Louis Delmas should be Defensive Rookie of the Year

Liqourish · Post #1 » by **Liqourish** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:07 pm

Delmas just missed out on Rookie of the Week due to Mike Wallace catching the GW TD for Pittsburgh. This got me to thinking about Rookie of the Year.

Delmas should be the Defensive Rookie of the Year but he won't get it for two reasons. Clay Matthews and Brian Orakpo. Neither of them are better than Louis. Neither of them have had a better rookie year than Delmas. But they've both had more hype and praise in the media than Delmas.

Everyone is riding Matthews for getting 10 sacks this year and Orakpo for getting 11. Which is impressive, don't get me wrong, but Delmas isn't a pass rusher, and he's had a historic rookie season.

1. He became the first rookie to register an interception return TD, fumble return TD and a safety in the same season (second player in NFL history; Rams LB Rod Martin, 1984).

2. Delmas has scored more defensive points than any rookie in the NFL in 2009 and ranks second overall in that category with 14 points (1 Int-TD, 1 Fum-Td, 1 safety). All three defensive scores have occurred against playoff-contending teams (New Orleans, Green Bay, Arizona).

3. Ranks first among rookie defensive backs and third among all rookies with 89 tackles (61 solo) (including special teams tackles). Matthews is 13th and Orakpo is 15th amongst rookies.

4. Ranks 7th amongst rookies in interceptions. 1 more would place him 4th. Matthews/Orakpo don't have any.

I don't see why Delmas' historic season should be swept under the rug because of the fact that he's not a pass rusher who gets sacks.

Bartender · Post #2 » by **Bartender** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:36 pm

I honestly think he'll get it. NFL has been loving the hell outta him all year. To me, he's the best rookie of the year.

MicrowaveReborn · Post #3 » by **MicrowaveReborn** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:40 pm

Liqourish wrote:Delmas just missed out on Rookie of the Week due to Mike Wallace catching the GW TD for Pittsburgh. This got me to thinking about Rookie of the Year.

Delmas should be the Defensive Rookie of the Year but he won't get it for two reasons. Clay Matthews and Brian Orakpo. Neither of them are better than Louis. Neither of them have had a better rookie year than Delmas. But they've both had more hype and praise in the media than Delmas.

Everyone is riding Matthews for getting 10 sacks this year and Orakpo for getting 11. Which is impressive, don't get me wrong, but Delmas isn't a pass rusher, and he's had a historic rookie season.

1. He became the first rookie to register an interception return TD, fumble return TD and a safety in the same season (second player in NFL history; Rams LB Rod Martin, 1984).

2. Delmas has scored more defensive points than any rookie in the NFL in 2009 and ranks second overall in that category with 14 points (1 Int-TD, 1 Fum-Td, 1 safety). All three defensive scores have occurred against playoff-contending teams (New Orleans, Green Bay, Arizona).

3. Ranks first among rookie defensive backs and third among all rookies with 89 tackles (61 solo) (including special teams tackles). Matthews is 13th and Orakpo is 15th amongst rookies.

4. Ranks 7th amongst rookies in interceptions. 1 more would place him 4th. Matthews/Orakpo don't have any.

I don't see why Delmas' historic season should be swept under the rug because of the fact that he's not a pass rusher who gets sacks.

Great post...crossing my fingers that he will bring home the hardware.

Post #4 » by **ajaX82** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:54 pm

He should get it...i concur. I actualluy think Cushing will be the biggest threat, that kid did good as well

Liqourish · Post #5 » by **Liqourish** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:12 pm

I wanted to bring this to the attention of ESPN writers but they never answer my questions, so my brother told me to change my name to a female to get them to answer and they did LOL.

Len Pasquarelli said "because he plays in detroit and most people nationally (and for that matter locally) don't pay much attention to the lions . . . but you make a great point, super year for defensive rookies like matthews, cushing, byrd, orakpo, and others".

So basically Delmas' season is ignored because he plays in Detroit and he doesn't even warrant a name mention, I guess he's implied with the "others". I wonder what makes Washington so much better that Orakpo gets respect?

Bartender · Post #6 » by **Bartender** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:19 pm

Cuz Washington is one of the top 5 highest marketed teams in the NFL.

Liqourish · Post #7 » by **Liqourish** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:08 pm

I'm two for two, Kevin Seifert just finally answered my question now that I changed my name.

Seifert:"I think it's fair to say Delmas has had a great rookie season, and I think that I have been pretty consistent with that assessment all season. Fair or otherwise, he definitely gets overlooked on a national scale because he plays for the Lions. And these awards usually hinge on a small set of stats: interceptions for DBs and sacks for DL and LBs. Because of that, Orakpo seems to be a favorite for the award. But I think Delmas is the Lions' best defensive player already."

