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If we could trade down to 4, draft Okung and pick up an extra pick i would be thrilled. I'm just not sure why Washington wants to move down 2 spots
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ajaX82 wrote:If we could trade down to 4, draft Okung and pick up an extra pick i would be thrilled. I'm just not sure why Washington wants to move down 2 spots
Yeah me either. Imo, Washington is in the perfect spot. They either get Okung or Bradford or Clausen who should be their top three choices.
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Well it looks like Rams are going Bradford, so I'm expecting to trade Suh to TB, cause they fear that I will take Suh. If they don't make an offer, I draft Suh and we all know TB will eventually cough up something, even anything I'd take, but I bet we get a lot cause there will be plenty of other teams we could deal Suh to.
Then, at 3, WAS is at 4 and wants Claussen, the last QB. If they don't, well who in the NFL does want Claussen and whoever wants him most, they are probably open to taking him at 4 I would think! So let's deal him to THAT team. WAS then says ok come on now, we are just 1 spot, just give us Claussen so you can stay at 4 and get Okung and we'll give you something small for 1 spot. So that's how we get to 4. Or maybe they want Berry and don't want KC/CLE trading for Berry.
If not 4, then 3, if say only the TB trade works out. Also we could get 5, since obviously there's a reason to go to 2 ahead of TB if that team wants Suh. So there's a definitive plan of 3, 4, or 5, and it just comes down to which combo pans out. I'm prepared for all 3, as well as all 31 other picks of the first round as well. I am obsessed with truly considering all possibilities so I actually do consider all of them. Every...thing is what I think of and consider.
Then, at 3, WAS is at 4 and wants Claussen, the last QB. If they don't, well who in the NFL does want Claussen and whoever wants him most, they are probably open to taking him at 4 I would think! So let's deal him to THAT team. WAS then says ok come on now, we are just 1 spot, just give us Claussen so you can stay at 4 and get Okung and we'll give you something small for 1 spot. So that's how we get to 4. Or maybe they want Berry and don't want KC/CLE trading for Berry.
If not 4, then 3, if say only the TB trade works out. Also we could get 5, since obviously there's a reason to go to 2 ahead of TB if that team wants Suh. So there's a definitive plan of 3, 4, or 5, and it just comes down to which combo pans out. I'm prepared for all 3, as well as all 31 other picks of the first round as well. I am obsessed with truly considering all possibilities so I actually do consider all of them. Every...thing is what I think of and consider.
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TSE wrote:Well it looks like Rams are going Bradford, so I'm expecting to trade Suh to TB, cause they fear that I will take Suh. If they don't make an offer, I draft Suh and we all know TB will eventually cough up something, even anything I'd take, but I bet we get a lot cause there will be plenty of other teams we could deal Suh to.
Then, at 3, WAS is at 4 and wants Claussen, the last QB. If they don't, well who in the NFL does want Claussen and whoever wants him most, they are probably open to taking him at 4 I would think! So let's deal him to THAT team. WAS then says ok come on now, we are just 1 spot, just give us Claussen so you can stay at 4 and get Okung and we'll give you something small for 1 spot. So that's how we get to 4. Or maybe they want Berry and don't want KC/CLE trading for Berry.
If not 4, then 3, if say only the TB trade works out. Also we could get 5, since obviously there's a reason to go to 2 ahead of TB if that team wants Suh. So there's a definitive plan of 3, 4, or 5, and it just comes down to which combo pans out. I'm prepared for all 3, as well as all 31 other picks of the first round as well. I am obsessed with truly considering all possibilities so I actually do consider all of them. Every...thing is what I think of and consider.
Have you ever heard of the NFL trading council? I highly doubt they'll let a team draft a player to trade him off. Unless Suh is very angry that Detroit drafted him and refuses to play for them, I don't see how they would let us trade him after drafting him. They are very strict on trading high draft picks right away.
TSE wrote:Wow I actually like this trade, good job Mayhew!
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And also, we don't even know who TB ranks higher between McCoy or Suh. They could possibly have both ranked equally and then there would be no need to trade up cuz they don't prefer one over the other.... and I don't see Washington trading up because they are in the perfect spot, imo. KC might trade up to get Okung before Washington, but they might really like Bulaga or Berry so they don't need to trade up.
Point is, I think it's going to be EXTREMELY hard to trade down.... and if it don't happen, I don't think it's cuz of Mayhew cuz he's already stated that if he has an offer to trade down, then he'll take it... and if there isn't an offer to trade down, then we should go BPA throughout the whole draft and that would be Suh.
