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According to Morey’s evaluations, Martin has been one of the NBA’s most efficient scorers in the last 30 years. He’s the only player who has shot 40 percent from the beyond 3-point line and averaged eight made free-throws a game in the course of an entire season. And he has done it in two of his six NBA seasons.

On a side note, the Rockets very nearly traded for Amar’e Stoudemire in the final frantic minutes before the deadline.

They’d removed Stoudemire from their list because he wouldn’t commit beyond the end of this season. Also, there are parts of his game that didn’t fit with what the Rockets want to do, and renting him for a few months would contradict every move Morey has made since learning Yao Ming wouldn’t play this season.

Morey believed the Rockets couldn’t be competitive and exciting this season, but he wanted to position them to be a serious playoff team when Yao returned for 2010-11. Yet as the clock ticked down, the Suns began to lower the price. And lower it some more. And some more.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/spo ... 94334.html

On a side note, what Richard Justice is saying about Martin is true (the 40%/40%/8FTA minimum), but Jordan also did it in the '96 season when the 3PT line was shortened, but here's an entertaining thought.

Martin is the only player in the history of the NBA to average at least 40% FG/ 40% 3PT on a minimum of 9FTA, he's done that twice, as he's averaged 9.5FTA one season, and 10.3FTA another season. That's just mind blowing when considering how offensively effective he is (especially his TS%, which he's broken over 60% many times).

Suns wouldn't have traded Amare... to the Rockets.

Baller 24 wrote:but Jordan also did it in the '96 season when the FT line was shortened, but here's an entertaining thouaght.

It's been 15 feet since Jesus was a combo guard.

Did you mean the three point line?

Focus: If you're ever having a truly atrocious day, I highly recommend taking a peak at the latest Knicks box score. T-Mac's doing nothing. Less than nothing. It's a great little pick-me-up. Here's a sample:

http://ballhype.com/video/delonte-west- ... y-mcgrady/

Baller 24 wrote:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/spo ... 94334.html

On a side note, what Richard Justice is saying about Martin is true (the 40%/40%/8FTA minimum), but Jordan also did it in the '96 season when the FT line was shortened, but here's an entertaining thouaght.

Martin is the only player because of the new enforced hand check rules to average at least 40% FG/ 40% 3PT on a minimum of 9FTA, he's done that twice, as he's averaged 9.5FTA one season, and 10.3FTA another season. That's just mind blowing when considering how offensively effective he is (especially his TS%, which he's broken over 60% many times).

FIXED & GTFO

MAYBE Since 2001 and the hand check rules..

Look at the offensive boom in 2006 when they enfoced it more so and people called it the "new perimeter defense rules".

"You can't even touch a guy now," says Charlotte coach Larry Brown. "The college game is much more physical than our game. I always tease Michael [Jordan], if he played today, he'd average 50."

I can find tons of the quotes from legends.

Back then this was legal..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlNnLXBnMfM&feature=related

NBA was so much fun

Z3snap wrote:

Baller 24 wrote:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/spo ... 94334.html

On a side note, what Richard Justice is saying about Martin is true (the 40%/40%/8FTA minimum), but Jordan also did it in the '96 season when the FT line was shortened, but here's an entertaining thouaght.

Martin is the only player because of the new enforced hand check rules to average at least 40% FG/ 40% 3PT on a minimum of 9FTA, he's done that twice, as he's averaged 9.5FTA one season, and 10.3FTA another season. That's just mind blowing when considering how offensively effective he is (especially his TS%, which he's broken over 60% many times).

FIXED & GTFO

MAYBE Since 2001 and the hand check rules..

Look at the offensive boom in 2006 when they enfoced it more so and people called it the "new perimeter defense rules".

"You can't even touch a guy now," says Charlotte coach Larry Brown. "The college game is much more physical than our game. I always tease Michael [Jordan], if he played today, he'd average 50."

I can find tons of the quotes from legends.

Back then this was legal..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlNnLXBnMfM&feature=related

NBA was so much fun

Don't know if you heard, but the hand check rules also apply to everyone else in the league as well as Martin.

grond wrote:Don't know if you heard, but the hand check rules also apply to everyone else in the league as well as Martin.

No ****...
Martin sure as hell wasn't responsible for the offensive explosion since alone.

