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Piston Pete · Post #441 » by **Piston Pete** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:47 pm

FA RB's that the Lions should look to bring in for depth this season:

1) Bring back Aaron Brown
2) Joique Bell
3) Does Ladell Betts have anything left in the tank?
4) Correll Buckhalter
5) John Clay
6) Laurence Maroney
7) Clinton Portis

Post #442 » by **Icness** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:09 pm

Joique Bell is an interesting name, I kind of forgot about him. Local boy. He is pretty redundant with Keiland Williams though.

I've heard Portis is out of shape. That acutally goes back to right before the season, not sure what his status is right now.

I wouldn't be opposed to Aaron Brown. Tyrell Sutton (late of Carolina) is another practice squad guy I'd look at. 3rd down back type from Northwestern.

Piston Pete · Post #443 » by **Piston Pete** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:33 pm

Iceness - Do you have a way to look up which RB's we could sign off other team's practice squads? That may be another good way to go. At least those type of players have been practicing.....

We currently only have 2 healthy RBs on the roster (not going to count Clapp). We need to get at least 2 more guys (3rd on PS) asap for depth at the least.

Post #444 » by **Icness** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:26 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Iceness - Do you have a way to look up which RB's we could sign off other team's practice squads? That may be another good way to go. At least those type of players have been practicing.....

We currently only have 2 healthy RBs on the roster (not going to count Clapp). We need to get at least 2 more guys (3rd on PS) asap for depth at the least.

I have yet to find a good cleaing house place to look up who is on practice squads. I usually go to NFL.com or Yahoo and look at rosters by position. I try to keep up with all the transactions but my head gets cloudy with all the info,

Piston Pete · Post #445 » by **Piston Pete** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:26 pm

I found this, but it is quite a bit outdated: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... -nfl-teams

Some guys that stood out to me from PS guys from the above list:
1) Chris Ogbonnaya (Texans)
2) Evan Royster (Redskins)
3) Damien Berry (Ravens)
4) Brandon Saine (Packers)

TSE · Post #446 » by **TSE** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:55 am

This is the best site I know of for current PS lists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cu ... am_rosters

To Piston Pete that has a list of RBs, I would add Xavier Omon to the list of current PSers. And also Tristan Davis, I think he is an FA now. He was just recently on the Steelers roster and bumped to the PS and then cut like just 2 days ago. That guy deserved at least a chance based on some big runs for us and I think the Vikings he ripped some good runs.

Aaron Brown would be fun. He's worth more than Morris or Keiland or Ronnie Brown. Cheaper, younger, and more potential upside; totally worth a gamble and experimentation. Every team has at least 2 players on their roster who don't deserve to be on an NFL team. It's crazy. And we give a roster spot to guys like Rashied Davis and Vincent Fuller, oh and Joe Jon Finley? That's just sick. So many PS players that we could be playing with, hell I'd rather take the desperate, old, and injured Terrell Owens long before somebody who has absolutely nothing to offer. At least Finley has some youth, but getting lucky on a dark-horse TE is not the position we need to be investigating right now. That would have been a good idea if we would have traded Scheffler away for incoming material, instead of exposing him to injury and thus getting nothing.

We have no logical game plan of use or exit strategy for hardly any of our non #1 first stringers; this is asinine football planning. EVERY single player should have a valid purpose or exit strategy that is logical.

chrbal · Post #447 » by **chrbal** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:43 pm

So is there any chance Philly waives Ronnie Brown now that we realize it wasn't them regretting this trade? (A rumor before the truth of the tumor came out)

Piston Pete · Post #448 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:55 pm

chrbal wrote:So is there any chance Philly waives Ronnie Brown now that we realize it wasn't them regretting this trade? (A rumor before the truth of the tumor came out)

I would guess absolutely not.

If they were just going to cut a RB, they would have kept our 7th rounder and cut/IR-ed Harrison. Doesn't make any sense for them to give us our pick back just to cut Brown afterwards.

