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Does anyone know how they would plan on doing next years draft?

Go by same placement as this year picks, meaning Detroit would draft 13th again?

That is correct, but there might not be a draft. Part of the NFLPA lawsuit is that the draft, and restricted free agency, are violations of antitrust laws. They could get an injunction in a friendly court that would stop the draft. Not even the players really want that, and the agents would scream bloody murder so it's really unlikely.

FWIW next year's draft looks very strong at DB and LB, which is where the Lions figure to have the greatest need. I'm doing a very early mock and I have 7 corners in the first round, 2-3 safeties and 4-5 LBs. Good year for offensive tackles too--there are two that are already better than any that went in this year's draft.

7 CBs in the first round next year? Ain't no way. Guaranteed. And not like the kind of guarantee you get from others around here that we won't draft a RB and WR high in the draft, a real guarantee that is well thought out.

Can you list these 7 CBs? Also, can you give us your #s for every other position, cause since I know 7 CBs won't happen, I'm just curious to see what position you are coming up short on?

TSE wrote:7 CBs in the first round next year? Ain't no way. Guaranteed. And not like the kind of guarantee you get from others around here that we won't draft a RB and WR high in the draft, a real guarantee that is well thought out.

Can you list these 7 CBs? Also, can you give us your #s for every other position, cause since I know 7 CBs won't happen, I'm just curious to see what position you are coming up short on?

I like the subtle dig, well played. but i said that we wouldn't draft a WR, aka Julio Jones, at 13; I never said we wouldn't go RB or WR after the first. I didn't think it was a good idea at the time and may have expressed that, but my "guarantee" that Julio Jones would never be a Lion looks pretty solid right now

On the latest edit I'm down to 5:
Chase Minnifield, UVA
Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska
Jayron Hosley, VT
Cliff Harris, Oregon

I dropped Casey Hayward of Vanderbilt and Morris Claiborne of LSU. Janoris Jenkins is a wild card, top 10 talent but he's gotta stay out of prison and pass even one drug test, both of which look like longshots.

Minnifield was better than Ras-I Dowling last year even when Dowling was healthy, plus his dad was a very underrated NFL CB.

Dennard was demonstrably better than Amukamara the second half of last year. Harris is a playmaker in the Dre Bly mold plus an exceptional return man. Hosley is also a playmaker and a fantastic run support corner, pretty much an ideal zone guy. Kirkpatrick is 6'3" and is a better prospect than Javier Arenas or Kareem Jackson, better press guy and faster.

ajaX82 wrote:

TSE wrote:7 CBs in the first round next year? Ain't no way. Guaranteed. And not like the kind of guarantee you get from others around here that we won't draft a RB and WR high in the draft, a real guarantee that is well thought out.

Can you list these 7 CBs? Also, can you give us your #s for every other position, cause since I know 7 CBs won't happen, I'm just curious to see what position you are coming up short on?

I like the subtle dig, well played. but i said that we wouldn't draft a WR, aka Julio Jones, at 13; I never said we wouldn't go RB or WR after the first. I didn't think it was a good idea at the time and may have expressed that, but my "guarantee" that Julio Jones would never be a Lion looks pretty solid right now

Let me just follow this up by saying I don't think anyone guarenteed we wouldn't draft a RB or WR high...I think what most of us said was no way we take Mark Ingram or Julio Jones with our 13th overall pick. Sounds like a real guarentee that was well thought out to me...

I don't have a checklist of who said exactly what, but a ton of people thought it was a ridiculous notion that we take a WR with an early pick, some said RB, and a few never ever would have believed or been open minded to BOTH, with "all of our other needs" as you guys said like a gazillion times. I said many times that I thought a RB and WR pair was very plausible and to expect it and you guys thought I was nuts, even if I don't recall the specific dates and times of everybody that bashed all of those related ideas.

Also, we should still trade Stafford, it's so obvious.

Good Job!

Well if Ice is right and next years draft includes a real glut of CBs, LBs and tackles, that would be absolutely perfect. Some of the early reports on the corners are especially good and getting a game changer back there would be wonderful

That's why drafting best player/value is so important. If they would have reached on questionable DB's and LB's in this draft they would have to stick with them for not only this year but would likely pass on those positions in next year’s draft.