Point is, I think it's going to be EXTREMELY hard to trade down.... and if it don't happen, I don't think it's cuz of Mayhew cuz he's already stated that if he has an offer to trade down, then he'll take it... and if there isn't an offer to trade down, then we should go BPA throughout the whole draft and that would be Suh.
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Bartender wrote:Have you ever heard of the NFL trading council? I highly doubt they'll let a team draft a player to trade him off. Unless Suh is very angry that Detroit drafted him and refuses to play for them, I don't see how they would let us trade him after drafting him. They are very strict on trading high draft picks right away.
Don't care what their opinion is. I'm trading the pick before I draft. It's HIGHLY unlikely that I wouldn't have a pre-draft trade arranged. Worst case scenario is to pick Suh and THEN deal him later during the draft. If that's the best option I have to go with then that's the one I am doing. I don't care what anybody else thinks about it and especially not this trading council. They can take their opinion and shove it, i'm not interested in what they think. I'm only interested in what I think and what I want to do and what I'm going to do.
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Bartender wrote:And also, we don't even know who TB ranks higher between McCoy or Suh. They could possibly have both ranked equally and then there would be no need to trade up cuz they don't prefer one over the other.... and I don't see Washington trading up because they are in the perfect spot, imo. KC might trade up to get Okung before Washington, but they might really like Bulaga or Berry so they don't need to trade up.
Point is, I think it's going to be EXTREMELY hard to trade down.... and if it don't happen, I don't think it's cuz of Mayhew cuz he's already stated that if he has an offer to trade down, then he'll take it... and if there isn't an offer to trade down, then we should go BPA throughout the whole draft and that would be Suh.
Those are all moot points since it is EXTREMELY plausible that they do value Suh higher. That's ALL that matters. As long as that is a good shot and a realistic unbiased viewpoint, then it is logical to assume that TB MIGHT feel that way. The ball is in their court, if they in fact do view Suh as valuable, then a trade commences, if not then we simply deal the pick to somebody else whether they want Suh or somebody else. All it takes is a phone call to find out. So until this highly plausible and logical assumption can be debunked by TB saying on the other end of the phone line that they aren't interested, then it's full steam ahead with giving them the pick and finding out how much we can negotiate out of them. One step at a time. Assume they see the logic of trading up, if they agree then do trade, if not proceed to team number 3. I'm telling you with certainty I will find a trading partner. I don't have to prove it to you, I vouch for it, it's my rep on the line if I don't fulfill it, and I have no intention of not backing up my claim that I WILL in fact find a great trade for that 2 pick. IN THE BAG
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TSE wrote:Bartender wrote:And also, we don't even know who TB ranks higher between McCoy or Suh. They could possibly have both ranked equally and then there would be no need to trade up cuz they don't prefer one over the other.... and I don't see Washington trading up because they are in the perfect spot, imo. KC might trade up to get Okung before Washington, but they might really like Bulaga or Berry so they don't need to trade up.
Point is, I think it's going to be EXTREMELY hard to trade down.... and if it don't happen, I don't think it's cuz of Mayhew cuz he's already stated that if he has an offer to trade down, then he'll take it... and if there isn't an offer to trade down, then we should go BPA throughout the whole draft and that would be Suh.
Those are all moot points since it is EXTREMELY plausible that they do value Suh higher. That's ALL that matters. As long as that is a good shot and a realistic unbiased viewpoint, then it is logical to assume that TB MIGHT feel that way. The ball is in their court, if they in fact do view Suh as valuable, then a trade commences, if not then we simply deal the pick to somebody else whether they want Suh or somebody else. All it takes is a phone call to find out. So until this highly plausible and logical assumption can be debunked by TB saying on the other end of the phone line that they aren't interested, then it's full steam ahead with giving them the pick and finding out how much we can negotiate out of them. One step at a time. Assume they see the logic of trading up, if they agree then do trade, if not proceed to team number 3. I'm telling you with certainty I will find a trading partner. I don't have to prove it to you, I vouch for it, it's my rep on the line if I don't fulfill it, and I have no intention of not backing up my claim that I WILL in fact find a great trade for that 2 pick. IN THE BAG
You are going to find the Lions a trade partner for the #2 pick? I think thats what i am reading but please correct me if i am wrong. I didnt realize you were connected to the front office...
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Yes. I'm the GM in this hypothetical discussion. Otherwise I'm speaking from the mindset of what our actual GM "should be saying". Basically I'm role-playing.
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TSE wrote:Bartender wrote:Have you ever heard of the NFL trading council? I highly doubt they'll let a team draft a player to trade him off. Unless Suh is very angry that Detroit drafted him and refuses to play for them, I don't see how they would let us trade him after drafting him. They are very strict on trading high draft picks right away.
