Mark Sanchez could have been a lion QB

Bartender · Post #21 » by **Bartender** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:00 am

What if he does win the Super Bowl? So what? He is in a TOTALLY different situation. You honestly think that they are in the big game cuz of Sanchez? I would bet it would be cuz of there awesome running game and great defense. Do you think that Lions would be a playoff team if Sanchez was our QB?

Kell, have you even seen Sanchez play this year? This guy SUCKS. He overthrows almost EVERY pass. He has 3 runningbacks that can step in and get 100 yards any given game. He has a defense led by a Cornerback that has shut down EVERY SINGLE WR that he lined up against. He SINGLE handedly took Randy Moss out of the game twice. Terrell Owens out of the game twice. Andre Johnson out of the game. Chad Ochocinco out of the game. C'mon man. You can't be so blind to the fact that NY Jets are 90 times better then the Lions if you judged position by position minus the QB's.

kellmellus50 · Post #22 » by **kellmellus50** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:30 am

Sanchez is 1 game away from being in the superbowl he does not suck.You don't get this far in the playoffs if you suck .

Mark Sanchez has engineered ego-crushing victories over Cincinnati and San Diego and you have to be wondering just what the Colts – who declined the chance to waste the Jets when they had the chance in Week 16 – have to be thinking this week as they prepare for a team whose season they could have ended less than a month ago.

New York still is a longshot to win the Super Bowl – betED.com lists the Jets at +750 (Indy is +110),

Bartender and liqourish watch what you say or ajax will lock this site too.

TSE · Post #23 » by **TSE** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:43 am

Bartender wrote:What if he does win the Super Bowl? So what? He is in a TOTALLY different situation. You honestly think that they are in the big game cuz of Sanchez? I would bet it would be cuz of there awesome running game and great defense. Do you think that Lions would be a playoff team if Sanchez was our QB?

Kell, have you even seen Sanchez play this year? This guy SUCKS. He overthrows almost EVERY pass. He has 3 runningbacks that can step in and get 100 yards any given game. He has a defense led by a Cornerback that has shut down EVERY SINGLE WR that he lined up against. He SINGLE handedly took Randy Moss out of the game twice. Terrell Owens out of the game twice. Andre Johnson out of the game. Chad Ochocinco out of the game. C'mon man. You can't be so blind to the fact that NY Jets are 90 times better then the Lions if you judged position by position minus the QB's.

Yeah he's totally not super awesome and perfect. Although at least he was good enough to throw a key TD to get to the AFC Championship game. Oh and good enough to rollout and create the pass opportunity in the first place too. Not too shabby.

Post #24 » by **ajaX82** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:44 am

kellmellus50 wrote:
Bartender and liqourish watch what you say or ajax will lock this site too.

Im flattered but i didnt lock the previous thread. Iceness did that. Which I completely agreed with, the conversation was going nowhere, but i did not literally push the button

When threads get locked by me or another Detroit mod, there is always a reason. So lets just drop it.

TSE · Post #25 » by **TSE** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:51 am

Wow I thought that last thread was getting very interesting and productive. I was confused why it got locked up.

Post #26 » by **ajaX82** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:08 am

TSE wrote:Wow I thought that last thread was getting very interesting and productive. I was confused why it got locked up.

Lets just move on...talk about Sanchez is you want in this thread, not about moderating decisions. Let it go

Bartender · Post #27 » by **Bartender** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:44 am

kellmellus50 wrote:Sanchez is 1 game away from being in the superbowl he does not suck.You don't get this far in the playoffs if you suck .

Joe Flacco made it to the AFC Championship game and he sucks.

Rex Grossman made it to the SuperBowl and he should NOT be a NFL QB nor should he EVER of been a NFL QB. Wins as a QB is such an overrated statistic. It's the team that wins the game, not the QB. Vince Young is a perfect example of a QB with a great starting record who actually isn't good.... at all.