Each draft and FA period is an opportunity to help your team. Grabbing the best available players at the best value is what needs to be the focus, not filling holes.

P.S. trading Stafford is like the dumbest idea ever presented on a message board. His value is either zero or much less than what it could/should be right now. He hasn't had a chance to show anything other than the fact that he makes a shot load of money and gets hurt a lot. The only option would be to cut bait and go with a crappy package of picks/players for him and that makes no sense. Not to mention the fact that Detroit could be sitting on a pro-bowl QB if he gets healthy. There's no reason to be hasty with Matt.

Can you list these 7 CBs? Also, can you give us your #s for every other position, cause since I know 7 CBs won't happen, I'm just curious to see what position you are coming up short on?

The 5 above CBs
5 QBs: Luck, Barkley, Landry Jones, Ryan Lindley, Nick Foles
1 RB: Trent Richardson
4 WRs: Ryan Broyles, Alshon Jeffery, Justin Blackmon, Jeff Fuller. I highly doubt Fuller will make the 1st, but he should be in the 1st
6 OL: Kalil, JOnathan Martin, Riley Reiff, Mike Adams, Nate Potter, Kelechi Osemele
3 DE/OLB: Quinton Coples, Brandon Jenkins, Donte Paige-Moss
4 DT: Jerel Worthy, Billy Winn, Montori Hughes, Jared Crick
4 LB: Burfict, Teo, Kuechly, Upshaw

I keep flopping the bottom 5 picks and I've had Tank Carder S/LB TCU, Vinny Curry DE Marshall, Devin Taylor DE South Carolina, Lamichael James RB Oregon, Cyrus Gray RB TAMU, and Mohamed Sanu WR Rutgers in at various times.

FWIW...last year's Mock Draft 1.0:
2011 NFL Mock Draft, Version 1.0
22nd September, 2010 - 10:15 am
Jeff Risdon/RealGM - * Updated 9.23.10

This is insanely premature, but I get at least 10 emails a week asking for an updated mock draft.

A few notes:

-- Because of the threat of a lockout, it’s very hard to say whether underclassmen will pour into this draft or stay in school and wait it out. My guess, and I’m basing this on conversations with some agents and some NFL business types, is that they will try to get into this draft in hopes of being grandfathered into whatever the new CBA requirements for free agency might be.

-- Most of the anticipated teams in the top half of the draft have invested recent high draft picks in QBs. That means the law of supply and demand will almost certainly lower the value of the QBs in the draft, and this mock reflects that thought.

-- The draft order is based on my pure speculation of final records after just the first two weeks of the NFL season. It will change, probably dramatically, and this order is technically impossible because several teams will make the playoffs despite lesser records than teams slotted after them here. Try and look past that.

-- Normally, I include the disclaimer that this is not necessarily what I would do with the given picks, but because it’s very early this one has more personal influence in the guessing process than my typical mocks.

-- I mistakenly forgot to convey Oakland’s pick to New England in v1.0 and that changed a handful of picks in the process. The big loser in that process was Christian Ponder, who at times looks like a top 10 pick and at times looks like a 3rd-4th rounder.

1. Buffalo Bills: Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas.
2. Cleveland Browns: Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
3. St. Louis Rams: Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
4. New England Patriots (from OAK): Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
5. Carolina Panthers: Bruce Carter, OLB, North Carolina
6. Detroit Lions: DeMarcus Love, T, Arkansas
7. Seattle Seahawks: Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
8. Tampa Bay Bucs: Daniel Thomas, RB, Kansas State
9. San Francisco 49ers: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
10. Jacksonville Jaguars: Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
11. Denver Broncos: Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue
12. Arizona Cardinals: Travis Lewis, LB, Oklahoma
13. Dallas Cowboys: Anthony Costanzo, T, Boston College
14. Kansas City Chiefs: A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
15. Tennessee Titans: Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
16. Minnesota Vikings: Nate Solder, T, Colorado
17. New York Giants: Janoris Jenkins, CB, Florida
18. New York Jets: Matt Reynolds, T, BYU
19. Philadelphia Eagles: Rodney Hudson, C, Florida State
20. Baltimore Ravens: Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia
21. Miami Dolphins: Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
22. Cincinnati Bengals: Jake Locker, QB, Washington
23. Washington Redskins: Jon Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh
24. Chicago Bears: Da’Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
25. Atlanta Falcons: Allen Bailey, DE, Miami FL
26. San Diego Chargers: Marcell Dareus, DE, Alabama
27. Green Bay Packers: Greg Jones, LB, Michigan State
28. Houston Texans: Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State
29. New England Patriots: Stefen Wisniewski, C, Penn State
30. New Orleans Saints: Von Miller, LB, Texas A&M
31. Indianapolis Colts: Mike Pouncey, C/G, Florida
32. Pittsburgh Steelers: Mark Herzlich, LB, Boston College



