53 Keepers?

[TSE]

I bolded the top player(s) at each position that I would like to see us work in trades to improve the roster or to acquire more picks in future drafts. I think we can live without these players and need to get something in return for them before we replace them for no ROI and cut them now or in the future for other players that we can get for less investment and better leverage. That is what we will do if we don't design an exit strategy in advance. Pettigrew would be the last guy on this list I would trade, but there could be a really good deal out there and we need to keep an open mind about all of our trading chips for the right transaction.

2 QB: Stafford / Hill
4 RB: Smith / Bell / Williams / Logan
5 WR: CJ / Titus / Nate / Broyles / Long
3 TE: Pettigrew / Scheffler / Heller
9 OL: Backus / Reiff / Gosder / Peterman / Sims / Raiola / Fox / Hilliard / Gandy
11 DL: Avril / KVB / Suh / Fairley / CW / Fluellen / Hill / Young / LJ / Everette / Ronnell
7 LB: Tulloch / Levy / Durant / Hogue / Whitehead / Lewis / Palmer
5 CB: Houston / Alphonso / Bentley / Barnes / Green
4 S: Delmas / Wendling / Coleman / Spievey
3 ST: Hanson / Graham / Muhlbach

Surprise cuts?: Justin Miller / Messina / Silva
Reserves: Best / LeShoure / Greenwood

Any of these surprise cuts or anybody else that should make this team? I think we have a lot of work to do on this roster and need to make some changes. We're working with a nice gift here and we need to wrap this package up, and we're still a long ways away from having our next couple drafts planned and set up. We're beyond needing gluts of low round picks and we need to have a strategy that makes sense to take our talent to the next sustainable level. This is also more offensive players than I would like to keep, but we don't really have convenient positional shapes right now for a better full roster makeup. We just need to make some moves and clean up.

[kellmellus50]

TSE list is Interesting and very close on what our 53 man roster may look.

(1) WR Edwards I do not believe he will make the team ,so far have not seen nothing from him.We may have to go outside and pick up a better player at the cut deadline.Maybe even take a chance on Brad Johnson.Edwards has speed but is short and needs to catch more balls.

(2)Nagy will be on injured list for the start of season.

(3)Greenwood i believe is injured too and may be on the list.

(4) We may go with just 2 players for for kick off,field goal ,and punting

(5) Coleman will make the team

(6)Spievey been dropping on the depth charts(wendling better) how far i do not know .Spievey and Silva better start looking over their backs.IE= Lacey,Coleman

(7) I like Silvia , but again have not seen anything from him this preseason .The jury is still out on his playing ability.

(8) We will go with 10 on the DL ,How many did we have last year10 ?

(9) If logan goes on the injured list , Stephfon Green will take his place sooner or later.I don't know that they really see much in Logan. He was great 2 years ago but stunk last year and hasn't shown anything this year. I'd say he goes on IR just so the Lions don't look bad releasing a player that was just injured.

(10)Messina looks like one of those hardnose players that will get better. Because of the logjam at LB he will be on the PS at least until someone plucks him off, ala Murtha. Right now I don't see anyone on the team Messina could legitimately beat out.

[TSE]

Well actually I have 11 marked down at DL, but I also expect us to move some people around so it's not a list of what I hope the ending roster looks like, just the top 53 guys that are most worthy of protecting. I wouldn't let any of those DL players go away unless somebody pays us for them. I don't have that high of an opinion on Edwards since I have hardly seen him play, so he's more of a wildcard pick for UDFAs at this point, but he's the 53rd man on the list.

[joseph mamah]

I think we have to hang on to petti, nate and houston. we need petti this season plus he hasnt reached his peak value yet, i think hes primed for a breakout year, health is a risk with him but i think you have to roll the dice, not to mention stafford has struggled on third downs and pettis a guy who could be a safety net for him. if broyles was ready to step in day one i would say let nate go, but in the nfl these days you need three quality recievers and burleson is also a leader on the team. i would love to be able to let houston go, but our secondary is already paper thin as it is and i doubt any trade we make with him would bring a quality corner back to replace him.