But back to your statement. You can go all the way to the superbowl with a **** QB. Rex Grossman is living proof.

Bartender · Post #28 » by **Bartender** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:45 am

TSE wrote:
Bartender wrote:What if he does win the Super Bowl? So what? He is in a TOTALLY different situation. You honestly think that they are in the big game cuz of Sanchez? I would bet it would be cuz of there awesome running game and great defense. Do you think that Lions would be a playoff team if Sanchez was our QB?

Kell, have you even seen Sanchez play this year? This guy SUCKS. He overthrows almost EVERY pass. He has 3 runningbacks that can step in and get 100 yards any given game. He has a defense led by a Cornerback that has shut down EVERY SINGLE WR that he lined up against. He SINGLE handedly took Randy Moss out of the game twice. Terrell Owens out of the game twice. Andre Johnson out of the game. Chad Ochocinco out of the game. C'mon man. You can't be so blind to the fact that NY Jets are 90 times better then the Lions if you judged position by position minus the QB's.

Yeah he's totally not super awesome and perfect. Although at least he was good enough to throw a key TD to get to the AFC Championship game. Oh and good enough to rollout and create the pass opportunity in the first place too. Not too shabby.

Matt Stafford has done that MULTIPLE times this year and you still give him no credit. Stafford's game against the Brown's is something that Sanchez has NEVER done and most likely WILL NEVER do.

Piston Pete · Post #29 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:47 am

You can't judge a QB solely on how well his team plays.

Who's the better QB - Trent Dilfer or Dan Marino?

TSE · Post #30 » by **TSE** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:48 am

Marino, cause he was great. Is this a trick question? lol

kellmellus50 · Post #31 » by **kellmellus50** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:05 pm

Bartenders quote:You can't be so blind to the fact that NY Jets are 90 times better then the Lions if you judged position by position minus the QB's

Bartender your blind !!! You forgot the recieving corps bigtime Detroit is better with Calvin Johnson & co.
if Sanchez had Calvin Johnson and our other recievers he would be going to the superbowl hands down with the jets.

Stafford was only able to come close to Sanchez numbers because of our recievers.
Sanchez did more with less when it comes to recievers to throw too.

Piston Pete · Post #32 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:25 pm

Kell - we have better recievers, but the Jets have the MUCH BETTER O-line.

According to Dwight Freeney (he said this just the other day when talking about playing the Jets, paraphrasing), the Jets o-line is so impressive that they are able to run the ball even when the other team knows they will.

Their o-line gives Sanchez time to throw, but their run game also helps Sanchez immensely. The safties are cheating up to help agaisnt the run, the LBs have to stay in the box a little bit extra, especially with play-action.

The Jets o-line plus their run game give Sanchez much more of an advantage than us having better receivers....

Piston Pete · Post #33 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:26 pm

TSE wrote:Marino, cause he was great. Is this a trick question? lol

Are you sure? By your logic, Dilfer should be, right? After all, Dilfer won a Super Bowl....

kellmellus50 · Post #34 » by **kellmellus50** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:35 pm

Piston Pete i am glad you agree with me that Detroit has better recievers ,Bartender thought jets were 90 times better in that position sometimes i don't know what he's thinking about.

Recievers are very very important..... example what would Culpepper be if he did not have Randy Moss well we found out Culpepper went down hill when Randy Moss left and never regained his QB status again.

kellmellus50 · Post #35 » by **kellmellus50** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:40 pm

Piston Pete wrote:
TSE wrote:Marino, cause he was great. Is this a trick question? lol

Are you sure? By your logic, Dilfer should be, right? After all, Dilfer won a Super Bowl....

You can always have a QB who plays his best in his career for one season and wins a superbowl that year he was unbeatable.

of coarse through a lifetime Marino was better .

so there is no point if you understand the logic. TSE your right it was a trick question.

