Post Lockout moves

[ajaX82]

What a win of an offeason.

Trust in the Mathew.

Yep. I've had absolute faith since the Roy Williams trade/sexual assaulting of Dallas. These last few drafts and FA periods have done nothing to sway me

[Todd3]

Tulloch signed a 1 year deal with us for $3.25M. Barnett cancelled his flight last night and stayed in Buffalo. Sounds like they promised him a starting job and loads of play time, and we probably weren't willing to promise as much, or maybe he didn't want to play against his precious Packers? Just trying to figure out why somebody would choose to play for Buffalo j/k.

I think he cancelled his flight because we chose Tulloch instead of him, who was our #1 target.

[Todd3]

We need to go after Samuels with our 3rd rounder. Houston is good, but who is opposite him?

If we put Samuels next to Houston, with Delmas behind, our D backfield would be really good. Combined with the great front 7 and we could have one of the best D's in the league.

Even if we cant get Samuels, I think are DB's are going to automatically look better than they really are because of the dominant front 7. Kind of like how Ben/Rasheed made Rip/Chauncey look like much better defenders than they really were.

[TSE]

I'd rather trade KVB and/or CW towards Asante. They can have both, and more, and then send us draft picks in change.

We should trade our 2-7 picks in the next year's draft, along with any older or expensive players we can, and go for less quantity more quality players to top off our future foundation. I'd like to leave ourselves with just 3 picks in the next draft, and 2 in 2013, all first rounders, and use those back round picks and these other players to shape up and get position for 5 premium adds over the next 2 drafts; as long as we have 4 1st rounders at least we will be in sweet shape. But 5 is doable.

The 5 guys could be: Quinton Coples at DE, Mark Barron at S, an LT to replace Backus, a Center to replace Raiola, and a CB. That was easy, what's on tap for 2014? The 2 best guards in the draft and more!

[MoGrAdY]

I'm trying to figure out why we only gave Tulloch a 1-year deal....

Tolloch's choice. From what I've read in different places basically a lot of these FA's aren't getting the money they want so they are signing 1 yr deal's to collect next off season. I'm sure if he has a good season we will be more than happy to pay him next yr.

[kellmellus50]

The Detroit Lions are losing some depth on their defensive line.
Turk McBride had 5 sacks last year part time, big loss for lions

Backup defensive end Turk McBride agreed to terms with the New Orleans Saints today.

[Icness]

Seattle released Lofa Tatupu. He would be great in Detroit.

Bummer that McBride left but he goes from #7 DL here to potentially starting in New Orleans.

[cochiseuofm]

Does anyone know what our remaining cap space is after all of these signings? Or what Houston / Durant / Wright signed for?

[TSE]

Seattle released Lofa Tatupu. He would be great in Detroit.

Bummer that McBride left but he goes from #7 DL here to potentially starting in New Orleans.

Yes, but McBride also could have been the #1 best DE for the next 5 years out of all the DEs we have. Just because he's #7 for us right now on the DC doesn't mean that we should miss the loss any less. We surely had choices that we made that had we made different choices, then McBride could be staying and somebody else could be leaving. Bottom line is we didn't turn McBride's acquisition into a profitable exit strategy, and that missed opportunity comes off the top of the value of the complete franchise, and it's those resources that make up our odds to win the SB this year and in future years. We failed to manage ourselves to a more complete realization of his potential value, and that's Mayhew's mistake. He can't get that back, all he can do is make up for it with other moves, but he should be doing that anyway. Either way, this wasn't the best path for us to let him walk for free IMO. Maybe if we traded the older players like KVB like I wanted, then maybe Turk gets slightly more money and play time to stay. I like KVB and wouldn't be shocked if he was one of the best DE's in the league this year, but the combo of him and McBride as a package have a total value, and the only way to maximize the total value is to manage both pieces against each other and in concert with each other efficiently. And I think the KVB trade salvage value + keeping the young possibly breaking out hard McBride is worth more than McBride walking and letting KVB play out his time at this age with limited future beyond that.

And that's just one way we could have saved McBride, there are many more. Anyhow, maybe we end up finding some sweet deal for Umenyiora now that he's on the trade block, or there's always Aaron Maybin that could soon be available cheap to be the guy to replace McBride as the potential guy that took longer than the first team was willing to wait.

[kellmellus50]

DE claimed off waivers by Lions has yet to report

The Detroit Lions claimed defensive end Hilee Taylor off waivers Sunday from the Carolina Panthers according to a transaction report on NFL.com. But Taylor did not report to the Lions and was placed on the reserve/did not report list

http://www.freep.com/article/20110801/S ... yet-report

Second-year player Willie Young looked much better in using his strength, combing some power with his edge speed. The Lions are cautiously optimistic about Young, who had some immaturity problems last year that seem to be behind him. Young could be one of the reasons Turk McBride, a key backup at defensive end, opted to go to the New Orleans Saints in free agency.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/20 ... ion_2.html

[TSE]

Yeah I don't mind gambling on Willie Young, that's not why I don't like losing McBride though, has nothing to do with Young. TM is also young, and he has shown a lot of promise, and he was a keeper. It was better to swap KVB for equal value elsewhere so that we can have both TM and WY (or any one of our DEs that we can get the highest % of what that DE is worth, nevertheless a deal had to be planned for in advanced and surely executed).

