's not shooting well, he's a soft pudding being pounded inside by just about anything.

This team is built on hustle and defense, Andersen does neither.

Ariza hurts this team more than Anderson does, it's clearly evident. Ariza's "hustle" doesn't make up for his mentally challenged offensive game, for the record his defense is garbage, it's nothing to brag about. He's good in the passing lanes, but he loses his man on countless possessions.

EDIT: David also doesn't take stupid shots, he's progressing offensively and he's getting more comfortable, Arzia on the other hand has gotten a lot more WORST.

Guy986 · Post #16 » by **Guy986** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:35 am

Deja vu. THis is getting old.

Ariza=Alston= Escapegoat

Baller 24 · Post #17 » by **Baller 24** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:39 am

Guy986 wrote:Deja vu. THis is getting old.

Ariza=Alston= Escapegoat

LMAO, no. Rafer wasn't even this bad. Arzia IS the scapegoat, it's clearly evident looking at it all statistically. Alston actually provided an offensive output in a positive way using his play-making, while he actually knew how to handle the ball without turning it over. Ariza on the other hand is mentally challenged. Alston is also credited for playing solid defense...I don't see it from Arzia.

Guy986 · Post #18 » by **Guy986** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:39 am

Good coaches do not fret when players miss shots. That's why inefficient scorers like Alston and Ariza are such favorites of the coaching staff. They help the team in more than one ways. Even if they're not shooting well, they find other ways to help the team win.

I care about defense and effort. Shots will be there. I don't care if shots go in as long as they're "good" shots.

Yea, i'll like to scale down Ariza's offensive touches but in no way do i advocate benching him. He's a good player.

Baller 24 · Post #19 » by **Baller 24** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:42 am

Guy986 wrote:Good coaches do not fret when players miss shots. That's why inefficient scorers like Alston and Ariza are such favorites of the coaching staff. They help the team in more than one ways. Even if they're not shooting well, they find other ways to help the team win.

I care about defense and effort. Shots will be there. I don't care if shots go in as long as they're "good" shots.

Yea, i'll like to scale down Ariza's offensive touches but in no way do i advocate benching him. He's a good player.

He's a good player if he knew his role. And Arzia doesn't take good shots lolol, also benching him would help this team, because with the way we start out the first quarter, it's absolutely horrible, we're better off finding a player that can actually knock down shots off of screens, and NOT stop ball movement..

Guy986 · Post #20 » by **Guy986** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:42 am

Baller 24 wrote:
Guy986 wrote:Deja vu. THis is getting old.

Ariza=Alston= Escapegoat

LMAO, no. Rafer wasn't even this bad. Arzia IS the scapegoat, it's clearly evident looking at it all statistically. Alston actually provided an offensive output in a positive way using his play-making, while he actually knew how to handle the ball without turning it over. Ariza on the other hand is mentally challenged. Alston is also credited for playing solid defense...I don't see it from Arzia.

I remember people saying the same thing about Alston, that he's not a good defender, that he sucks and how he's the worst player in the NBA.

You're temporarily blinded by your raging Ariza hate. He's a good defender. Great even on some nights. He's an absolute nightmare on the passing lane and he always gives effort.