[TSE]

Well nothing is set in stone, every trade shakes up the outlook of what the next trade might look like. A possible result is we could be getting David Amerson out of the draft next year if we set it up right. He had 13 INTs in his first season and he's the #1 target right now. You are right we need Chris Houston, a trade proposition for him would be reliant on other trades happening first unless some special deal came along for a premium prize that had to be had.

[kellmellus50]

Some people think Moore can play. Others believe he is horrid. Regardless, Moore was the most debated Lions backup player this year.

The Detroit Lions claimed defensive tackle Bobby Skinner off waivers from the New York Giants to fill one of their vacant roster spots, according to reports.

The Lions also signed cornerback Isaac Madison, who worked out for the Lions Monday

http://www.freep.com/article/20120821/S ... ac-Madison

[kellmellus50]

Detroit Lions 53-Man Roster Prediction: Pre-Ravens Game (Offense)

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2012/8/17 ... e#comments

[TSE]

I don't think that Stovall or Edwards are going to make this team, the rest looks pretty good. I'm just getting warmed up to Lance Long after making a couple of late catches in that last game. Also Nate Hughes might be a better choice than those two plus I think there will be additional interesting WRs to get released.

[kellmellus50]

They also released receivers Jarett Dillard, Dominique Curry and Terrence Toliver, fullback James Bryant, running back Stephfon Green, safeties Sean Jones and Isaac Madison, guards Jacques McClendon and J.C. Oram, linebacker Slade Norris and defensive tackle Bobby Skinner today.

http://www.freep.com/article/20120827/S ... round-cuts

Isn't Andre Goodman, who played with the Broncos last year, still an unsigned free agent? Worth a look.

Since barnes has experience, I would like to Barnes and Houston start, and have Bentley as the Nickle. Cya Smith!

Kevin barnes said he was traded to detroit. Just talked to him. Initially he thought he was being released.

[TSE]

Ok well based upon the recent transactions I updated the list. I took out Greenwood for Kevin Barnes, and dumped Patrick Edwards for Lance Long. I’m willing to bet Osgood would make the team over Long, but I’m also not comfortable with adding his name to the list since I don’t think we can afford to make him active on game day, I just won’t do it! I also cut Silva off the list since we might try to stash him on the PS although this time it’s riskier as he has had some more good film clips put together. Nagy is on IR so that frees up the OL and since McClendon didn't work out I put Gandy back in for depth. I also kept Graham on the list even though I think Donahue gets the job on account of being younger and cheaper, but I think Graham has won the competition based on performance thus far so I'm keeping him there for now. We still could use a better punter though.

[kellmellus50]

Barnes was told he'd been released by the team. Left complex. Before cut-list was submitted, they worked out a deal.
So it looks like he was going to be released, but we came with a trade. Lions must of felt Barnes wouldn't make it to them on waivers.

the lions could have got him for nothing now there giving wash something?

Here's a football team that needs a corner," Washington coach Mike Shanahan said. "Here's a third-round draft pick that's got some great speed. If he makes the team, we get something in return and they get a good football player."

Barnes is a very physical CB. He's just what Gunther and Co are looking for IMO.

http://www.nflgridirongab.com/...arnes-to-lions/

[Blkbrd671]

if you guys recall, he made Best throw up after hitting him so hard while in college. i'm excited for this player if he's still the same hard hitting CB he was in college. hopefully he can cover

[ajaX82]

Released: RB Stephfon Green, FB James Bryant, WR Dominique Curry, WR Jarett Dillard, WR Terrence Toliver, OG Jacques McClendon, OG J.C. Oram, DT Bobby Skinner, LB Slade Norris, CB Isaac Madison, S Sean Jones, K Derek Dimke

IR: OT Jonathan Scott, OG Bill Nagy

Reserve PUP list: RB Jahvid Best, CB Chris Greenwood

Acquired in trade: CB Kevin Barnes

We are down to 75 now

[chrbal]

Barnes was told he'd been released by the team. Left complex. Before cut-list was submitted, they worked out a deal.
So it looks like he was going to be released, but we came with a trade. Lions must of felt Barnes wouldn't make it to them on waivers.

the lions could have got him for nothing now there giving wash something?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/redskins-c ... --nfl.html

The deal is contingent on whether Barnes makes Detroit's 53-man roster.

