Draft Talk

[TSE]

It's Amukamara. I hope you never work for the team cuz you'll be just as bad as the people that mix up colleges that the players play for.


As for the list, if we trade up for Dareus or Fairley, I'm going to be livid. We have no need for another DT. Corey Williams is a pure pass rusher and SLH is getting better every year and is our best run stopper. We already have the best DT rotation in the NFL.

My top 8 would look something like this:
1. Patrick Peterson
2. Robert Quinn
3. AJ Green
4. Da'Quan Bowers
5. Prince Amukamara
6. JJ Watt
7. Julio Jones
8. Mark Ingram

Oops my bad. And I don't work for the team yet, thus I'm not responsible for an honest spelling mistake of a player I haven't even scouted. My potential to work for the team is just that, potential. I must have swiss-cheesed the name from reading an article about Nakamura around the same time I posted. Just haven't been spending much time thinking about Amakumara as a likely prospect for us. If/when I work for the team, I would NEVER make a mistake like that and that's my promise and commitment to excellence, and that's the difference between the quality of the people that do work for the team and a top-flight professional like myself. But right now I'm not a professional and I'm just brainstorming loosely in a rough draft format here on what should be a friendly Internet board which I personally happen to treat as an informal venue for conversation, and I'm not attempting to be exact and not afraid to use shorthand or other non-PC ways/styles of communicating. To me, it's just about the theoretical ideas and analyzing them and understanding them more-so than the technical aspect of operating like as if this site is officially associated with team mngmt. Anyhow, sorry for the inconvenience of the spelling error, and I went back to fix that in my original post, thank you for correcting me.

And how would you feel if we traded CW in a great deal that you loved what we got in return? That's why I put in parentheses that the value of taking Dareus or Fairley is different if that were to happen first. I don't have the benefit of inside information so I'm trying to put together a hot-list that is trying to guess at a number of positions that might have a possible trade scenario. And I just think that those 2 DTs are arguably the best of the best prospects in this draft, and I do not think that having CW on the team is enough of a justification to pass up on upgrading that spot even further and maximizing Suh's value by doing something EXTRA special at that position. I'm not totally enamored with CW's play and he led the league in penalties last year too, which cuts down on the value of his contributing play.

So now that we see your top 8, where would you place Dareus and Fairley on your board, just curious? And you aren't worried about Da'Quan's knee that you would take him for us if we had the 4th pick is what you're saying? Why are you so high on him if you are so low on the DTs, when we have arguable more DEs on the roster than DT even?

I see our DT keepers as of right as 4:
Suh/CW/SLH/AF

But at DE we have 5 that I like right now:
Avril/KVB/LJ/TM, and then we have an interesting prospect in WIllie Young that hasn't even had a shot yet, plus the Lions always like to keep DeVries around for some reason, I just see DE as the fattest position of depth on the team in terms of numbers.

Quinn at 2 was the biggest curiosity for me, what makes you like him so much if I may ask? It seems like a lot of mocks have either him or Bowers going much further into the top 10, I don't think that's very good value. If we had the 2 pick, we should trade down to 10 and take our chances, whereas with those DTs, there's much less chance that one of them will make it to 10 or beyond than for one of those 2 DEs, you don't agree?

[Icness]

The top 20 from the forthcoming edition of the Top 103, will be posted next Tues-Wed.:
I'm probably going to swap Peterson and Miller FYI...

1. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia--got outshined a little by Julio Jones in Indy, but he’s the safer bet to make a bigger impact in the NFL with his size, body control, and internal fire.

2. Robert Quinn, OLB, North Carolina--too many scouts whose opinions I greatly respect love Quinn’s ability to make plays in the backfield. I worry about his year off, but he looked great in Indy and has a hunger to him that eases my concerns.

3. Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU--I’ve actually been almost as impressed with the physical corner’s responses to interview questions as I am his blazing speed and big-play ability. He “gets it”, according to everyone that talked to him.

4. Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M--has the right mix of instant impact, long-term greatness potential, and low risk factor. Ideal 3-4 ROLB.

5. Cam Newton, QB, Auburn--Newton has the highest upside of any player in this draft, and I’m more bullish than most that he will attain that upside. But the risk potential is significant, and that scares me more than a little.

6. Da’Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson--lots of Julius Peppers to his game, and his strength against the run makes him safer than a lot of the premium pass rushers.

7. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn--very active interior presence that plays with a rare nastiness and a variety of ways to crash the pocket. Pretty high bust factor is a concern.

8. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama--not as dynamic as Fairley, but Dareus is bigger/faster/stronger and a more well-rounded player. Great violence to his hands.

9. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama--very physical wideout with the size and strength that remind of Anquan Boldin. Great fit for a team looking to complement a deep burner.

10. Anthony Castonzo, T, Boston College--rock-solid, experienced mauler that can start right away at either tackle spot or right guard. One of the safest tackle picks in a long time.

11. Tyron Smith, T, USC
12. Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
13. Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
14. Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado. He’s the best corner in this draft in terms of man coverage before the ball is in the air. But off-field issues and a lack of plays when the ball is in the air are legit concerns.
15. Danny Watkins, G, Baylor--one NFL Dir. of Collegiate Scouting told me the 26-year old has the best feet of any guard he's ever seen enter the draft. His maturity is a major plus.
16. Cameron Jordan, DE, California
17. Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois
18. J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin--has impressive size/speed/strength package with an incredible motor and high football IQ. Reminds me of Jared Allen with 30 more pounds.
19. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama. His short-area burst is fantastic, and his hands and experience in a shared backfield indicate he’s NFL ready. The Emmitt Smith comparisons still make sense.
20. Jerrel Jernigan, WR/KR, Troy. Spotlight: get bonus points for being a dynamic return man, and has proven his versatility--can play RB, slot WR, or split end. He’s a bigger Dexter McCluster with better leg strength.

[Bartender]

And how would you feel if we traded CW in a great deal that you loved what we got in return? That's why I put in parentheses that the value of taking Dareus or Fairley is different if that were to happen first. I don't have the benefit of inside information so I'm trying to put together a hot-list that is trying to guess at a number of positions that might have a possible trade scenario. And I just think that those 2 DTs are arguably the best of the best prospects in this draft, and I do not think that having CW on the team is enough of a justification to pass up on upgrading that spot even further and maximizing Suh's value by doing something EXTRA special at that position. I'm not totally enamored with CW's play and he led the league in penalties last year too, which cuts down on the value of his contributing play.

So now that we see your top 8, where would you place Dareus and Fairley on your board, just curious? And you aren't worried about Da'Quan's knee that you would take him for us if we had the 4th pick is what you're saying? Why are you so high on him if you are so low on the DTs, when we have arguable more DEs on the roster than DT even?

I see our DT keepers as of right as 4:
Suh/CW/SLH/AF

But at DE we have 5 that I like right now:
Avril/KVB/LJ/TM, and then we have an interesting prospect in WIllie Young that hasn't even had a shot yet, plus the Lions always like to keep DeVries around for some reason, I just see DE as the fattest position of depth on the team in terms of numbers.

Quinn at 2 was the biggest curiosity for me, what makes you like him so much if I may ask? It seems like a lot of mocks have either him or Bowers going much further into the top 10, I don't think that's very good value. If we had the 2 pick, we should trade down to 10 and take our chances, whereas with those DTs, there's much less chance that one of them will make it to 10 or beyond than for one of those 2 DEs, you don't agree?