TSE · Post #449 » by **TSE** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:18 am

Well he is on a one year contract, so if they lose a couple more games they might waive him to free up a spot to experiment with a younger player. Although they probably wouldn't be smart enough to think of that.

There were a couple more RBs released lately, Jordan Todman and Darren Evans, both were pretty decent in college and never had a shot to play. Either guy would make sense over Buckley who is much older (Todman is 5 years younger, 3 for Evans) and has had a chance to play while doing nothing special with that chance.

kellmellus50 · Post #450 » by **kellmellus50** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:41 am

We should trade Stafford , i am not happy with our up and down QB ,sometimes he's on sometimes hes way off. and most of the time he is in a shotgun how hard can that be.
And still does not get it done.
Maybe he is still a rookie and will take all year to get better and we have to give him time to grow ? who knows i am not a head doctor.

TSE · Post #451 » by **TSE** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:28 am

There hasn't been one second since we drafted Stafford that I haven't wanted to trade him. Not because I don't think he can be great, but the price was not right for me and it was in my opinion always in our best interest to trade him for whatever we could get up until the deadline has passed. So when the trading window opens up again next offseason, we might finally be beyond the breakeven point where it is better to keep him. Just depends on how well he progresses and what his trade value will be then, but if there was ever a time to not trade him, then we might have finally hit that spot. And we had better options to position ourselves for the Andrew Luck pick in the past, but next offseason it's not like we can trade Stafford for the 1st overall pick. Two seasons ago was the time to trade for next year's draft when those picks would have been obtainable cheaper. Trading for them next year in the present after our assets have depreciated is just not the way to go. You need to be 1-2 drafts ahead at all times to snipe out the best deals. Plus i would have cleaned out half the roster by now to get rid of all the logical players to dump and that would have given us loads of material for future drafts without really giving away anybody that isn't expendable or replaceable for a profit.

Lionlifer · Post #452 » by **Lionlifer** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:50 pm

TSE wrote:There hasn't been one second since we drafted Stafford that I haven't wanted to trade him.

I think we have all gathered that at this point in time, time to stop beating the horse, its dead already. I can appreciate your steadfastness in what you think, but it just murders the threads when we go down this path every week.

TSE · Post #453 » by **TSE** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:42 pm

Well whose fault is that? Maybe the Lions should be responsible with their choices so their fans don't have to bicker with each other all the time. My strategy I asked for was to dominate and win the vast majority of the time so guys like you could talk about how glorious times are. If the Lions or other Lion's fans dont' want to hear that crap, then get Mr. Ford to do his job and delegate power to competent and responsible parties and then that stuff will go away. It doesn't have to be me in charge, I just merely think that is the easiest solution to the problem cause I can qualify myself and I am unable to qualify anybody else. So if Mr. Ford can find another, fine by me I've got lots of other huge responsibilities that I could work on it doesn't have to be running the Lions, but not fine until then, until then this team deserves nothing but well more than 100x the flak that I dish out. It's the golden rule and I'm giving them a HUGE discount because of how forgiving I am.

Lionlifer · Post #454 » by **Lionlifer** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:42 pm

TSE wrote:It doesn't have to be me in charge, I just merely think that is the easiest solution to the problem cause I can qualify myself and I am unable to qualify anybody else. So if Mr. Ford can find another, fine by me

I'm sure he will find another, so at least we can sleep well at night.

ElectricMayhem · Post #455 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:11 am

You'll get the full support of everyone on the Lions board to get you a gig as an NFL GM. We'll write recommendations, sign a petition, whatever, so you can break into the league as GM of the Packers, Bears, or Vikings.

