Lions best offence in NFC

[kellmellus50]

Lions have scored 183 points scored most than any other team in the NFC but are only 2-5 go figure?

[cochiseuofm]

Lions have scored 183 points scored most than any other team in the NFC but are only 2-5 go figure?

The Lions should be 3-4, that Chicago game is still BS in my mind. And they've been competitive in almost every game, the Packers and Eagles losses easily could have been wins.

It's also worth pointing out that the Lions scored a good bulk of their points in their three home games. They have averaged 17.5 points on the road (0-4) and 37.5 points at home (2-1). That's a pretty big difference in production, and those three big offensive outbursts definitely skew the statistics as the Lions aren't consistently high-scoring as their total output might seem to indicate.

With that said...stats lie in football more than in any other sport. The Chargers, through 8 games, are ranked #1 in both offense and defense in total yards and total yards allowed respectively. But they are 3-5, mostly because they easily have one of the worst, if not the worst, special teams units in the game.

In any case, the Lions look like a competitive team. They play hard every week and seem to have only gotten better as the season has gone on. I think the next three games (Jets, @ Buffalo, @ Dallas) are all winnable. Given that we haven't won a road game in forever, I'd say the Buffalo game is almost a must-win to keep the confidence high. And if the Lions get to 6, or more, wins by the end of the year, I think we'll see a team that will truly believe it deserves to be in the 2011 playoffs next year. As a Lions fan, I couldn't ask more for much more coming off a 2-30 record in the last two years.

[kellmellus50]

lions should pick moss up A.S.A.P and cut bryant johnson then the other team can't double cover both . This could improve the offence ? what do you think ?

[ajaX82]

Im not sure I want Calvin in the same room as Randy. A guy with a history of quitting and throwing tantrums on a young, developing team? No thanks

Besides he wouldn't want to come play for us.

[Piston Pete]

you kill me kell

Just last week you said the team needed to use its 1st rounder next season to improve the offense citing how few catches Nate and Bryant have had this season....

Then you start a thread saying we have the best offense in the NFC.

Then you backpeddle again saying we need to sign Moss....

Make up your mind please

[kellmellus50]

you kill me kell

Just last week you said the team needed to use its 1st rounder next season to improve the offense citing how few catches Nate and Bryant have had this season....

Then you start a thread saying we have the best offense in the NFC.

Then you backpeddle again saying we need to sign Moss....

Make up your mind please

We need to have the best offence in the NFL not just in the NFC that is why i say draft a WR in the first round or pick up randy moss.I would be happy with either move.

[cochiseuofm]

No to Randy Moss. We already have a big downfield threat in Calvin Johnson, what we really need is a Wes Welker / Davone Bess type of guy, like we had with Mike Furrey, to provide consistency in the underneath routes.

And I really don't want Moss's personality in our locker room. I don't think the Lions make the playoffs this year, Moss or not, and if we don't have playoff aspirations, I see no point in running the risk of Moss rubbing off on Calvin or other players. No thanks.

[kellmellus50]

No to Randy Moss. We already have a big downfield threat in Calvin Johnson, what we really need is a Wes Welker / Davone Bess type of guy, like we had with Mike Furrey, to provide consistency in the underneath routes.

And I really don't want Moss's personality in our locker room. I don't think the Lions make the playoffs this year, Moss or not, and if we don't have playoff aspirations, I see no point in running the risk of Moss rubbing off on Calvin or other players. No thanks.

What you think and what the lions are going to do may be differant let's see what happens at 4:00 waiver wire dead line.I predict they pick up Moss.

[ajaX82]

No to Randy Moss. We already have a big downfield threat in Calvin Johnson, what we really need is a Wes Welker / Davone Bess type of guy, like we had with Mike Furrey, to provide consistency in the underneath routes.

And I really don't want Moss's personality in our locker room. I don't think the Lions make the playoffs this year, Moss or not, and if we don't have playoff aspirations, I see no point in running the risk of Moss rubbing off on Calvin or other players. No thanks.

What you think and what the lions are going to do may be differant let's see what happens at 4:00 waiver wire dead line.I predict they pick up Moss.