He has to actually make the team for the lions to have to give up something.
"could have got him for nothing" assuming that none of the 20 teams that had worse records then the lions last year had any need for a young hard hitting corner with potential.

I do like that you talk on both sides so you are never wrong. "must of felt Barnes wouldn't make it to them" and "could have got him for nothing".

[TSE]

Kell had a question mark on the end of that phrase "could have got him for nothing...?". That's asking a question or displaying the thought process looking for clarification if that's the right line of thinking. Kellmellus is analyzing the situation and trying to make the distinction between what happened and what our options are, it sounded like more of a speculation, but it wasn't a statement of fact that we would have gotten him for nothing. We indeed "could have" got him for nothing, contingent that nobody else would give up a low round pick or claim him before us, but we don't know that nor does that technically matter. The fact is we apparently weren't the only interested team so we chose to give up something rather than chance it, or miss it with a high probability if our GM had good enough faith to believe that another buyer was ready to make a move, and he probably had that feeling or he would have to just sorted through the waiver wire for the absolutely for sure free guys which Barnes is not in his mind.

[Icness]

Barnes had value, would never have made it on waivers all the way to Detroit. Chicago would have taken him in a heartbeat if he even made it that far. He should make the team bu IMO it's contingent on whether the Lions think they can get Jonte Green thru waivers and onto the practice squad where he belongs. I think they can and that allows Barnes to make the team.

My 53:
QB--Stafford, Hill
RB--Smith, Leshoure, Williams, guy not currently on roster
WR--Johnson, Young, Burleson, Broyles, Edwards, Osgood
T--Backus, Reiff, Cherilus, Fox
G--Sims, Peterman, Hilliard
C--Raiola, Gandy
TE--Pettigrew, Scheffler, Heller
DT--Suh, Hill, Williams, Fairley
DE--KVB, Avril, Young, Jackson, Brown, Lewis (also LB)
LB--Levy, Tulloch, Durant, Whitehead, Hogue, Palmer
CB--Houston, Bentley, Barnes, Lacey, Smith, Miller
S--Delmas, Wendling, Coleman, Silva
K--Hanson
P--Donahue
LS--Muhlbach

Practice Squad--Green, Wells, Moore, Boyle, street RB
Most prominent cut: Speivey, also the last guy cut. He doesn't play ST and loses out to Silva, who has been better in preseason anyways.

Bell would have beaten out Williams if not for the red zone fumble in the 2nd game, I firmly believe that.

[chrbal]

The question mark in that sentence would actually refer to "and now they are giving him something?"

[TSE]

The question mark in that sentence would actually refer to "and now they are giving him something?"

Right, there should be dots there, I added them in, good catch and thanks!

[TSE]

Most prominent cut: Speivey, also the last guy cut. He doesn't play ST and loses out to Silva, who has been better in preseason anyways.

Interesting prediction with that one. I was tempted to list a version for my desired roster with a triple shot of RBs that are not currently on the roster after trading all of them and cutting any that don't pass the test of proving to be worth enough that some other team would give something up for them. We could be a very powerful team with our empty backfield; well temporarily empty.

[Icness]

Most prominent cut: Speivey, also the last guy cut. He doesn't play ST and loses out to Silva, who has been better in preseason anyways.

Interesting prediction with that one. I was tempted to list a version for my desired roster with a triple shot of RBs that are not currently on the roster after trading all of them and cutting any that don't pass the test of proving to be worth enough that some other team would give something up for them. We could be a very powerful team with our empty backfield; well temporarily empty.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Williams goes and another outside RB comes in.
Teams I know they've called:
New Orleans, San Francisco, New England, Washington.

They asked Houston about Ben Tate and were told he's not available.