We couldn't get good value for CW. He is much more valuable to us than he is to any other team right now. He is one year removed from getting traded for a 6th round pick and like you said, led the league in penalties. Outside of those penalties though, he was one of our best defensive players last year (probably second to Suh). He was just dominant in one on one matches, which helped Suh out a lot as well. We couldn't get productivity to match his by trading him. As for SLH, he was our best run stopper last year and is getting better and better at rushing the passer. I can see him turning into a Shaun Rogers type of play maker on that DLine with just a little more time. He was extremely raw when we drafted him, and he's actually becoming what his potential says he can be. Imagine Suh and Rogers in his prime next to each other. I wouldn't want to mess that up by drafting Fairley or Dareus because I'd say it would be another 2-3 years before SLH becomes that type of player, and we still have 2-3 years of really productive play out of CW. Drafting a rotational DT shouldn't be a priority this year when we have holes everywhere else and DT is our strongest position on the football team.

Now for DE. We do have a lot of capable players, but all those players are rotational DE's. If I could compare our defense in work to an already established defense in the NFL, I'd say we are trying to copy the NY Giants. A lot of what they do is what we do. They like to only rush the QB with the DLine and keep the linebackers back in coverage while only blitzing them occasionally. The Giants ALWAYS are finding more and more pass rushing DE's to rotate in and give Tuck and Umenyiora a breather. Giants have the second best starting DE duo in the league in Tuck and Umenyiora, but that don't stop them from having a lot of capable pass rushing DE's. With the Lions, we have an ideal LDE (QB's sight side) in Cliff Avril. We have a couple of great rotational guys in LJax and McBride. Than we have KVB as our RDE (Blind side rusher). He's definitely getting up there in age and just suffered a season ending neck injury. KVB is relentless and one of the best leaders in the NFL. He leads by example and he leads by force. IMO, the most important position on this type of defense is the RDE. KVB has two years left on his contract, and I want to draft our RDE of the future now and let him learn under KVB for two years while he has the chance. The two best DE's in this draft are Bowers and Quinn. I like Quinn a little better because he's the elite pass rusher (I like to think Dwight Freeney when I watch him play). Remember, in this defense, we need the elite pass rushers on this DLine, since we don't get much help from the LB's getting to the QB. Quinn excels in that area and is the type of RDE that I'd die to have on this team.

That's how I see it. We might have more capable players at DE than DT, but I see the DE rotation MUCH MUCH MUCH more important than the DT rotation. Suh led the entire NFL in defensive snaps played last year, so that cuts the rotation at DT down some. DE is the rotation that should be most important to this coaching staff because we need to give our starting DE's breathers without missing a beat on the field.

Quinn is most certainly the best pass rusher the draft has seen in quite a while. Bowers is still a good pass rusher, but not as good but better against the run. But, I don't like Bowers attitude. I don't think he'd respond as well as Quinn to learning under KVB for a year or two.

My two cents.

[Bartender]

Ice, what are your thoughts on Buster Skrine. He interest me a lot in the 3-4 round.

[Liqourish]

We couldn't get good value for CW. He is much more valuable to us than he is to any other team right now. He is one year removed from getting traded for a 6th round pick and like you said, led the league in penalties. Outside of those penalties though, he was one of our best defensive players last year (probably second to Suh). He was just dominant in one on one matches, which helped Suh out a lot as well. We couldn't get productivity to match his by trading him. As for SLH, he was our best run stopper last year and is getting better and better at rushing the passer. I can see him turning into a Shaun Rogers type of play maker on that DLine with just a little more time. He was extremely raw when we drafted him, and he's actually becoming what his potential says he can be. Imagine Suh and Rogers in his prime next to each other. I wouldn't want to mess that up by drafting Fairley or Dareus because I'd say it would be another 2-3 years before SLH becomes that type of player, and we still have 2-3 years of really productive play out of CW. Drafting a rotational DT shouldn't be a priority this year when we have holes everywhere else and DT is our strongest position on the football team.

