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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#461 » by Icness » Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:53 am

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kellmellus50 wrote:TSE your the man, everybody else was wrong.


Well the best choice was so obvious. And staying away from CBs so we can target them via FA is great. We could take a WR in Rd 2 like Jernigan, or an OT like Derrek Sherrod, or Danny Watkins if he drops, we could get Ingram or Leshoure potentially, or we could get Rahim Moore at Safety, but most likely I think we will most likely go LB plus I think all those guys will be gone and only the LBs will be left anyhow.

Perhaps Bruce Carter falls to us, that's my premonition! :)


I will be much happier if tomorrow produces an offensive tackle and a OLB. I would be happy with Jernigan as well and pass on the OL, but a LB tomorrow HAS to happen.
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#462 » by Icness » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:03 am

Just talked to a Bears guy, and he pointed out to me that Chicago, Minnesota, and Green Bay are all varying degrees of bad up the gut on OL. Slowly warming to it but still not thrilled.
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#463 » by ElectricMayhem » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:17 am

What would be the price of trading up into the 20s and getting Castonzo or Watkins? If they sacrificed a big chunk of the rest of their draft, would it be worth it?
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#464 » by kellmellus50 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:19 am

The lions will wait i am sure the guy they want will fall into their laps.they have too many needs to trade up.
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#465 » by ajaX82 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:21 am

I'm also warming to it. The thought of just the meanest DL in the league is enticing. And if any team could handle a guy like Fairly, its us with Schwartz, Suh and KVB. You don't need good LBs or DBs if your DTs are eating the QB or RB within two seconds.

If we can get good value in the second and third, I will be much happier
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#466 » by TSE » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:26 am

kellmellus50 wrote:The lions will wait i am sure the guy they want will fall into their laps.they have too many needs to trade up.


Yeah. There is nobody to trade up for. We need to stick, or possibly drop back if there's some kind of interesting deal which I doubt would happen to be the case. There is a chance though that a handful of guys could last and it might be cool to drop back 10-15 picks in exchange for boosting our 4th or 5th to try and get into the final fringes of the good player drops at the end of Round 3 or middle even.
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#467 » by TSE » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:28 am

Icness wrote:Slowly warming to it but still not thrilled.


But it's a TSE endorsed pick. You should be able to sleep well tonight knowing that.
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#468 » by Icness » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:32 am

I'm actually much less worried about CB than before...but now getting a reliable coverage safety becomes a higher priority for me. Teams attack stacked DLs by quick throws over the middle to TEs and slot guys, or draws/play action. The corners will sit in short zone or press more, which means the safeties have to be GREAT over the top and rangy across the middle. I would love Marcus Gilchrist tomorrow. Gimmie Gilchrist and Bruce Carter tomorrow and I'm thrilled. Follow it with Jeremy Kerley and Jake Kirkpatrick on Sat. and I'm ecstatic.
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#469 » by Han Solo » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:03 am

Love the pick - He's a top 5 talent we got at 13
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#470 » by Lionlifer » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:28 am

I was really hoping for a DE, as KVB is oldish and coming off those neck issues, and Avril is kind of a let down. Honestly, I thought Quinn would look really good in Blue and Silver.

I would feel a bit better about this pick if we could trade Corey Williams for something, anything that fills a need, but that isn't going to happen.

Overall, I think this draft had way more suprises than I was expecting, and the Lions really took advantage of the rush on QBs and other positions. The middle of our line should be epic for the next decade, so that helps make the pick easier to swallow.
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#471 » by Manocad » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:40 am

Han Solo wrote:Love the pick - He's a top 5 talent we got at 13

I'm with ya. While the Lions had more pressing needs it's tough to pass up that kind of talent at 13. This pick could make their D-line an absolute terror.
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#472 » by ajaX82 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:59 am

Fairley will be wearing #98, in case anyone wants to get that jersey order in

Definitely feeling better than my initial thought. If we draft well and really help solidify the D in the upcoming rounds I will feel really good
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#473 » by ajaX82 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:04 am

some quick quotes from rapidreports. Positive stuff

DT Nick Fairley wasn't concerned that he slipped all the way to the Lions' 13th pick. "It's just the way (the draft) landed," Fairley said. "I'm blessed to be a part of the Detroit Lions now. I'm ready to go and ready to come in and get the work done."


DT Nick Fairley said he can learn from playing alongside reigning Defensive Rookie of the Year Ndamukong Suh . "Playing with Suh is going to be an honor," Fairley said. "To be able to play next to him. I can't wait to get in and pick his brain."



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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#474 » by ajaX82 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:16 am

So with the destruction that is now our DLine, where do we look in Rd 2 and 3 on Friday?

For Rd. 2, at CB, you will have Harris from Miami, Dowling from Virginia, Gilchrist from Clemson and a host of other guys. We should get a crack at somebody decent

at OLB Ayers may still be there. Carter will. Martez Wilson maybe?

Do we continue to try and remake the D or do we look at WR (Titus Young, Jerel Jernigan) or OL?
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#475 » by TSE » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:48 am

I'm guessing our pick will come from Mayhew's BPA of these 5:

RB Leshoure
WR Jernigan
DE Bowers
LB Carter
S Moore
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#476 » by ajaX82 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:54 am

TSE wrote:I'm guessing our pick will come from Mayhew's BPA of these 5:

RB Leshoure
WR Jernigan
DE Bowers
LB Carter
S Moore


Don't think we will touch DL again this early and I'm not sure RB is such a high concern right now. I think either a slot WR (Young or Jernigan) or maybe a LB like Carter are definitely realistic options.
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#477 » by ElectricMayhem » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:32 am

With Reggie Bush out in NO, any interest in him? Obviously I wouldn't expect the Heisman-Hyped version, but if we don't get as much OL help as we need, he could be a good safety valve, catching passes out of the backfield, saving Stafford from more trips to the Injured list. Will he be asking for too much?
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#478 » by ElectricMayhem » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:02 am

A roundup of the media's take on Fairley:

First from Pre-Draft articles...
From our own Jeff Risdon (Drafted #4 in the "What I Would Do" article):
Fairley has an extremely high bust risk, but if any team can make it work for him, it's Marvin Lewis' Bengals. He and Domata Peko together would present major problems between the tackles for offenses, which is where I believe the new hot trend for defenses to attack is heading. Fairley is markedly better on tape than last year's #3 pick Gerald McCoy and they are very stylistically similar.

