2010 Draft prospects

Piston Pete · Post #381 » by **Piston Pete** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 9:41 pm

I still like the idea of Mays switching to OLB in the NFL.

Why didn't Roy Williams (the safety) ever do this?

Karlos Dansby and Cato June are the two main ones that come to mind - players that were safeties in college, but OLB's in the NFL.

Post #382 » by **ajaX82** » Wed Mar 3, 2010 12:16 am

mock draft from Yahoo!

The way things stand right now i think it looks fairly accurate. And it has Suh going at 2 to us. which is freakin sweet

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdo ... nfl,225171

Liqourish · Post #383 » by **Liqourish** » Wed Mar 3, 2010 2:14 pm

I don't want to get my hopes up, but by all accounts, the Rams front office is feeling the heat about passing up QBs the past few years. I hope they embrace that heat and fall in love with Bradford.

I WANT SUH DAMMIT!!!!

After that, I have no clue what the Lions will do. They could go in a ton of different directions with their 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Piston Pete · Post #384 » by **Piston Pete** » Wed Mar 3, 2010 3:20 pm

Someone pretty good, who has no business still being on the board, will fall to us at #34....

Bartender · Post #385 » by **Bartender** » Wed Mar 3, 2010 3:27 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Someone pretty good, who has no business still being on the board, will fall to us at #34....

Agreed. Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty are both 1st round talents in ANY other drafts but at least one has to fall to 34, and if not them, then some other first rounder has to drop... either way, we are getting an instant starter and building block at that pick. Same can be said with our 3rd and hopefully 4th and two 5th round picks. That's how deep and talented this draft is. 5th rounders this year is like 3rd rounders last year. Think of it this way. We are going to get two Deandrey Levy caliber players in the 5th round this year.

Piston Pete · Post #386 » by **Piston Pete** » Wed Mar 3, 2010 3:40 pm

^^ I don't know if I'd go that far...

I'd LIKE it to happen, but its doubtful.

Liqourish · Post #387 » by **Liqourish** » Wed Mar 3, 2010 3:45 pm

THis draft is stacked.... but we're still going to see alot of duds mixed in there. Hopefully, we come out with at least 4 or 5 starting quality players like last year.

Piston Pete · Post #388 » by **Piston Pete** » Wed Mar 3, 2010 7:30 pm

mlive is stating we're in a win-win position.

If the Rams take Bradford, we take Suh.

If the Rams take Suh, there will be teams who will want to trade up for Bradford. They mention the Browns and Bills....the Redskins, Seahawks, and Raiders still might be additional options.

Bartender · Post #389 » by **Bartender** » Wed Mar 3, 2010 8:24 pm

Piston Pete wrote:mlive is stating we're in a win-win position.

If the Rams take Bradford, we take Suh.

If the Rams take Suh, there will be teams who will want to trade up for Bradford. They mention the Browns and Bills....the Redskins, Seahawks, and Raiders still might be additional options.

Browns would be nice. Shaun Rogers, Joe Thomas, Josh Cribbs..... they have some pieces we could pick from them and still keep a 1st rounder.

Post #390 » by **ajaX82** » Wed Mar 3, 2010 9:33 pm

Bartender wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:mlive is stating we're in a win-win position.

If the Rams take Bradford, we take Suh.

If the Rams take Suh, there will be teams who will want to trade up for Bradford. They mention the Browns and Bills....the Redskins, Seahawks, and Raiders still might be additional options.

Browns would be nice. Shaun Rogers, Joe Thomas, Josh Cribbs..... they have some pieces we could pick from them and still keep a 1st rounder.

You think the Browns are going to trade their franchise tackle or best player just to move up 3 spots? You're crazy man

Piston Pete · Post #391 » by **Piston Pete** » Wed Mar 3, 2010 9:52 pm

I'd be happy to get their 1st and 2nd rounders....assuming the Lions like someone they could get with the Browns pick....

Or our pick and Backus for theirs and Joe Thomas...

Bartender · Post #392 » by **Bartender** » Wed Mar 3, 2010 10:07 pm

Idk if the dropoff from #2 to #7 is worth getting rid of Backus for Joe Thomas. If that were the case, we should just draft Russell Okung and move Backus to LG. Two birds with one stone type of move.

Point being, I don't even think Joe Thomas can be a successful LT here with our problems at LG.

Piston Pete · Post #393 » by **Piston Pete** » Thu Mar 4, 2010 6:29 pm

OT Campbell (Maryland) is getting a lot of hype after his combine showing. The thought of possibly drafting him with our 2nd rounder scares me....

Bartender · Post #394 » by **Bartender** » Thu Mar 4, 2010 7:36 pm

He won't be around in the 2nd round. Even prior to the combine, he was at least a mid first round pick.

