Game 4: Vikings at Packers - 9/29/24 - Noon - CBS

[HKPackFan]

Well, the negative is this young team makes a lot of mistakes.

The good.. This young team never quits and they have a lot of fight in them.

Intrigued to see how that plays out. Do they clean it up mature some and get a consistent kicker?

Or do we end up living with this crazy roller coaster team full of highs and lots of lows.

[humanrefutation]

Definitely agree with the criticisms of Gary and Clark. But let me just say that LVN needs to add more to his pass rush arsenal than the bull rush. Can someone teach the guy some pass rush moves?

[Ron Swanson]

Not gonna put this one on the defense when they nearly pitched a shutout in the 2nd half and the offense turned it over 4 times. McDuffie and Nixon aren't starting caliber NFL players though, and it's frustrating how often they're the reason for us not getting stops.

Thought it was important that Love looked like he regained his confidence by the end of the game, but three of his four interceptions have been some of the worst decisions I've ever seen him make. Dude really needs to clean that stuff up. Darnold didn't even play all that well, he just made one less bonehead play and got a few lucky bounces elsewhere (McDuffie dropped INT).

Nothing else to be said about Narveson and the kicking issues at this point. Dude needs to be shown the door asap, but I have zero faith in the competency of this current special teams coaching staff. They appear to be content with it being a trainwreck for yet another season...

[MoMM]

The best kicker in the league was literally just hanging around the usfl for 2 years. There has to be others.

Who?

[Turk Nowitzki]

Not gonna put this one on the defense when they nearly pitched a shutout in the 2nd half and the offense turned it over 4 times.

Plenty of blame to go around. I'm glad they came back stronger in the 2nd half but I don't think you can just wave away the part the defense played in putting us in a 28-0 hole.

[Mags FTW]

The best kicker in the league was literally just hanging around the usfl for 2 years. There has to be others.

Who?

Brandon Aubrey

[MoMM]

The best kicker in the league was literally just hanging around the usfl for 2 years. There has to be others.

Who?

Brandon Aubrey

American football career
After being released from the Bethlehem Steel FC in 2018, Aubrey decided to use his degree from Notre Dame to become a software engineer. While watching an NFL game on TV in 2019, a placekicker missed a field goal and his wife told him: "You could do that." From 2019 to 2022, Aubrey worked with a former Mississippi State kicker and kicking coach Brian Egan three times a week.

I don't understand why soccer players don't try to be a kicker, it should be super easy for them.

[raysbookclub]

When does Bisaccia's seat get hot? Aren't the kicker problems his responsibility? Isn't it his responsibility that the punt coverage players know the rules of when you can advance a muff? Granted, Whelan was the only Packer standout in the first half, but can't shake the disappointment with the ST and Bisaccia, who came in so touted and expensive.

[MickeyDavis]

I'm not sure what the big deal is about the muffed punt. Coverage team saw the guy drop it, grabbed it and ran it in. It's instinct. The fact it couldn't be advanced is irrelevant.

[BUCKnation]

Who?

Brandon Aubrey

American football career
After being released from the Bethlehem Steel FC in 2018, Aubrey decided to use his degree from Notre Dame to become a software engineer. While watching an NFL game on TV in 2019, a placekicker missed a field goal and his wife told him: "You could do that." From 2019 to 2022, Aubrey worked with a former Mississippi State kicker and kicking coach Brian Egan three times a week.

I don't understand why soccer players don't try to be a kicker, it should be super easy for them.

Josh Lambo, who was a pretty good kicker for awhile used to be a goal keeper in the US academy. Actually played in Middleton in HS.

[BUCKnation]

I'm not sure what the big deal is about the muffed punt. Coverage team saw the guy drop it, grabbed it and ran it in. It's instinct. The fact it couldn't be advanced is irrelevant.

It's a stupid rule anyways, but yeah, it's hard to remember that kind of obscure rule in the heat of the moment when the number 1 thing is to just get the ball in the first place.

[raysbookclub]

I'm not sure what the big deal is about the muffed punt. Coverage team saw the guy drop it, grabbed it and ran it in. It's instinct. The fact it couldn't be advanced is irrelevant.

It's a stupid rule anyways, but yeah, it's hard to remember that kind of obscure rule in the heat of the moment when the number 1 thing is to just get the ball in the first place.

Idk. If, on a kickoff (old kickoff), the ball is bouncing near the sideline but isn't quite out, how is Cobb, in the heat of the moment, supposed to remember that you can have one foot inbounds and one foot out, and you'll get it at the 40? But that's what he does, because he learned that rule, somehow.