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That's 17 first rounders correct, 4 that didn't come out early, 5 second rounders, two (Carter, Herzlich) that plummeted for health reasons, Mallett being a knucklehead, and a handful that didn't meet expectations in 2010. That's pretty typical forecast results for me.

Another CB to watch (brain-fart at the moment, can't remember his name) could be the one from South Carolina.

cochiseuofm wrote:
Let me just follow this up by saying I don't think anyone guarenteed we wouldn't draft a RB or WR high...I think what most of us said was no way we take Mark Ingram or Julio Jones with our 13th overall pick. Sounds like a real guarentee that was well thought out to me...

So you still don't think the Lions would have taken Julio at 13 if he was there but Fairley wasn't?

Serious props to Iceness for posting his early early mock after the draft, few would have the stones to do so.

I salute you sir.

Piston Pete wrote:Another CB to watch (brain-fart at the moment, can't remember his name) could be the one from South Carolina.

Stephen Gilbert. He's a good one, great size. I've heard he actually likes school so he's a better bet to stick around for another year, but at this point you never know.

TSE wrote:

cochiseuofm wrote:
Let me just follow this up by saying I don't think anyone guarenteed we wouldn't draft a RB or WR high...I think what most of us said was no way we take Mark Ingram or Julio Jones with our 13th overall pick. Sounds like a real guarentee that was well thought out to me...

So you still don't think the Lions would have taken Julio at 13 if he was there but Fairley wasn't?

No I don't, I think we'd have traded down if no defensive studs were around in the first round. Especially since a lot of teams were clamoring to get Julio. And since neither you or I know anyone who makes the Lions decisions, it is pointless for us to argue about this.

Didn't someone also guarantee that the Lions would 100% take Prince Amukamara if he was there at #13? And when I told that person that a.) Prince would definitely be there and, b.) the Lions had little interest, wasn't the response that I was crazy and had no idea what I was talking about?

cochiseuofm wrote:

TSE wrote:

cochiseuofm wrote:
Let me just follow this up by saying I don't think anyone guarenteed we wouldn't draft a RB or WR high...I think what most of us said was no way we take Mark Ingram or Julio Jones with our 13th overall pick. Sounds like a real guarentee that was well thought out to me...

So you still don't think the Lions would have taken Julio at 13 if he was there but Fairley wasn't?

No I don't, I think we'd have traded down if no defensive studs were around in the first round. Especially since a lot of teams were clamoring to get Julio. And since neither you or I know anyone who makes the Lions decisions, it is pointless for us to argue about this.

Why would it be pointless to argue about it? Was it also pointless for all draft talk information to exist since everybody was just speculating and nobody really knew for sure? I don't agree with you and I highly doubt they would have traded JJ, they would have wanted him and taken him and you just are lost, just like you were before the draft as well. But that's where you wind up when you think analyzing and debating things is a pointless activity.

Icness wrote:Didn't someone also guarantee that the Lions would 100% take Prince Amukamara if he was there at #13? And when I told that person that a.) Prince would definitely be there and, b.) the Lions had little interest, wasn't the response that I was crazy and had no idea what I was talking about?

Yes I believe quite a few people in Detroit guaranteed we would take Lord Assmaker or whatever that guy's name is that I already misspelled once because he was so far off my radar to give 2 craps about.