So because he's a Lion, and the pass rushers gets sacks, nothing else counts. Nice.

Post #8 » by **ajaX82** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 3:06 am

ajaX82 wrote:He should get it...i concur. I actualluy think Cushing will be the biggest threat, that kid did good as well

Hate to ring my own bell but Cushing was the winner in a landslide

Delmas didnt get a single vote. not one. not ONE. absurd.....what a travesty that the kid doesnt get recognized by anyone for one hell of a season on a terrible, terrible team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4797623

TSE · Post #9 » by **TSE** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 8:20 am

Delmas had a great start to his career, but Lions fans need a reality check with respect to how good he is. He made a ton of gaffs that went for big plays this year, and showed a lot of raw instincts that need better honing. He's got great potential, but if you factor in all of the bad plays he had, they do overshadow some of his better accomplishments this year. Overall, he didn't technically contribute a ton, and he might even end up with a minus score if there was a plus/minus system.

Liqourish · Post #10 » by **Liqourish** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 2:58 pm

If Delmas was on any other team, he would have gotten votes. If Delmas put up those numbers on the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens.... hell even the Redskins... he's get the recognition.

This **** is getting ridiculous. Yes, the team is bad. But don't take it out on our good players for the piss poor play of others.

Liqourish · Post #11 » by **Liqourish** » Sat Jan 9, 2010 2:04 pm

Clay Matthews was just named to the Pro-Bowl. If I'm not mistaken, Matthews not joins Cushing, Byrd and Orakpo as defensive rookies in the pro-bowl. Hmmm..... wonder whos missing?

Bartender · Post #12 » by **Bartender** » Sat Jan 9, 2010 3:42 pm

Yeah, that's all pretty effed.

Mags FTW · Post #13 » by **Mags FTW** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:29 am

Liqourish wrote:Clay Matthews was just named to the Pro-Bowl. If I'm not mistaken, Matthews not joins Cushing, Byrd and Orakpo as defensive rookies in the pro-bowl. Hmmm..... wonder whos missing?

Darren Sharper
Nick Collins
Adrian Wilson

Who would you have Delmas replace?

Bartender · Post #14 » by **Bartender** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:40 am

Nick Collins, since Louis had almost twice the amount of tackles, 2 more defensive TD's, and having 20 more interception yards even though he has 4 less interceptions.

Point proven.

Liqourish · Post #15 » by **Liqourish** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:37 pm

^ +1 pretty easily

Bartender · Post #16 » by **Bartender** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:43 pm

He should be in over Adrian Wilson as well since he has more tackles, more INT yards, more forced fumbles, more fumble recoveries, more safeties, and more defensive touchdowns.

Only thing any of these people (besides Sharper) have on Louis is INT's and pass deflections. But even with more INT's then Delmas, Delmas STILL has more INT yards then them (again, besides Sharper)

Liqourish · Post #17 » by **Liqourish** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:45 pm

But they dont play for the Lions.

Bartender · Post #18 » by **Bartender** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:47 pm

No, but Wilson plays for a team that the Lions took into overtime in cruchtime of the season.

Mags FTW · Post #19 » by **Mags FTW** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:23 pm

Bartender wrote:Nick Collins, since Louis had almost twice the amount of tackles, 2 more defensive TD's, and having 20 more interception yards even though he has 4 less interceptions.

Point proven.

INT return yards? Seriously? What do you think a coach would rather have more, 20 return yards or 4 INTs?

Like it or not, being on the league's worst defense should hurt your chances of making the Pro Bowl. The Lions were dead last in both total defense and pass defense, while the Packers were 2nd in total and 5th in passing.

Bartender · Post #20 » by **Bartender** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:43 pm

Delmas had 130 INT yards.. which is 20 more then Nick Collins even though he had 4 more INT's. That just shows that Delmas is a bigger play maker.

And if the team records dictate individual performance, then wth is Adrian Wilson doing there? Shouldn't it be Madieu Williams or Tyrell Johnson since their team won more games then Arizona? The Pro Bowl and individual awards should be about individual performance, not how the team did. What is Steven Jackson doing in the pro bowl? He's on the leagues worst team. What is Brian Orakpo doing in the Pro Bowl? He plays on Washington, in whom Detroit beat.

The NFL don't even treat Detroit as a team. Like Liquorish said a couple days ago, Detroit was STILL getting the least respect in the league even when we were 7-9 just 2 or 3 seasons ago.