Sept27, 1:00PM Washington @ Detroit

kellmellus50 · Post #1 » by **kellmellus50** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:08 am

Key to this game no turn-overs that means everyone on the lions team.
If we do that we should win the game 24-17.This is a must game!

So far we played against the best QB one game and the best rb the next.
Washington has no one close to them two.

The good we scored 40pts in two games
The bad we gave up 72pts in two game + way too many turnovers

Let's hope Stafford learns fast. I think we can beat Redskins next week if we play like we played today....and we definitely should be able to beat teams like Cleveland, Chicago, GB, San Fran. and St. Louis later in the year if Stafford can learn the same thing that Manning learned after the first half of his 1st season
Stafford is getting better. Only 2 int's today, vs. 3 last week.hopefully maybe only 1 next week?
The Lions are facing .500 teams or better in their first six games outside of the Packers from last season. The Lions have eight new starters on defense

TSE · Post #2 » by **TSE** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:36 am

Stafford will either win it or lose it. And that could be the general theme for the rest of the year. His success/failure will be our success/failure.

kellmellus50 · Post #3 » by **kellmellus50** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:48 pm

TSE wrote:Stafford will either win it or lose it. And that could be the general theme for the rest of the year. His success/failure will be our success/failure.

Agreed ,Now i see why teams pick up a veteran QB,s to start .So they do not have to wait for a rookie QB learning process ,who knows how long it will take and if he will ever get it.

look at minn they pick up and old man brett favre out of retirement and beats us, completes 23 of 27 passes.

But then why does another rookie get it and plays great so far all season?maybe he had more preseason playing time or is a better QB?.Here's mark sanchez last game stats and has won every game so far this season.

NY Jets Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
M. Sanchez 14 22 163 63.6 7.4 2 26 1 0 101.1

Liqourish · Post #4 » by **Liqourish** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:44 pm

Stafford wasn't responsible for our losses. He added to them, but they aren't on his shoulder entirely. Our defense gave up 6 TDs in the first game against the Saints. In the second game, the sacks on Stafford because Backus didn't want to watch his guy and the fumble by Smith shifted the momentum to the Vikings and Favre. Stafford isn't blameless, but he doesn't deserve all the blame either.

Yeah he threw two interceptions. The first one never resulted in a score for Minnesota and the second one happened when the Vikings had the lead and the game in control. No excuses for those throws, but they weren't responsible for the loss.

Peyton Manning is the poster child for interceptions as a rookie QB. Manning made mistake after mistake as rookie, but he learned from them because he got to play. No one calls him a bad QB or thinks he shouldn't have played and waited to develop so a vet QB could help the Colts win.

Not impressed with Sanchez. Let's see how great he looks once his defense gives up a TD. Easy to be good when there's no pressure on you to score. Jets have allowed one touchdown in two games. Our defense has given up 9 in two games.

This hate is getting to be too much. You like Sanchez, fine, go watch him than and keep him out of our Lions threads.

kellmellus50 · Post #5 » by **kellmellus50** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:07 pm

One of the reasons jets only gave up one touchdown is that they did not have to deal with 5 ints and a fumble from their starting QB.It all goes hand in hand.Liqour you do not get it .
I am impressed with a QB that gets the job done and wins games like a favre or sanchez both teams are 2-0 the lions are 0-2 who do you look at ? of coarse the starting QB.

Also one more thing, your the only one talking about (Hate stafford),all i talk about is his performance which speaks volumes.

Bartender · Post #6 » by **Bartender** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:13 pm

kellmellus50 wrote:One of the reasons jets only gave up one touchdown is that they did not have to deal with 5 ints and a fumble from their starting QB.It all goes hand in hand.Liqour you do not get it .
I am inpressed with a QB that gets the job done and wins games like a favre or sanchez both teams are 2-0 the lions are 0-2 who do you look at ? of coarse the starting QB.

Also one more thing, your the only one talking about (Hate stafford),all i talk about is his performance which speaks volumes.

you are ignorant. Sanchez is in a FAR different situation than Stafford is in. The Jets have a good line... FARRRR better than the Lions. Jets have 2 pro bowl lineman and Lions aren't even close. Sanchez has time to throw without worrying about that much pressure. Mark Sanchez would have just as many.. if not more INT's than Stafford does if Sanchez was in Detroit. It's not always the QB. Give Stafford time and he'll produce.

Stafford has better accuracy and throwing power and can scramble better than sanchez. Why in the would would you want Mark Sanchez being our QB of the future?!

Bartender · Post #7 » by **Bartender** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:16 pm

I refuse to believe that even if we had Brees, Manning, or Brady as our QB, we'd win games. Any quarterback in Detroit is going to throw INT's until our line gives him more than 2 seconds to throw.

Liqourish · Post #8 » by **Liqourish** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:32 pm

^ She doesn't get it. All she sees is passer ratings and her crush on Sanchez continues even when it has no place on this forum.