Don't care what their opinion is. I'm trading the pick before I draft. It's HIGHLY unlikely that I wouldn't have a pre-draft trade arranged. Worst case scenario is to pick Suh and THEN deal him later during the draft. If that's the best option I have to go with then that's the one I am doing. I don't care what anybody else thinks about it and especially not this trading council. They can take their opinion and shove it, i'm not interested in what they think. I'm only interested in what I think and what I want to do and what I'm going to do.
You don't get it. All trades go through the trading council before it's official. They won't put a trade through if it's involving a high draft pick going to another team right after getting drafted.
ONLY time that's EVER happened in the Super Bowl era was the Phillip Rivers / Eli Manning trade and that's cuz Eli came out and said that he will refuse to sign a contract with the Chargers right after drafting him.
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Piston Pete wrote:Liq and Bar...sitting in a tree....
Seriously though, if Suh is gone #1 to the Rams, there is no reason why we should not trade down in this draft.
Trade down and take Okung, Williams, Spiller, or Berry.
Which reminds me, anyone see Berry's comments from yesterday. Something to the effect of (paraphrasing) "If a team passes on me, I will use it as motivation. If a team does not pick me, I will pick them." Have to admire his confidence....
Liq and Bar...sitting in a tree....
Piston Pete that was very funny i had to repost it . I like people with a sence of humor.Sometimes in these fourms people get too serious and we need more laughter.
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Liqourish wrote:I happen to like Bar. Can't say the same about two (or one in the same *COUGH*) other people, who no one likes.
TSE + Kellmellus50 are not the same person.
The reason i like TSE is that he''s a free thinker who thinks outside the box and is more of a gentleman than most people on this board.
You can tell by the way he talks seems to have a very good knowledge on all subjects that he talks about.He also explains himself very clearly about his views and why he thinks that way.
I also think some people are intimidated by his intelligence, their for they pick on him trying to bring him down to their level.
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kellmellus50 wrote:Liqourish wrote:I happen to like Bar. Can't say the same about two (or one in the same *COUGH*) other people, who no one likes.
TSE + Kellmellus50 are not the same person.
The reason i like TSE is that he''s a free thinker who thinks outside the box and is more of a gentleman than most people on this board.
You can tell by the way he talks seems to have a very good knowledge on all subjects that he talks about.He also explains himself very clearly about his views and why he thinks that way.
I also think some people are intimidated by his intelligence, their for they pick on him trying to bring him down to their level.
Intimidated by his intelligence eh?
Anywho, lets try and keep this puppy on track here...draft prospects.
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Back to prospects....every mock draft i have seen in the last few days has us taking Jahvid Best in the second. He would provide a home run threat and a nice speed compliment to Kevin Smith, and fill in while he recovers. It also gives Stafford one more weapon.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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I've been high on Best even though guys like Icness don't seem to be. I worry about his concussion though. I'm sure he's fine now, but that hit he took was awful. If he's around at #34 and the Lions draft him, I won't be upset at all. Although, I wouldn't be opposed to leyting Morris/Brown run the RB position this year and hope for Ingram next year. I knwo it's not really good to let a position go and hope for next year, but I really want Ingram dammit.
TBH, I'm torn on what direction the Lions take after the 1st round. Ideally, they get Suh at #2... then they can go in a variety of ways.
Taking a brief look at the remaining holes on the roster, If we go Suh #2 *crosses finger*, we still need a #1 CB, a RB, an OL, and a S plus whatever depth we can gather. However Mayhew fills those holes doesn't really bother me.
TBH, I'm torn on what direction the Lions take after the 1st round. Ideally, they get Suh at #2... then they can go in a variety of ways.
Taking a brief look at the remaining holes on the roster, If we go Suh #2 *crosses finger*, we still need a #1 CB, a RB, an OL, and a S plus whatever depth we can gather. However Mayhew fills those holes doesn't really bother me.
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Liqourish wrote:I've been high on Best even though guys like Icness don't seem to be. I worry about his concussion though. I'm sure he's fine now, but that hit he took was awful. If he's around at #34 and the Lions draft him, I won't be upset at all. Although, I wouldn't be opposed to leyting Morris/Brown run the RB position this year and hope for Ingram next year. I knwo it's not really good to let a position go and hope for next year, but I really want Ingram dammit.
TBH, I'm torn on what direction the Lions take after the 1st round. Ideally, they get Suh at #2... then they can go in a variety of ways.
Taking a brief look at the remaining holes on the roster, If we go Suh #2 *crosses finger*, we still need a #1 CB, a RB, an OL, and a S plus whatever depth we can gather. However Mayhew fills those holes doesn't really bother me.