Doesn't matter, he's still by far one of the most efficient guards of this era when scoring the ball, if it was THAT easy, I'm sure many would be scoring at the same TS% and rate...but it's obviously not.

Baller 24 wrote:Doesn't matter, he's still by far one of the most efficient guards of this era when scoring the ball, if it was THAT easy, I'm sure many would be scoring at the same TS% and rate...but it's obviously not.

Then say that, earlier you wrote about how he is better than Jordan, and is the only player in history to achieve those numbers.

He is not playing with the same rules "NBA History" has been.

Those numbers should only be compared with his contemporaries, at least 2006-current.

AND where did I say it was easy???

NO one in the league would but up these huge numbers if they played in the 70's, 80's, 90's.
Its the reason they change the rules to open the game.

Z3snap wrote:Then say that, earlier you wrote about how he is better than Jordan, and is the only player in history to achieve those numbers.

When did I say he's better than Jordan, I said his offensive effectiveness is pretty epic, having a TS of 61%. I stated no other player has shot at that rate with a minimum of 40% and shot over 9FTA. Richard Justice in his article wrote, Martin is the only one to shoot it in over 8FTA, but that wasn't true, because Jordan did it when the NBA 3PT line was shortened, other than that, there hasn't been another player to do so.

You like to talk about "defense and hand check rules", but just two seasons ago, we witnessed statistically the most dominant and top notch defense in the history of the NBA with the '08
Celtics that gave the top players today fits.

He is not playing with the same rules "NBA History" has been.

LOL if we're going by your logic, than none of superstars accomplishments are on par with any from the past, that's absurd and obtuse to think.

Those numbers should only be compared with his contemporaries, at least 2006-current.

That's not how they're compared, there's a plus and minus to the new rules, I didn't write it, Richard Justice did, I'm just showcasing the numbers stating he was mislead in his statements.

NO one in the league would but up these huge numbers if they played in the 70's, 80's, 90's.
Its the reason they change the rules to open the game.

Jerry West most certainly had the range and FTA to do it, Rick Barry is another, there are countless players you can think of with unlimited range, and the ability to get to the foul line. Larry Bird had the range and effectiveness, but never in his career did so.

The three point line wasn't used in the 80s and 90s as it is today, so there were a limited number of attempts. HOWEVER throw guys like Kobe Bryant, D-Wade, LeBron James into ANY of the previous eras, and they tear it up statistically---the pace increases where you get more scoring opportunity, and the number of perimeter defenders is sadly nowhere as many as today , you're facing less superstar caliber guards, you don't have superstar caliber defense from the perimeter, and although it's more physical, the guys you're facing are NOT as athletic or have the same kind of physique and size as today. If Bernard King at 6'7 205LBS can dominat scoring the ball at effective rates, there's no reason any of the current players cannot. It's as simply as that.

I know it's mostly a thread about Martin, who was a nifty pickup,

But I'm curious what you guys think about Jordan Hill and Jeffries. Personally, I think Jeffries is one of the most underrated players in the game. He plays smart D and he not awful on O. He may be kinda average/soso overall, but he's bothered Rondo when he's guarded him and he can guard some centers. I'm glad to be rid of Jeffries contract, but I kinda like Jeffries as a player.

On Jordan Hill - I think the guy could have a bright future. He's active on D and he's a good rebounder and he's probably got a better jump shot than half the PFs in the NBA.

On the Knicks end of the trade - obviously it's about next season, and if T-mac resigns with the Knicks for 1 year/1 million - then the trade could work out for us too. If we stink next year and you get our #2 draft pick - I think I'll kill myself, but, for now, I'm crossing my fingers that the trade will work for us. We like T-mac, but we paid a lot for him.


Anywhoo, those are my thoughts on those 2 guys - what do you guys think having seen them on your team?

Jordan Hill is a question mark right now. If u ask for my opinion of him at this moment, i'm not too crazy about him.

Jared Jeffries i like better than most. He's been our best big off the bench after Landry's departure.

However its those beautiful draft picks that i like the most.

Nobody ever questioned his scoring ability. We have seen him light us up many times before. His defense and health though....those are issues.

Carl Landry might have something to say about that. I bet he has a smug smile at the moment!