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Re: ATL: SB 58 

Post#1041 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:45 am

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Re: ATL: SB 58 

Post#1042 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:46 am

MVP2110 wrote:I'm absolutely fascinated to see the debate playout this offseason on how to handle the new overtime rules. Honestly there are advantages to both sides which I think means it's a good rule. My initial thought is the 49ers made the right call taking the ball but I'm open to being swayed
Na I would always want to see what the other team does on O first.

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Re: ATL: SB 58 

Post#1043 » by Mags FTW » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:49 am

MVP2110 wrote:I'm absolutely fascinated to see the debate playout this offseason on how to handle the new overtime rules. Honestly there are advantages to both sides which I think means it's a good rule. My initial thought is the 49ers made the right call taking the ball but I'm open to being swayed

It's probably the right call. If both teams scored TDs on their 1st drive, SF only needs a FG to win on the 3rd possession.
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Re: ATL: SB 58 

Post#1044 » by Reddeye » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:52 am

MVP2110 wrote:I'm absolutely fascinated to see the debate playout this offseason on how to handle the new overtime rules. Honestly there are advantages to both sides which I think means it's a good rule. My initial thought is the 49ers made the right call taking the ball but I'm open to being swayed


It is an easy choice. If you have a choice you let the other team have the ball first so you know you will have 4 downs every time if they score.

Also I didn't know that it was like ending the quarter and they wouldn't have ran out of time.
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Re: ATL: SB 58 

Post#1045 » by XtremeDunkz » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:55 am

You kick in overtime. Period. Hell I was even a supporter of kicking in OT even before the rule change if you have a good defense.

Also **** the 49ers. Great outcome.

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Post#1046 » by Mags FTW » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:04 am

I also don't get how Shanahan went for it down 3, but then settles for the FG at the 5 in OT.
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Re: ATL: SB 58 

Post#1047 » by Matches Malone » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:08 am

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Re: ATL: SB 58 

Post#1049 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:36 am

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MVP2110 wrote:I'm absolutely fascinated to see the debate playout this offseason on how to handle the new overtime rules. Honestly there are advantages to both sides which I think means it's a good rule. My initial thought is the 49ers made the right call taking the ball but I'm open to being swayed

It's probably the right call. If both teams scored TDs on their 1st drive, SF only needs a FG to win on the 3rd possession.

Right. Or if both teams kicked FG. Plus Niners defense was gassed. They got shredded anyway though.
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Re: ATL: SB 58 

Post#1051 » by drew881 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:51 am

rilamann wrote:The crazy thing about Mahomes is you almost forget that he's lost 2 AFC Championship games in overtime. He could easily be 5/6 in super bowls right now. 3/4 is still pretty damn good though lol.


And Brady could easily have 8 Super Bowls. Goes both ways.
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Re: ATL: SB 58 

Post#1052 » by MoMM » Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:04 am

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Ummm. A missed xp possible cost the 9ers the game


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Or not, because then KC would go for a TD during regulation time instead of a FG as the clock expires and SF loses…
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Re: ATL: SB 58 

Post#1053 » by RRyder823 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:18 am

MVP2110 wrote:I'm absolutely fascinated to see the debate playout this offseason on how to handle the new overtime rules. Honestly there are advantages to both sides which I think means it's a good rule. My initial thought is the 49ers made the right call taking the ball but I'm open to being swayed
Well the Chiefs ended up going for it on 4th and 1 in their own territory the final drive.... Something they most likely don't do had they had the ball 1st

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Re: ATL: SB 58 

Post#1054 » by XtremeDunkz » Mon Feb 12, 2024 9:42 am

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MVP2110 wrote:I'm absolutely fascinated to see the debate playout this offseason on how to handle the new overtime rules. Honestly there are advantages to both sides which I think means it's a good rule. My initial thought is the 49ers made the right call taking the ball but I'm open to being swayed
Well the Chiefs ended up going for it on 4th and 1 in their own territory the final drive.... Something they most likely don't do had they had the ball 1st