Read more: http://football.realgm.com/src_encroach ... z1Ku1TzUJp


Peter King, taking him at #8
Tennessee was rarely as toothless defensively under Jeff Fisher as it was in his last season, and the lack of interior pressure from the line was a big part of that. Fairley doesn't come without risk, however. He was a one-year wonder at Auburn, and there are questions about how dedicated he'll be.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... z1Ku2l3QHP


Don Banks, taking him at #8
If the Titans sit tight, they'll take Fairley and feel confident they're getting one of the draft's slam-dunk top 10 prospects.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... z1Ku32v7fr


NFL Blog Network via ESPN (Paul Kuharsky) picking him at #8
A DT with Fairley's power and feet can impact the entire defense, and the Titans need a big transformation on that side of the ball.


Pete Prisco rates him the #1 player in the draft
I don't understand how people have dropped him down the board. Watch his tape. He destroys guys. And I have talked to coaches who like the kid. I did as well.


Then, reactions to the draft.

Jason Cole (Labeled Lions "Winners)
Some might consider it overkill to draft defensive tackle Nick Fairley when the Lions took Ndamukong Suh(notes) last year. I completely disagree. If you have a chance to create a dominant, overpowering defensive line, you do it. There are concerns about Fairley’s work ethic, which caused him to drop from a possible top five pick to No. 13. However, Suh’s intensity could drive Fairley to play harder. One of Fairley’s first comments when he met with the media after being drafted: “I can’t wait to line up next to [Suh]”. With Suh and Fairley, both of whom have a serious mean streak and are quick enough to slide outside in certain situations to play defensive end, the Lions could actually be ferocious (sorry, I couldn’t resist) on defense for the first time in about three decades.


Nolan Nawarocki
The rush to fill quarterback needs pushed Fairley down the draft board, along with concerns about his character. However, head coach Jim Schwartz knew how to get the most out of Albert Haynesworth in Tennessee and now could have the most disruptive pair of interior defensive linemen in the NFL. The key for Fairley will be limiting the number of snaps he plays and making sure veterans like Kyle Vanden Bosch can keep him focused.


Peter King
Nick Fairley. Manna from heaven. Fairley and Suh, next to each other, rushing the passer? Why, that's unfairly.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... z1Ku8jUe4t


Kevin Seifert
If you had a choice between addressing a weakness or enhancing a strength, what choice would you make? It’s not an easy choice.


Fairley
The Detroit Lions landed on the latter, and I can’t criticize them for it as long Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley proves inaccurate the character questions that caused his fall from the top 10. Because when you talk about a defensive line with a shaped-up Fairley, along with Ndamukong Suh, Corey Williams, Kyle Vanden Bosch, Cliff Avril, Sammie Lee Hill and Lawrence Jackson, you’re talking about probably the best defensive line in football.

The Lions surely have needs at cornerback and outside linebacker, but an elite defensive line can cover up weakness in the back end much easier than the other way around. I still have no idea who the Lions will line up at three of their four secondary positions and two of their three linebacker spots, but I can tell you one thing: They’ve got a chance to have a lights-out defensive line.

“Nasty,” is the way Fairley described it on ESPN Radio.

General manager Martin Mayhew has drafted fairly predictably in his first two years in the job. He faced his first really difficult draft decision Thursday night, and we can only trust he feels comfortable with Fairley from a character standpoint. I wonder if he would have made this pick without strong personalities like Vanden Bosch and Suh already in the locker room.

The Lions aren’t in a personnel position to be flippant with their first-round picks. But if Fairley proves him right, it’s a home run for Mayhew.


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The Lions may have landed great value with Fairley at the No. 13 pick. He was the top defender on the national champion Auburn defense and a true train-wrecker of an interior lineman. He chalked up 11.5 sacks and 24 tackles for loss in 2010, incredible numbers for a DT -- better than many of the pure pass rushers in the draft, including several taken ahead of him. His stock appeared to drop in recent weeks over questions about work ethic. But if he lives up to the potential, the Lions will have the NFLs deadliest combination of young defensive linemen with Fairley and last year's No. 1, Ndamukong Suh.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/footba ... z1KuAG5c00


Pete Prisco (Lions get only A+)
This is a steal. He was the top player on my board. Now he plays next to Suh. Good luck handling that tandem for years to come.
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#479 » by Lionlifer » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:37 pm

Kind of a side note, but did anyone else notice how all the announcers refered to the Lions as an up an coming team, and had *gasp* good things to say about us.

I'm not gonna lie, it was nice for a change.
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Re: Draft Talk 

Post#480 » by Piston Pete » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:52 pm

Value-wise, picking Fairley at #13 is great value. I can't be upset about taking a poor player cuz it obviously didn't happen - just worry about fit/need. Like others have said, what we do thru the rest of the draft will either confuse me a little further or make me like this pick more.

And for all the nit-picking earlier, did Prince A. make it to #13?? :roll:

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