TSE · Post #395 » by **TSE** » Thu Mar 4, 2010 8:49 pm

Bartender wrote:Idk if the dropoff from #2 to #7 is worth getting rid of Backus for Joe Thomas. If that were the case, we should just draft Russell Okung and move Backus to LG. Two birds with one stone type of move.

Point being, I don't even think Joe Thomas can be a successful LT here with our problems at LG.

Wow. You won't move 5 spots to exchange Backus' contract with Joe Thomas!??!?

And yes he can.

Also, we tendered Manny Ramirez for a reason. He's one of the strongest guys in the NFL and he has been developing all this time. Next year's a big year for him to step up his game and he could ascend and solve our problems in-house. Seems like that's what the Lions are keeping an option open for with the tender because they believe he has potential. He has the strength part down and now he's had time to improve his technique and this year is his audition year.

Post #396 » by **Icness** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 5:01 am

Joe Thomas is as untouchable as any player in the league.

This is a big offseason for Manny. I liked him when he came out but he just has not learned how to trust his feet and use his hands at the same time. You can see him do it--he looks down at his feet once he engages a block and then his hands are slow to react if he has to move his feet, which he doesn't always do. He's got two things in his favor: he's cheap and he's played well on FG units.

Piston Pete · Post #397 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 5:03 am

...and he's strong. Just has to learn to put it all together....

Liqourish · Post #398 » by **Liqourish** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 6:44 pm

Rumors swirling that the Lions are really actively trying to trade down from the #2 pick. Apparently they want Okung and another player. I don't know how true this is beyond the fact that Okung is a good player and the Lions have had dinner with him.

I still think Suh is option #1 if available.

TSE · Post #399 » by **TSE** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:28 pm

Liqourish wrote:Rumors swirling that the Lions are really actively trying to trade down from the #2 pick. Apparently they want Okung and another player. I don't know how true this is beyond the fact that Okung is a good player and the Lions have had dinner with him.

I still think Suh is option #1 if available.

It's a good rumor to hear at least. That's the best play in this draft, to trade down to 5 (in multiple steps if possible and to our advantage) and land Okung or Berry, or to further drop from there if there's another deal which there could be and should be.

Basically, I like this draft for the 1-5 spots, and then for the 25-40 range (amongst some good low round picks but just focusing on the 2 headliner round sweet spots). I'd prefer to consolidate down as much as we can to the range, and then to consolidate up with other picks into that range. And then to trade up to 45 of our expendable players for additional equity towards picks in that gap. And to make it even more narrow, the sweet spot that I like the most is more geared specifically towards the 28-38 range. Basically within 5-6 spots in front and back of us are the picks that I like the most. Cash in everything we have starting with the most expendable assets into this new group, and go as far as you comfortably can towards this direction. Oh and I do like connector picks, not as strong as they are in poker, but still cool to have! I have trade simulations where we end up with 6 picks in this draft all connected with our current 2nd rounder.

And secondarily, to line up opportunities to put some of that equity towards 2011 and beyond drafts is also key, to get a leg up in the newly high valued super picks of the future. That's a must to make preparations for. And we have lots of ways to reshape our future drafts starting with moves that need to be made before this draft concludes. I'm certain Mayhew won't make any progress on this important avenue though, it's completely the opposite of his apparent philosophy.

Walking away with one extra first rounder through packaging players on the roster today, low draft picks this year, and 3-7 picks next year is a must at some point. And so on for each subsequent season for the next 100 years. In many cases more than 2 will become the benchmark at certain stages/cycles of having this kind of logical roster machine. If you properly develop equity through the harnessing of margins over time, this equity can be enough juice to create the self-replenishment that the roster design machine needs in order to secure an exceptionally high confidence level of not breaking down to an irreparable point that can't be fixed with pre-planned maintenance aided by abundantly available and simple contingency plans.

Bartender · Post #400 » by **Bartender** » Sat Mar 6, 2010 4:20 pm

I somewhat agree with you TSE, but only to a point. Yeah, a true rebuild is a 3 year rebuilding process and next year will be year 3 of 3, but I'd rather not have getting next year picks as a goal. That should be a back up plan. Every year, I wanna focus on getting better THAT year.

And we just don't have the talent to get first round picks from other team. Our best players that are on the block (Sims and Peterson) are only 3rd round value. It will be very hard for teams to overprice for our players.

But I do agree on trading to the 5 spot 100%. I'm only scared that if we do that, Washington will draft Okung. That would break my heart and it is very plausible for them to do. And another thing, trading down to the 5 spot will be VERY difficult because every team in that area thinks that they are in the perfect spot. KC is currently number 5 and I don't think there's ANY chance they will budge. If I was KC, my thoughts will be, "Why would I trade up for Suh and lose more picks when I can get almost equal talent at another position 3 spots down while saving money."

This draft is SOOOOOOOOO deep that I can bet half the teams in the league are saying that.