Im fairly high on him too. Without the concussions, dude was a lock for the first and maybe the first or second RB off the board. He is faster than hell and really is a perfect compliment to Smith. When he gets healthy, we would have a really nice inside/outside two headed RB monster. This is a team that needs game changers and Best is one
But the concussions are a big concern and its kind of unknown if he can handle the rigors of being an NFL RB. And we do have a lot and lot of holes. If Kyle Wilson is off the board and Best is the BPA, i probably dont have a problem with it though
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Bartender wrote:TSE wrote:Bartender wrote:Have you ever heard of the NFL trading council? I highly doubt they'll let a team draft a player to trade him off. Unless Suh is very angry that Detroit drafted him and refuses to play for them, I don't see how they would let us trade him after drafting him. They are very strict on trading high draft picks right away.
Don't care what their opinion is. I'm trading the pick before I draft. It's HIGHLY unlikely that I wouldn't have a pre-draft trade arranged. Worst case scenario is to pick Suh and THEN deal him later during the draft. If that's the best option I have to go with then that's the one I am doing. I don't care what anybody else thinks about it and especially not this trading council. They can take their opinion and shove it, i'm not interested in what they think. I'm only interested in what I think and what I want to do and what I'm going to do.
You don't get it. All trades go through the trading council before it's official. They won't put a trade through if it's involving a high draft pick going to another team right after getting drafted.
ONLY time that's EVER happened in the Super Bowl era was the Phillip Rivers / Eli Manning trade and that's cuz Eli came out and said that he will refuse to sign a contract with the Chargers right after drafting him.
WHAT??! That's not true!!! You just made that up! What the heck are you talking about? And so there you go you already found one example of how a trade like that can happen. But it's a COMMON thought process that ALL GMs think of and they often comment on it. You'll see guys comment on how they say well we thought about taking so and so because he was such a good BPA that we felt like just holding him and dealing him later in the draft. There's no rule that says you can't draft somebody you want, for any reason you want, and then trade him. I''m going to keep my strategy stuff to myself, I'm going to draft Suh, and when I trade him, the council can't stop me! That's the bottom line. Your point is completely worthless and makes no sense because they would not have the power to stop me from doing a normal trade. Draft day trades happen all the time! And every once in a while teams trade picks they drafted on draft day or later on before the season starts. It happens all the time. The NFL has never denied any straightforward normal trade that I have ever heard of. I think you are thinking about Fantasy Football where there are tougher restrictions sometimes. I mean where were you last year when people were talking about Crabtree? Don't you remember all the rumors about a possible trade? They never even signed a contract with him, but they could have traded him before the season or they could even wait the whole year and trade him next year. They could do whatever they want cause they drafted him and he's their material, to play or trade, that's how it has always been.
The NFL even has a specific deadline of August something for trading unsigned draft picks. That is a deadline if the NEW team wants to use the player in the present season, otherwise they have to wait 'til the next offseason to then deal for that unsigned player.
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I also think some people are intimidated by his intelligence, their for they pick on him trying to bring him down to their level.
You are correct. My whole life people have been intimidated by my intelligence. I'm a legitimate genius and a lot of people that I meet find that I'm the most intelligent person they have ever met. It's a classic defense mechanism to try and ridicule my ideas or to try and discredit me in some way so that the insecure can feel better about themselves. I have seen people on the Internet all over the place continue to have a real hard time interacting with me appropriately on the Interet, there's always LOTS of bad apples that behave improperly that give me a bad rep by putting me in the middle of their negative crap. I stay out of crap in general and live a crap free life, the only crap I get is the illogical crap that people invent and then unfairly dump on me. In real life I'm FAR easier to get along with, as I have a fairly disarming personality and a subtle confidence in myself that rarely gets perceived as a big ego, which makes sense because I truly don't have a big ego. I am just a realist and I know my place and I know my strengths. I contribute in the world to the areas that I'm equipped to perform better at than others, and that of which I am unqualified I stay out of it and I don't assert my opinions as confidently as I do in areas that I have a mastery of. Everything about me is pretty cut and dry, and I'm always sensible and fair, and I always treat people properly and with respect first. For some people, they can't reciprocate that courtesy and logic and so I just try to steer away from them when convenient.
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According to the wiretap, a mystery team has offered the Raiders their 2010 Second and 2011 First rounder for #8 this year....any chance at all its us? It would allow us to grab Suh and Trent Williams (who we like), Haden, Berry, Iupati or Spiller maybe.
I would say its very unlikely its us, but with Mayhew's apparent eagerness to trade and if we were confident that next year we would be good enough to not worry about the pick....i guess it could be
I would say its very unlikely its us, but with Mayhew's apparent eagerness to trade and if we were confident that next year we would be good enough to not worry about the pick....i guess it could be