TSE · Post #456 » by **TSE** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:44 pm

Hmm, so you think I would be a terrible GM, thus you want me to be in charge of somebody in our division. That's one brilliant stratagem! :roll:

Anyhow let me try and change topics with an actually useful and thoughtful strategy tidbit to help pass the next couple of hours until our game. To protect our wildcard chances it would be nice to see Miami beat the Giants, and the Bills taking out WAS would be helpful. If the NFC East can stay depressed well we know the NFC West is no threat for a WC; that would make TB, CHI, and ATL as our top WC threats. All 3 of them are on a bye this week so NYG and WAS are about the only key games of interest this week. DAL does play PHI, but I think PHI is the better team despite being one win below them (plus we have a better chance to beat DAL on a tiebreaker) and since they play each other again that pretty much makes today's game pointless and we will simply want whichever team that wins today to lose the next game between the two of them. Let's go Miami and Buffalo!

chrbal · Post #457 » by **chrbal** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 4:35 pm

Your teams would constantly change QBs, most of your depth would be Pratice Sqaud worthy players, and every trade deadline you would trade whatever good depth you had in favor of building for the future. At best you might have a fluke 5-11 season, but more likely you would get Thank You Cards from Matt Millen for drawing attention away from his "accomplishments" as a GM.

Oh and Tashard Choice (not related to this post, but this topic is Around the League) got claimed by the Redskins. To me it doesn't seem like a great idea to claim a player whose been promised an injury settlement if no one claims him...but what do i know.

TSE · Post #458 » by **TSE** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 11:45 pm

My teams would win, and your predictions would be far off. And I don't know what you know, I just believe you to be a bad predictor of hypothetical events. And claiming any player that has been released has a lot of concerns, that's built into the suspected givens. Most teams don't cut players that are great or that they see as very valuable, usually there's a reason, and most of the time it's because they were slow in figuring out that the player sucks, especially if it's in the middle of a season. A smarter GM would figure out in advance who we wants to be on his team. The more times you cut a guy, the more times you admit you made a mistake. That ties into the logic behind why I think your predictions of the quality of my team are so far off, cause I use tremendous care and logical thought in deciding who to bring to the team in the first place whether it's from a trade or the draft. The only reason why I recommend for the Lions to pick up so many new players is because they don't do that in advance. Once my team is set with 53 qualified players that I'm happy with; I would likely have more guys on average sticking with the team. Plus also having an uber-dominant team makes it easier to get good players to sign for less money and longer terms than the average team, so I would have that advantage as well.

Piston Pete · Post #459 » by **Piston Pete** » Wed Nov 2, 2011 2:21 pm

I'm surprised Oakland signed TJ Housmanzadeh (spelling?) instead of just going after Terrell Owens. For the money, TO is still head and shoulders above Who'syurdaddy?

chrbal · Post #460 » by **chrbal** » Wed Nov 2, 2011 3:48 pm

While Palmer was on vacation he was working out with TJ and the Raiders apparently wanted someone Carson was familiar with.

For TSE, my entire analysis was based on things you've posted. Your team would suck. I think you might be better off (hypothetically) with the NFL then MlB. Your Casey Fien obsession and all.

Had to look this one up, but this was a key point;

TSE wrote:

CJ is definitely a valuable guy to trade because he's too good and there's no sense in having him if you aren't going to use him in the Super Bowl. We are better off taking future value instead of watching him waste away and giving us no return in terms of SB hardware which is what it's all about. CJ would have been great if we would have used the last 2-3 years to fix the team, but we did it too slow and we have to re-organize at some point. What do you want to do, have CJ be here for 15 more years where we don't make the playoffs? No thanks.

Suh is only a one year rookie and playing at a high level and we have time left with him to turn things around, so not really any point to trading him unless somebody offers a crazy deal. Nothing wrong with trading Pettigrew, a swap is a swap, one position for another, I would imagine a Pettigrew trade would be pretty neutral but still more likely a benefit because the dropoff in value from him to Scheffler or somebody else isn't as big of a win contribution factor as a better player at another key position is over his backup.

So yeah, I'm OPEN-MINDED about trading all of those guys except Suh, which would just require somebody to drop a monster offer on the table, but not expecting it to come.

There is more to the post, but the bold is all we really need. At what point did the Lions have an oppurtunity to use CJ is the Super Bowl? So the Lions should trade a guy that will help them get better because we haven't used him in the Super Bowl.

I'm somewhat of the mindset that you are alternate username of Iceness when he wants to phuck around with people.