Game 13: Packers at Lions - 12/5/24 - 7:15 - Amazon/Channel 6 in the Milwaukee Area

[rilamann]

If Goff had actually fallen down or if the Packers had simply stopped the Lions on 4th down and the Lions ended up losing the game.

That call to not kick the FG would go down as one of the dumbest calls in NFL history.

But Goff kept his balance so that means that Dan Campbell has big guts.

Imagine if Goff had fallen down and got tagged and the Lions lost the game. And because of it, missed out on the #1 seed by 1 game and got bumped down to the #5 seed wild card.

Crazy how easily that could have been the scenario the Lions would be facing today. That might have put a black cloud over the Lion's season.

Dan Campbell should give half his salary from this season to Goff, Goff saved his ass and might have saved the Lions season by keeping his balance and not falling down.

If I am a Lion's fan and the Lions end up winning the Super Bowl, Goff not falling down there is my #1 highlight of the season.

[Kerb Hohl]

If Goff had actually fallen down or if the Packers had simply stopped the Lions on 4th down and the Lions ended up losing the game.

That call to not kick the FG would go down as one of the dumbest calls in NFL history.

But Goff kept his balance so that means that Dan Campbell has big guts.

Imagine if Goff had fallen down and got tagged and the Lions lost the game. And because of it, missed out on the #1 seed by 1 game and got bumped down to the #5 seed wild card.

Crazy how easily that could have been the scenario the Lions would be facing today. That might have put a black cloud over the Lion's season.

Dan Campbell should give half his salary from this season to Goff, Goff saved his ass and might have saved the Lions season by keeping his balance and not falling down.

If I am a Lion's fan and the Lions end up winning the Super Bowl, Goff not falling down there is my #1 highlight of the season.

Imagine if they kicked the FG on 4th down and he missed it. That would've been the dumbest decision in NFL history.

If I have the decision to drive from Major City A to Major City B and the 2 highways I can go on are 2 hours vs. 2 hours and 5 minutes...I choose the one that is 2 hours drive and it turns out there is an unexpected catastrophic accident and I am stuck for 4 hours on the highway...that doesn't make the initial decision stupid.

Totally fine if somebody believes they could've/should've kicked it. To say that if they didn't get it makes the decision stupid...I really question critical thinking in some people.

[PintSizedBox10]

Detroit becoming the league's most arrogant team (and dirty) despite not winning anything is hilarious. I can't stand them anymore

[MickeyDavis]

Lions failed on 2 4th down attempts in FG range in the NFC Championship game and lost by 3

[Kerb Hohl]

Lions failed on 2 4th down attempts in FG range in the NFC Championship game and lost by 3

The 49ers played the game differently in holding the lead. They would've probably gone down and won regardless.

Either decision last night was fine. I respect Campbell because he will get backlash for being wrong since it is not something people can conceptualize as easily.

Same thing last week...some tweets and chatter about the Cardinals' decision to "take the points" because it makes you feel safe and they didn't risk it on a single play. Nobody cares since it wasn't the risky decision. But it very likely cost them the game in forcing the Vikings to play aggressively to go for the win and simply not putting the game away by getting 3 yards.

[MVP2110]

Lions failed on 2 4th down attempts in FG range in the NFC Championship game and lost by 3

And it was talked about to death as opposed to the numerous times a coach plays conservatively and loses which seems to be more acceptable for some reason. MLF last night, Arizona last week, etc. there has been almost no discussion around the conservative decisions made being wrong. People just jump on when the aggressive decisions go wrong and think for whatever reason it's fluky.

[Siefer]

I don't think there should be much debate that MLF is too conservative on 4th downs. We should be going for it a lot more than we do, like near midfield last night.

[MVP2110]

I don't think there should be much debate that MLF is too conservative on 4th downs. We should be going for it a lot more than we do, like near midfield last night.

I really wanna know what switched. Last year he was the 8th most aggressive coach on 4th downs, in 2022 he was the 5th most aggressive coach on 4th downs. I'm really curious why he all of a sudden has become so conservative this season

[Ron Swanson]

Disagree with the hindsight analysis on MLF needing to go for it on any of those three 4th down plays. Again, can't just disregard the situation at hand and blindly look at the probability numbers in a vacuum (Field position is still important and punting it literally set up the 4th down stop in their territory). Massive difference between 4th and inches anywhere on the field, and 4th and 2 on the goal line (like Detroit had) vs. 4th and 3, 4th and 5, and 4th and 6 at midfield. Comparing them is a false equivalency, unless people are actually suggesting we should have went for it on 4th and goal from the 14 on that last drive.

The Watson fumble, the dumbass 1st half penalties (Quay personal foul to set up a FG), secondary injuries, and trash officiating going against us in crucial scoring situations were all the major culprits here. The "Dan Campbell has big balls!" 4th down stuff is gonna dominate the casual media talk shows and NFL twitter, but it's a footnote compared to the other stuff. Both teams had the same number of defensive stops (4) and this was the definition of a "whoever got the ball last wins" game from the opening kick.

[Kerb Hohl]

I don't think there should be much debate that MLF is too conservative on 4th downs. We should be going for it a lot more than we do, like near midfield last night.

I really wanna know what switched. Last year he was the 8th most aggressive coach on 4th downs, in 2022 he was the 5th most aggressive coach on 4th downs. I'm really curious why he all of a sudden has become so conservative this season

I think part of it may be a better defense, a lot of games against **** teams, and Malik Willis for a while. Just a total guess, though. It might be more circumstantial.

[MoMM]

Read on Twitter

Our OL was terrible in this game. In my opinion that was the reason we lost, Love was pressured all the time.
We can talk about 4th downs, Watson's PI, etc, but the lose was OL's fault.
As for MLF, I like him even if he is conservative, my problem with him is his challenges, they are just awful.

[Matches Malone]

As much as I think Jordan Morgan will be decent, not taking Graham Barton still bums me. Day 1 starter you could have plugged in at guard this year and take over center next year.

[ReginaldDwight]

Myers has been trash all year, need an upgrade next year

[Ayt]

I've given Myers a long leash, but he needs to go

[MVP2110]

I've given Myers a long leash, but he needs to go

Yep. Out of Centers that have played atleast 50% of snaps this season Myers is 28/29 on PFF. He's been bad. With Morgan hurt I don't think they have a great replacement in season but C is definitely a spot they should look to upgrade in the offseason

[raysbookclub]

Our old backup QB Kurt Benkert has a video on this game, talks about how the Lions' defensive lineman playing over Myers was able to get off the snap so fast and screw up plays because 1) the Packers don't have the guard help call the snap on silent counts and 2) more importantly, the Packers often take so long to snap the ball and run the play clock to nearly zero, so that the defensive lineman over the ball can just fire when he sees Myers move his head, knowing it has to be snapped.