Bartender · Post #36 » by **Bartender** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:01 pm

Umm, Jets WR core isn't even that much better considering that Calvin is CONSTANTLY double and triple teamed and injured constantly. Jets have Braylon Edwards and Jerricho Cotchery... who are both better then all our wide receivers besides CJ.

Kell, how do you explain that Jets are 6-0 when Sanchez throws less then 20 passes but are 3-7 when he throws over 20 passes? How do you explain Stafford throwing MORE TD's then Sanchez even though he played in 5 less games then Sanchez?

If Stafford would have played the whole season, he would of had 20+ TD passes.

Think of it this way, Jets have the BEST OLine in the NFL. Lions have the WORST OLine in the NFL. A quarterback CANNOT succeed with the worst OLine and Stafford beat Sanchez in almost every statistical category even though he played 5 less games and has the worst OLine in the NFL.

You and TSE are ALLLL about logic, how can you NOT get this one?

Bartender · Post #37 » by **Bartender** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:06 pm

kellmellus50 wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:
TSE wrote:Marino, cause he was great. Is this a trick question? lol

Are you sure? By your logic, Dilfer should be, right? After all, Dilfer won a Super Bowl....

You can always have a QB who plays his best in his career for one season and wins a superbowl that year he was unbeatable.

of coarse through a lifetime Marino was better .

so there is no point if you understand the logic. TSE your right it was a trick question.

Again, Rex Grossman went to the Super Bowl a couple years ago and had records that year for LOWEST QB RATING IN A GAME!! He broke the record with 1.3 QB rating against Minnesota AND THEN BROKE HIS OWN RECORD WEEK 17 WITH A 0.0 QB RATING!!!!!!!!!

BUTTTT Get this! Even though he had a 1.3 QB rating (6-29, 0 TD's, 3 INT's), the Bears still won the game 23-13.

kellmellus50 · Post #38 » by **kellmellus50** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:08 pm

Bartender Quote : Kell, how do you explain that Jets are 6-0 when Sanchez throws less then 20 passes but are 3-7 when he throws over 20 passes? How do you explain Stafford throwing MORE TD's then Sanchez even though he played in 5 less games then Sanchez?

My answer is Calvin Johnson
3-7 when he throw 20 passes is because Sanchez does not have CJ to catch them
Stafford throws more TD's is because he does has Calvin Johnson to catch them (end of story)

Bartender · Post #39 » by **Bartender** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:41 pm

Calvin Johnson only had 5 TD's this year!! He was practically non existent. You act like Braylon Edwards and Jerricho Cotchery are scrubs. They are just as good as Calvin considering that Calvin barely got the ball this year. Idk where you're getting at. Calvin isn't the best WR in the NFL and isn't even close to that feat.

Personally, I would rather have Braylon and Jerricho with that amazing OLine then have Calvin Johnson and our horrible OLine. Calvin is the ONLY good WR Lions have. NYJ has 3 WR's that are better then our 2nd best WR.

I would seriously like to talk with you on aim or something so I could talk to you and TSE one on one to see where ya'll heads are at.

Piston Pete · Post #40 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:07 pm

kellmellus50 wrote:Piston Pete i am glad you agree with me that Detroit has better recievers ,Bartender thought jets were 90 times better in that position sometimes i don't know what he's thinking about.

Recievers are very very important..... example what would Culpepper be if he did not have Randy Moss well we found out Culpepper went down hill when Randy Moss left and never regained his QB status again.

Yeah, Culpepper had Moss and Carter.....

But if the Vikings had a crappy o-line (they didn't, they had a very good offensiveline) and no running game (Robert Smith), then teams would double the wideouts and dare the Vikings to run....

They were able to pass so well because their offense had balance. Plus, when Culpepper wanted to throw to Moss or Carter, the o-line gave him TIME to do so.

We could have Steve Young throwing to Calvin and Reggie Wayne....but with our offensive line, that won't as be productive as it should be - behind a good offensive line.