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Re: ATL: SB 58 

Post#1055 » by trwi7 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:11 pm

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MVP2110 wrote:I'm absolutely fascinated to see the debate playout this offseason on how to handle the new overtime rules. Honestly there are advantages to both sides which I think means it's a good rule. My initial thought is the 49ers made the right call taking the ball but I'm open to being swayed
Well the Chiefs ended up going for it on 4th and 1 in their own territory the final drive.... Something they most likely don't do had they had the ball 1st

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Chiefs players also said that if SF scored a TD and then KC went and scored a TD, the Chiefs would have gone for 2 and there wouldn't have been a third possession.
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Re: ATL: SB 58 

Post#1056 » by MVP2110 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:43 pm

Here's a long thread someone did back in March on the new OT rules. Insanely close either way on whether taking the ball first is the right call or not

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Post#1057 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:10 pm

Dan Campbell got slaughtered for his decisions because "take the points" and "tie the game" etc. etc. etc.

A few things:
-Shanahan could've tied it with a short FG late. Went for it at a similar point as Campbell's last "bad decision" and it paid off with a touchdown to actually give them the lead/almost win it. Nobody cares because it worked.
-4th and 4 at the 35 for the 49ers in a tie game with just under 2 minutes left. You could go for it and basically end the game with a first down and not give it back to Mahomes, who you know will get a FG.
-4th and 4 from the 9 in OT. You could go for it there and go up 7 (or 8). If you miss, Mahomes has to go 60 yards to win with a FG which is barely shorter than how long the TD drive was.
-Bonus: 4th and 9 at the 26 for the Bills: I know, this is a stretch. But you have Josh Allen and you know that Patrick Mahomes would easily go and score 3 points even if Bass hit the FG.

I don't blame him the coaches for any of these decisions, but when you're facing Mahomes...these are the exact times to trust the aggressive side of the analytics and try to win the game yourself.
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Post#1058 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:38 pm

I had no idea SF won the toss and elected to receive.
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Re: ATL: SB 58 

Post#1059 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:11 pm

trwi7 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:I'm absolutely fascinated to see the debate playout this offseason on how to handle the new overtime rules. Honestly there are advantages to both sides which I think means it's a good rule. My initial thought is the 49ers made the right call taking the ball but I'm open to being swayed
Well the Chiefs ended up going for it on 4th and 1 in their own territory the final drive.... Something they most likely don't do had they had the ball 1st

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Chiefs players also said that if SF scored a TD and then KC went and scored a TD, the Chiefs would have gone for 2 and there wouldn't have been a third possession.


Even if it played out that way, the Chiefs still have to make it. The analytics change a bit with Mahomes, but the 49ers stopped them inside the 5 a bunch and the Chiefs have actually not been great on 2PC the past few years. So there's still some positive for the 49ers that if the Chiefs wanted to do that, you have a chance to win by matching touchdowns.
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Re: ATL: SB 58 

Post#1060 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:21 pm

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RRyder823 wrote:Well the Chiefs ended up going for it on 4th and 1 in their own territory the final drive.... Something they most likely don't do had they had the ball 1st

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Chiefs players also said that if SF scored a TD and then KC went and scored a TD, the Chiefs would have gone for 2 and there wouldn't have been a third possession.


Even if it played out that way, the Chiefs still have to make it. The analytics change a bit with Mahomes, but the 49ers stopped them inside the 5 a bunch and the Chiefs have actually not been great on 2PC the past few years. So there's still some positive for the 49ers that if the Chiefs wanted to do that, you have a chance to win by matching touchdowns.
I think being a Packers fan skews my judgement a bit because I have zero faith they will ever stop an opponent who's using all 4 downs in desperation mode.

So I would kick first because then you might stop them in 3 downs for a punt or FG. Then if the opponent scores in that first drive I would play it like it's my last possession and go for 2.

If I rooted for a team that I felt could actually gets stops my opinion might be different.

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