Now for DE. We do have a lot of capable players, but all those players are rotational DE's. If I could compare our defense in work to an already established defense in the NFL, I'd say we are trying to copy the NY Giants. A lot of what they do is what we do. They like to only rush the QB with the DLine and keep the linebackers back in coverage while only blitzing them occasionally. The Giants ALWAYS are finding more and more pass rushing DE's to rotate in and give Tuck and Umenyiora a breather. Giants have the second best starting DE duo in the league in Tuck and Umenyiora, but that don't stop them from having a lot of capable pass rushing DE's. With the Lions, we have an ideal LDE (QB's sight side) in Cliff Avril. We have a couple of great rotational guys in LJax and McBride. Than we have KVB as our RDE (Blind side rusher). He's definitely getting up there in age and just suffered a season ending neck injury. KVB is relentless and one of the best leaders in the NFL. He leads by example and he leads by force. IMO, the most important position on this type of defense is the RDE. KVB has two years left on his contract, and I want to draft our RDE of the future now and let him learn under KVB for two years while he has the chance. The two best DE's in this draft are Bowers and Quinn. I like Quinn a little better because he's the elite pass rusher (I like to think Dwight Freeney when I watch him play). Remember, in this defense, we need the elite pass rushers on this DLine, since we don't get much help from the LB's getting to the QB. Quinn excels in that area and is the type of RDE that I'd die to have on this team.

That's how I see it. We might have more capable players at DE than DT, but I see the DE rotation MUCH MUCH MUCH more important than the DT rotation. Suh led the entire NFL in defensive snaps played last year, so that cuts the rotation at DT down some. DE is the rotation that should be most important to this coaching staff because we need to give our starting DE's breathers without missing a beat on the field.

Quinn is most certainly the best pass rusher the draft has seen in quite a while. Bowers is still a good pass rusher, but not as good but better against the run. But, I don't like Bowers attitude. I don't think he'd respond as well as Quinn to learning under KVB for a year or two.

My two cents.

Very good post. ICAM. If we are going to address the DL, a pass rushing DE is our biggest need. A DE who could work with and learn from KVB would be ideal. LoJack and McBride are nice rotational guys, but I don't see them as future starters, unless in case of injuries.

Luckily, KVB's neck surgery wasn't a big deal. It was a bulging disc that he got fixed and was in the gym right after surgery. He should be ready for the start of the season (whenever that is) and fine for the next two years.

I wouldn't want to trade any of our DL. It's the best part of our defense and something to build on. Not something to mess with just for the sake of making changes. CW and KVB aren't long term options, but we are developing guys with them so that we have depth now and starters later on.

Robert Quinn and J.J. Watt would be my ideal targets for a DE, otherwise, I wouldn't really force a draft pick when they might not be able to outperform our backups.

[TSE]

Bartender, your very first sentence doesn't make any sense, and the continuation of everything else that is predicated upon that disruptive sentence invalidates the relevance of everything else that you have to say, cause you are comparing the DE position to a DT position loaded with talent, not one that has just lost CW.

Just cause you think we can't get good value for a guy doesn't mean that is absolutely correct. I wouldn't trade CW either if we couldnt get good value for him or any player, that's not how trades work. you trade when you think you get the better end of the deal. And 31 other teams will place a value on him and we only need 1 team that sees him as more valuable to them than we do. We have Suh and some young guys in Fluellen and SLH, so I can't see how we value CW more than each and every other team, that makes little sense to me.

Anyhow, the question that I asked you was ASSUMING we got good value in such a way that YOU were happy with the deal. So to properly reply to my question, you don't have any decision to make there, he is already gone and we rec'd something better in return, that's a given within the context of my question.

So my question still stands if you care to address it.

[Bartender]

If we could get the value that he is worth to us, than yes. I would trade him. But you can't go into these kind of debates and have the cornerstone of your defense be "Well, what if we trade and get good value for (insert player here)?" because you have no idea either what we could get out of him. I'm just going on what the obvious is. He is one year removed from being traded for a 6th round pick because he was a bust in the 3-4. No way in hell another 3-4 trades what I would consider good value for CW, for CW... so that scratches out about half of the teams in the NFL. Now we gotta consider how well he played for us. I think he played at a late first - second round value, and considering his age and the fact that he was traded for a 6th round pick one year ago, I think it's safe to say that we could not get that value for CW. Whether you like it or not, CW will remain a Lion because trading him for a 4th or later pick would be us taking a huge dive in DT production.