Or, on a blocked kick in the snow at the end of the game, how is Leon Lett supposed to remember not to touch the ball after the block, rather than try to grab it, allowing the other team to get another chance to kick it? But that play is regularly in top 10 dumb play NFL shows, because the expectation is for pro players to know they don't have to go for the ball, like the rest of his team who didn't go for the ball knew the rule.

Yeah, not being able to advance a muff is more obscure than other rules, but it's not *that* obscure. I think it's fair to expect professional ST players to know the rules for a muffed punt. I mean, there's only three scenarios on a punt catch: 1) fair catch, 2) catch and run, 3) muff.

Anyway, argument aside, if that was the only ST gaffe that Packers fans had ever seen happen, maybe not a big deal, but it just fits a bigger pattern of what seems to be like lack of strong coaching.

[MVP2110]

I mean the ref on the field signaled TD and had to be corrected. If it's so obscure that the ref on the field didn't even know it was a rule I think it's ok that a player didn't. Besides it'd have been risky to purposely not fall on the ball in the hopes it goes into the endzone

[Bernman]

Brandon Aubrey

American football career
After being released from the Bethlehem Steel FC in 2018, Aubrey decided to use his degree from Notre Dame to become a software engineer. While watching an NFL game on TV in 2019, a placekicker missed a field goal and his wife told him: "You could do that." From 2019 to 2022, Aubrey worked with a former Mississippi State kicker and kicking coach Brian Egan three times a week.

I don't understand why soccer players don't try to be a kicker, it should be super easy for them.

Josh Lambo, who was a pretty good kicker for awhile used to be a goal keeper in the US academy. Actually played in Middleton in HS.

Lambo retired prematurely. Maybe it would be a dream to kick for the Packers.

As to the question why don't soccer players become kickers...the answer is because it can pay well to play the sport, better than NFL kickers if they're real good, it has more stability, opportunities ww, & they don't have to get hit ever.

But a lot of the failed ones would still be among the best NFL kickers. The Packers could put out an APB for failed MLS'ers like Lambo & Aubrey were.

[MoMM]

I don't understand why soccer players don't try to be a kicker, it should be super easy for them.

Josh Lambo, who was a pretty good kicker for awhile used to be a goal keeper in the US academy. Actually played in Middleton in HS.

Lambo retired prematurely. Maybe it would be a dream to kick for the Packers.

As to the question why don't soccer players become kickers...the answer is because it can pay well to play the sport, better than NFL kickers if they're real good, it has more stability, opportunities ww, & they don't have to get hit ever.

But a lot of the failed ones would still be among the best NFL kickers. The Packers could put out an APB for failed MLS'ers like Lambo & Aubrey were.

Yes, top soccer players earn more, but the point is that you don't even need to be a top soccer player to be a kicker in the NFL, so 1-4M/year is an excellent salary for them.

Maybe this guy from Australia in the PS has a good potential (not a soccer country by any means), but for example Brazil and Germany have good fan bases in terms of NFL and they are soccer countries, you should be able to find someone there (Cairo Santos, for example).

[BUCKnation]

I'm not sure what the big deal is about the muffed punt. Coverage team saw the guy drop it, grabbed it and ran it in. It's instinct. The fact it couldn't be advanced is irrelevant.

It's a stupid rule anyways, but yeah, it's hard to remember that kind of obscure rule in the heat of the moment when the number 1 thing is to just get the ball in the first place.

Idk. If, on a kickoff (old kickoff), the ball is bouncing near the sideline but isn't quite out, how is Cobb, in the heat of the moment, supposed to remember that you can have one foot inbounds and one foot out, and you'll get it at the 40? But that's what he does, because he learned that rule, somehow.

Or, on a blocked kick in the snow at the end of the game, how is Leon Lett supposed to remember not to touch the ball after the block, rather than try to grab it, allowing the other team to get another chance to kick it? But that play is regularly in top 10 dumb play NFL shows, because the expectation is for pro players to know they don't have to go for the ball, like the rest of his team who didn't go for the ball knew the rule.

Yeah, not being able to advance a muff is more obscure than other rules, but it's not *that* obscure. I think it's fair to expect professional ST players to know the rules for a muffed punt. I mean, there's only three scenarios on a punt catch: 1) fair catch, 2) catch and run, 3) muff.

Anyway, argument aside, if that was the only ST gaffe that Packers fans had ever seen happen, maybe not a big deal, but it just fits a bigger pattern of what seems to be like lack of strong coaching.

Either way, I'm still just mainly concerned with actually getting the ball. Seen way too many scenarios where guys just cannot pick up the ball.

[Reddeye]

I like Jacobs, but maybe they should have paid Jones a little more to stay.

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