Post #9 » by **ajaX82** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:32 pm

Sanchez does have the benefit of playing behind a great line with a great running game and arguably the best D in the world to back him up. And Cotchery and Keller arent slouches to throw at either. He is in a completely different situation and the two really arent comparable.

Im glad Matt is out there making mistakes and learning every week. The progression will be slow, but later in the year we will see alot of progress methinks

Bartender · Post #10 » by **Bartender** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:41 pm

Mark should be throwing 3 TD's a game on that team.. that is all.

kellmellus50 · Post #11 » by **kellmellus50** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:44 am

Bartender wrote:I refuse to believe that even if we had Brees, Manning, or Brady as our QB, we'd win games. Any quarterback in Detroit is going to throw INT's until our line gives him more than 2 seconds to throw.

Are you kidding me? if we had Bree's we would win games .I can't belive what people are saying on this fourm.Bree's would be able to hit a reciever wide open 20 yards down field and not over throw him like stafford did in his last game.

The Jets drafted Sanchez fifth overall. He's 2-0, with two touchdowns, one interception and a 91.3 passer rating, 10th best in the NFL through Sunday.

Stafford is 0-2, with one TD, five picks and a 40.5 passer rating. He was tied with the Panthers' Jake Delhomme for most interceptions and ranked last in passer rating through Sunday

And one other thing liqourish you do not know if i am a male or female,if you can't figure me out how can you figure the lions out?

Liqourish · Post #12 » by **Liqourish** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:11 pm

oooh pretty witty, Asking a question thinking you're being facetious when really it makes you appear even more childish.

*waits for the "I know you are but what am I?" response*

Get back to me when you actually want to discuss in-depth Lions football without mentioning Mark Sanchez and can spout off more than the few stats you memorized reading ESPN.

Post #13 » by **ajaX82** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:19 pm

In Peyton Manning's rookie year, his first 4 games featured 4 TDs and 11 picks. Im just saying....there is hope kids.

And speaking of this game, Jason Cambell sucks. Watching this one will make you glad we have Stafford.

And enough of the petty fighting guys...

Bartender · Post #14 » by **Bartender** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:52 pm

kellmellus50 wrote:Are you kidding me? if we had Bree's we would win games .I can't belive what people are saying on this fourm.Bree's would be able to hit a reciever wide open 20 yards down field and not over throw him like stafford did in his last game.

OMG This makes me hate you!! At least TSE uses logic in his arguments but there's more to it than passer rating. If you think Drew Brees or Manning or Brady would be successful in Detroit, than you are football ignorant. Just hear me out in trying to make you understand how it works.

A NFL QB is supposed to get 4 seconds to look down receivers and throw the ball. Manning, Brees, Brady, AND SANCHEZ gets 4 seconds to throw the ball and a lot of times more than that. Stafford is getting 2 seconds to throw the ball. I played a couple years of semi pro football and played some games under QB. Think about it.. 2 seconds to throw the ball isn't even enough time for the receivers to finish their routes and Stafford has to get rid of the ball by that time. Therefore, the offensive coordinator has to make the receiver routes shorter and quicker so Stafford can give the ball to them in 2 seconds and that means that he has to deal with throwing in front of the linebackers (Minnesota's LB had 2 interceptions last week). Give Stafford 4 seconds to throw like the best QB's in the league, and he'll have a 90+ passer rating.

Liqourish · Post #15 » by **Liqourish** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:57 pm

^ There's no use discussing actual football reasoning, she just reads stats and picks the guys she crushes on. I'm beginning to think she doesn't even like football, just Mark Sanchez.

And ICAM about TSE at least bringing reasoning related to sports into the argument.

Bartender · Post #16 » by **Bartender** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:00 pm

if she doesn't see the difference in my last post and learn that no QB can be productive with a bad line unless you're mike vick or a 250 pound QB like ben roethlisburger, then i lose all hope in reasoning.

kellmellus50 · Post #17 » by **kellmellus50** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:24 am

Bartender you too like liqourish do not know if i am a male or female,if you can't figure me out how can you figure the lions out?

Bartender · Post #18 » by **Bartender** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:36 am

I just figured you were a girl cuz you have a crush on Mark Sanchez.. and now that I know it's a man crush, i will explore the control panel to see if there's an ignore option.

Bartender · Post #19 » by **Bartender** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:36 am

kellmellus50 wrote:Bartender you too like liqourish do not know if i am a male or female,if you can't figure me out how can you figure the lions out?

just read what i said, monkey. tell me what you disagree with in my post i made.

kellmellus50 · Post #20 » by **kellmellus50** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:02 pm

Bartender all you do is give insults and verbally attack people and you should be barred from this board !!!.
You have nothing to give but attack people who don't believe the same way you do.
No wonder no one talks on this lions fourm anymore because of people like you.

Moderators: theBigLip, Icness i hope your reading this and will deal with bartender by looking at all of his posts to see the person he really is...he attacks people personaly for no reason.

P.s. Calling me a monkey is racist !!!!!! that alone you should be barred!!!!!
I will be filling a complaint to the board moderators, I urge other people to do the same.