Now onto the rest of my post.....

[TSE]

Umm, yes I can. And I did. And it's plausible that we could trade him and get good value. I don't understand why you have an issue with hypotheticals that are reasonable. And that's YOUR opinion that CW is the "cornerstone of our defense". That's not a fact, that's an opinion, and a debatable one. And just about everything we dissect about what the Lions will do is stuff we can't know for certain, so much of Internet sports boards are based on speculative conjecture, how do you not realize this and accept that notion?

What you say doesn't justify your previous response, your post to me is still an invalid mess that doesn't relate to what I was saying, I don't see the relevance of commenting further on something that doesn't fit within the nature and scope of the points I was raising.

Plus, posting etiquette generally includes following up on somebody else's post that asks a question on a subject before you rebut it with a counter-question. And you agreed with a "yes" to the CW trade, but you didn't elaborate as to the rest of MY post with respect to our new situation now that CW has been traded. You have to now justify why you think our DT strength in quality and numbers is still greater than our DE after the trade has commenced, or retract your position to further the dialogue on this conversation segment if you want to continue further within this discussion with me.

[Bartender]

Just a curiosity... what do you think we could get out of CW? Would trading him be worth trading up for Fairley or Dareus? Do you realize that we ALREADY have the fewest amount of pick out of any other NFL team? Trading up for 2 of the best prospects in this draft, which happens to be a DT and would already be our greatest strength on this team, would wipe us out of the rest of the draft. Trading CW would be creating a need just to fill a need. That makes absolutely no sense and it's terrible logic and that is why you don't see ANY NFL team do this.

Instead of trading a strength to draft a person of the same position, why not just draft to fill more of the holes we currently have? CW is a very good starter for this team. Suh is one of the best DT's in the NFL. That gives us one of the best DT duo's in the league. Now, as far as our DE's are concerned, we have to great back-ups who wouldn't be so good as starters, and one good LDE and one old RDE. How is our DE unit not better than our DT unit? Drafting a DT in the first half of this draft would be absolutely ludicrous. That would be the same thing as drafting a TE in the first round, when we already have a capable starter and a real good back up. Makes no sense at all.

I'd understand and respect all of your logics if I seen some teams doing what you suggest... but the fact that no teams do what you continuously suggest we do and mock our GM of not doing makes me believe that what you actually suggest just isn't plausible and, well... logical.

The NFL isn't some dream world where you can do whatever you want and manipulate anybody into doing something. These people are a lot smarter than you give them credit for.

[TSE]

I'm not going to play that game with you by trying to speculate what we could get for CW only for you to tell me that's impossible. You've already stated your position that we couldn't possibly get good value for him, so anything I say that would be good value, you already have a position that we can't get that. I don't have to pick a package and prove that we can get that package, I merely just have to point out that my logic is that we are not the #1 team in the NFL that values CW the absolute most and support my rationale for thinking that, and I've done that and am content with my opinion in that regard. That's all I can offer. I therefore see it as practical to get enough to satisfy myself based upon the value that I think CW has. If you have a much higher value of CW then I can't necessarily reconcile that with you and convince you that a trade is possible.

And I absolutely would love to deal CW, rely on Fluellen and SLH to support Suh and our new man in Dareus or Fairley, as I mentioned before, those guys are my top 2 targets in the entire draft after Peterson, unless you want to explore the hypothetical where we trade Stafford for a package that is worth more than Stafford, but I've bypassed that for the convenience of you guys that are closed-minded to that concept. But even I myself am not as high on trading Stafford, cause the optimal and perfect time to do that was before last year started, and we already passed up that golden opportunity to exploit the system to our advantage.