That way we have 3 guys either playing for us or being used for value by us. Mayhew couldn't manufacture that score and we only get the value of 2 of the 3 resource options now. And sure we save some money that can be spent elsewhere, but that applies to the other players too. And having the dollars in a TM type of asset is a higher valued place to invest your resources than most other categories, so our saved dollars go to a lesser producing portfolio on average.

[kellmellus50]

Turk was a good pass rusher but i do not believe that he was a good run stopper ? that could also be another reason lions let him go.i do belive too they could have signed him and turned around and traded him to get some value out of the sign and trade, management was wrong on this letting value go for nothing reminds me of polonco the tigers let him go for nothing too..

[TSE]

Well it's all fine and dandy once Osi gets traded to Detroit and gets a huge contract and Icness then has a heart attack. I just think that Osi or Samuel are guys that Mayhew is going to want and he's working up a plan right now to pull off his best trade option for the season; it's brewing, and it will be done by the end of the week according to new reports saying Osi will be dealt by then. Fasten your seatbelts! lol

[kellmellus50]

Several league sources said the Baltimore Ravens, Denver Broncos, San Diego Chargers, St. Louis Rams and Seattle Seahawks have shown interest either to the Giants or Umenyiora's agent, Tony Agnone. However, the combination of the Giants' asking price (a first-round pick) and Umenyiora's demand for a new contract has dissuaded all from making a deal thus far.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... line_stack

Zach Follett says he is no longer with the Detroit Lions

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/20 ... led_i.html

According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, Barnett and the Bills agreed to a three-year, $12 million deal with $6 million guaranteed

[ajaX82]

Follett released, sounds like a neck thing to me, though I believe we denied that. My guess is homies career is over. Too bad, i liked him

Bobby Carpenter is back though! He'll definitely help the LB depth

Sign Avril and we be done

[TSE]

This Osi drama in NY is hilarious. Now he doesn't have permission to seek a trade lol. These Giants are so stupid. All they had to do was tell him to pipe down, and before the season starts they would have found him a trading partner if he didn't act like a big baby and then tip off to the league that he could be had for a discount. Osi just wants the money, and the best way for him to get the money would be to keep quiet, wait til somebody's DE gets hurt in the preseason, and then go into negotiating with his new team with MUCH more leverage. Osi is too stupid and his agent is too stupid to figure this out, so the GM of the Giants should have figured it out and already had this discussion with him, it's not like it was a secret that Osi was looking for a contract, they had to have had conversations and many months if not years of notice that this day was coming, and they didn't do anything to remotely appropriately handle this manner. Those guys are really stupid in NY, the team, the player and the agent. It was just too early to pull this stunt, and now it's going to cost all 3 of them more than what they had to give up.

[TSE]

Follett released, sounds like a neck thing to me, though I believe we denied that. My guess is homies career is over. Too bad, i liked him

Bobby Carpenter is back though! He'll definitely help the LB depth

Sign Avril and we be done

Anybody know where to find the complete accurate roster, is there a site that keeps that up to date? It's definitely not available on the Lion's website, they still list Chris Houston as an FA, so I just want to know if they have a list that shows whose actually a member of the team including all the UDFAs. Also, what's with Barry Turner, he's an ERFA apparently.

http://www.detroitlions.com/team/roster.html

Also, what's in the cards for LB Landon Johnson and Vinny Circiu, will they get a shot to compete or return to the team? I'm assuming a resounding yes, cause that's why Mayhew signed them here in the first place right? I mean I never wanted anything to do with those players as it was obvious that they were completely worthless for the future, and there were lots of young LB prospects that we could have gained something from on using that time for them. So when are these guys going to sign and contribute to the team? I'm assuming Mayhew has big plans for them or he's going to explain his justification of why there were here in the first place at some point? Same with DeVries, when are we going to win a SB with him or trade him for value? We wasted 120 games on him. There was no point to his whole career here and nothing to be gained. When are we getting an explanation and our money back for that? Ehh, that's enough of my gripes for now.

[TSE]

Lions released Jack Williams, that's interesting, I wonder if it was a health issue, probably was. He was one of the guys I've been hearing that coaches thought was a possible dark horse. This is probably a sign that we like enough of the young guys like Aaron Berry, and maybe they have noticed somebody else that looks promising. I think either Aaron Berry or Nathan Vasher is the guy that would have lost his roster spot if JW would have made the team, so I bet they are the two happiest people with the news. Or we could be clearing a locker for Kelvin Hayden or Donte Whitner? Those are the last signable DBs if they want to add anybody else.

[kellmellus50]

I also read somewhere the lions are 5 million over the cap so they could be downsizing ?

[TSE]

I also read somewhere the lions are 5 million over the cap so they could be downsizing ?

Maybe they will get Stafford to rework his contract to something that is closer to fair. Or maybe a trade of KVB or CW or Stafford is in our future. We could also extend CJ to a much longer contract and lower our cap hit this year by doing so.