I guarantee we don't

[kellmellus50]

No to Randy Moss. We already have a big downfield threat in Calvin Johnson, what we really need is a Wes Welker / Davone Bess type of guy, like we had with Mike Furrey, to provide consistency in the underneath routes.

And I really don't want Moss's personality in our locker room. I don't think the Lions make the playoffs this year, Moss or not, and if we don't have playoff aspirations, I see no point in running the risk of Moss rubbing off on Calvin or other players. No thanks.

What you think and what the lions are going to do may be differant let's see what happens at 4:00 waiver wire dead line.I predict they pick up Moss.

I guarantee we don't

If a team below the lions pick him up first we would miss out.That's the only way i see us not picking him up.Even if we don't use him we can trade him and the lions know it.Moss still has trade value.

[cochiseuofm]

kellmellus50,

You're right, what I posted was my opinion and what I think. What you posted was what you think, and I hope to god the Lions don't think like you. Because what you want is to pick up a player who has a proven history of not trying hard in bad situations, like at the end of his career in Minnesota and during his Oakland year. You want a player that the team with the best record in football right now didn't want, and is doing just as well without. You want a player whose last team, the Vikings, didn't think twice about cutting even though they gave up a 3rd round pick for him just a month before.

Moss has trade value still? What a joke. But I'm not going to even justify that with a response, lets just wait and see if the Lions put a claim in.

[TSE]

Well at the time that I suggested the idea to claim Moss, that was before those other stories came out, now it's being reported that Moss and his agent have made it clear that he will sit out if he doesn't like the team, this is all stuff we are finding out late and incomplete than what the insiders of the teams know.

[cochiseuofm]

There are only two reasons why a team is going to claim Moss.

1. They have talked to him / his agent and confirmed he wants to play for that team.
2. They want to keep him from going to a division rival and are willing to pay him for no production if necessary.

No team is going to take him unless they fit into one of the above. No one is going to claim him with the hopes that someone will want him in a trade, and no one is going to claim him with the hopes he will change his mind and play for them after all.

[TSE]

Well not exactly. Moss is playing chicken with himself too. If he sits out, then he loses the chance to audition for a big contract plus his other money for this year. You claim him and say, hey, help us make the playoffs, and instead of winning a giant contract in the offfseason maybe we work a giant contract going into the wild card game, how does that sound? Bring us to glory and stick it to the Vikes, and you'll get paid the most amount of money that is theoretically possible for you.

This is like a game theory puzzle. It's in Moss' best interest to promise to shirk if claimed, yet if claimed against his wishes it still is in his best interest to rescind that threat and play it out. Just like in the Prisoner's Dilemma, it works best to plan to keep your mouth shut, but when you are alone and offered a private deal where the act of speaking up moves you to a better spot than if stand mute, you'll talk. And that means Moss will play ball, unless of course he wants to act irrationally. And if we have to cut him after a week then at least we don't lose a pick!

Now I won't bank on Moss acting logically, but it still serves as a valid premise that there is another plausible reason why a team like the Lions would claim him.

[cochiseuofm]

That isn't how teams operate TSE...it just isn't.

And if Moss cared at all about his offseason value, he would have put his head down in New England, said nothing, and put up big numbers. He wouldn't have put himself in a position where he's looking for his third team in a month today. There is no repairing the damage he has done to himself this year. He will most likely still get a new contract, but it won't be worth what it once could have been worth.

And finally, Moss has already said publicly, through his agent, that he will sit out if he doesn't like the team that claims him.

[ajaX82]

And we didnt pick him up. Like i said

The Titans had 21 other teams pass before grabbing him, us included

[cochiseuofm]

And we didnt pick him up. Like i said

The Titans had 21 other teams pass before grabbing him, us included

Its pretty telling that teams with much more desperate need for a big WR, like the Bears and the Redskins, didn't even put a claim in.

That being said, Titans are a great fit. Strong coach who has total say in the locker room with a talented roster.

[TSE]

That isn't how teams operate TSE...it just isn't.

Of course they do. They can't escape that dynamic, it's built into the game already.

[kellmellus50]

If the lions keep up the offence scoring 30+ pionts per game they should sneak into one of the 2 wild card playoff teams.