I don't know what you mean about wiping us out of the draft, cause my theory would only be to trade up if it doesn't "wipe" us out of the draft. And I'm only trading for who is selected last, we don't know where those guys will go. It's possible that the first 2 picks of the draft could be those DTs, and that's different than if Fairley slips to TEN at 8 or DAL at 9. The price to go from 13 to 9 is going to be cheap, especially if Dallas wanted a DT and would take CW in that deal. For 4 spots, they might think CW is worth as much as you think he's worth, and thus we get paid for swapping those picks and I can then have my cake and eat it too by getting what I think would be a glorious deal, so that would possibly give us MORE draft material by making that move as opposed to "wiping" us out of the draft!

Why not draft to fill holes is because we are in a bad spot at 13 where we can't fill a hole with a premium prospect that gives us great bang for our buck, and I have all kinds of ideas of moves we can make that give us great ROI for our players and draft picks invested. I don't like the idea of standing pat, that's not the best possible path to get the best possible team IMO.

I see 2 starting DT spots, and we aren't losing CW, we are swapping him for an equal value to help another spot, and thus opening a big hole at DT which we fill with a guy that I believe would be MUCH MUCH better to have than CW, that being Fairley or Dareus. We get a better overall draft player added to our starting mix, while transferring the asset of CW to consolidate with some other asset to get a better asset for improvement at some other position.

To draft a TE would not be the same cause you can't get value out of a TE2 as you only need 1 TE starter. If we drafted a TE, that would only make sense if we got equal or greater value for Pettigrew, plus there is no TE that's nearly worth the 13th pick, so that's a different situation altogether.

And finally, your closing comments make no sense, cause you are assuming that I think it's a dream world, rather I look at it as the opposite. It is only logical to me that we could trade CW by agreeing with myself that we don't value him more than each and every team. I'm closer to ranking the Lions as possibly the 32nd team in the NFL that would value CW, which gives us a huge opportunity to make a profit. And within my assumptions, it's guaranteed logical to assume another team will want him. And it doesn't matter what you think other teams think, cause once I talk to the other 31 teams, if nobody wants him then I don't have to do that option, it's all predicated upon confirming that I can in fact find some team that wants him more than I do. And from my experience, when I map out a global strategy plan to find an enhanced path to success, I am able to continue movement along that path towards that success every time. That's how I operate, and trading CW is just one possible move that I have extrapolated, and if I don't get my price then I have an endless supply of other strategies of players to potentially trade and/or draft movements to do. I'm going to think of every angle I can and make as many deals as I can as long as I get what I want for any of our 53 players that I feel some team is overpaying us for. If the overpayment isn't there, then I move to another path, and the conclusion will be an assortment of moves that I don't know what they are until they happen, one step at a time, it's all reactionary to how the other teams operate and counter my intent as I strive to get what I want.

I'm a master of logic and I have absolutely no logical breakdowns, and fail to understand why you think I have logical holes. None of your suggestions that don't fit with disrupting my plan, cause I have a contingency for everything that doesn't go my way, so if I can't sell CW then so be it, I'll sell something else, or nothing at all if no teams want to overpay me for any of our players.

[Piston Pete]

1. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia--got outshined a little by Julio Jones in Indy, but he’s the safer bet to make a bigger impact in the NFL with his size, body control, and internal fire.

2. Robert Quinn, OLB, North Carolina--too many scouts whose opinions I greatly respect love Quinn’s ability to make plays in the backfield. I worry about his year off, but he looked great in Indy and has a hunger to him that eases my concerns.

3. Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU--I’ve actually been almost as impressed with the physical corner’s responses to interview questions as I am his blazing speed and big-play ability. He “gets it”, according to everyone that talked to him.

4. Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M--has the right mix of instant impact, long-term greatness potential, and low risk factor. Ideal 3-4 ROLB.

5. Cam Newton, QB, Auburn--Newton has the highest upside of any player in this draft, and I’m more bullish than most that he will attain that upside. But the risk potential is significant, and that scares me more than a little.

6. Da’Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson--lots of Julius Peppers to his game, and his strength against the run makes him safer than a lot of the premium pass rushers.

7. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn--very active interior presence that plays with a rare nastiness and a variety of ways to crash the pocket. Pretty high bust factor is a concern.

8. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama--not as dynamic as Fairley, but Dareus is bigger/faster/stronger and a more well-rounded player. Great violence to his hands.

9. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama--very physical wideout with the size and strength that remind of Anquan Boldin. Great fit for a team looking to complement a deep burner.

10. Anthony Castonzo, T, Boston College--rock-solid, experienced mauler that can start right away at either tackle spot or right guard. One of the safest tackle picks in a long time.

11. Tyron Smith, T, USC
12. Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
13. Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
14. Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado. He’s the best corner in this draft in terms of man coverage before the ball is in the air. But off-field issues and a lack of plays when the ball is in the air are legit concerns.
15. Danny Watkins, G, Baylor--one NFL Dir. of Collegiate Scouting told me the 26-year old has the best feet of any guard he's ever seen enter the draft. His maturity is a major plus.
16. Cameron Jordan, DE, California
17. Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois
18. J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin--has impressive size/speed/strength package with an incredible motor and high football IQ. Reminds me of Jared Allen with 30 more pounds.
19. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama. His short-area burst is fantastic, and his hands and experience in a shared backfield indicate he’s NFL ready. The Emmitt Smith comparisons still make sense.
20. Jerrel Jernigan, WR/KR, Troy. Spotlight: get bonus points for being a dynamic return man, and has proven his versatility--can play RB, slot WR, or split end. He’s a bigger Dexter McCluster with better leg strength.

No CB Prince Akamura (spelling?) in the top 20???

[Bartender]

TSE, can we at least agree that CW would no way be traded to a 34 team? CW was a complete washout in Cleveland in the 34, so a trade that would net us good value for him from dallas our any other 34 team isn't realistic.

I'm sorry that I'm debating your what if, but its just not realistic to happen so I'm not even bothering with the possibility.

[TSE]

Ok sure. I don't need EVERY team to want him, it only takes 1, and all of which I say is predicated that the assumption holds true and that 1 team pulls the trigger as I VOUCH for it be so. I'm the hypothetical GM and I'm telling you I'll find a good trade for him, the onus is on me to prove it and I will, but even if it doesn't come to fruition then CW becomes a new player to trade, and then so forth, all players on the roster have to go through the "should we trade or not trade" process, and CW is just one of several guys on the team that I feel there is at least 1 team out there that would OVERPAY us to get him. And that's partly because I value him LESS than you do, and I probably value Fairley MORE than you do, and I might suspect that either Fairley or Dareus drops FURTHER than you do, thus lowering the cost to get a better talent to maximize Suh and the DL for the future. Those conditions either line up or they don't, and I'm at no risk to attempt to confirm as such before I have to do anything anyhow.

[Bartender]

Ok, lets be hypothetical. What if no team is interested in cw and we are stuck with him? Can we move onto the rest of my original post, now?

[TSE]

I don't see any questions on your post on the previous page, so don't know what you are asking? Also, you still never answered all of my questions, so I'm still confused why you want to ignore the questions I asked you, as well as I don't even know what you are asking of me now.

[Bartender]

I guess that means it's time to end this conversation.

[ajaX82]

I guess that means it's time to end this conversation.

lol yup

[TSE]

I guess that means it's time to end this conversation.

Ok, well feel free to get back to me if you end up having anything to contribute regarding my follow up questions!

[Icness]

No CB Prince Akamura (spelling?) in the top 20???

Nope. I have him at #23. I see him more as a solid starter type and not an impact player and there are guys that will make more impact ahead of him.

[kellmellus50]

I hate to change the topic but i just thought of this last season stafford was running and then took a dive and injured his shoulder and ended his season with out being tackled.

Now instead of falling head first to go down and getting injured why don't the lions teach him to slide down feet first like every other QB in the leauge there by avoiding an season ending injury ? DUH