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Did Favre want out of GB in March?

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Did Favre want out of GB in March? 

Post#1 » by magicfan4life05 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:51 pm

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but I just had to get your thoughts....

I'm so surprised no one is talking about this.

Does anyone remember that story in the LA Times (that's im searching for right now) that came out just 2 weeks after Favre retiring, and stated that his agent, Bus Cook, was getting "feelers around the league for Favre" and 'gaging interest in this cilent"

This was just 2 weeks AFTER he retired. Everyone shot it down, but I heard a couple of people support the writer saying he sources are impeccable and of course Cook and all them deny it.

I think that story was indeed true then and is now. I think they were looking at potential teams to go back to b/c he didn't want to be in GB any more because of his relationship with TT and the reasons we all know (not getting moss and other requests of Favre). Right after Moss resigned with NE, Favre wanted out, and COINCIDENTLY RETIRED THE FOLLOWING DAY he resigned. So he made a formal announcement he was retiring to make everyone move on. Then later privately to MM and TT says he's thinking about coming back...then changes his mind...and then when the timing couldn't be worse right before training camp, he wants to come back after making management have no confidence in his decision making to know if he really does want to come back, they were pissed enough with the song and dance and he keeps going back and forth.

It seemed Favre did all he could just to make it almost impossible for them to bring him back. I think he knew this and wanted out and was using this scenario b/c he thought the Packer would bend and just release him, but they did not give in.

I think he had this planned for a long time, he wanted to retire to have the packers move on with rodgers, which would make it so difficult for him to come back. I think he knew this and wanted this to happen but it's not working as smoothly as he wanted.


Once again, I'm not one for conspiracies, but DOES ANYONE else think this has some credence?


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I'm putting forth a hypothesis here, feel free to agree or disagree, it's a theory I have been developing for a while.

Does the 'timing' of everything Brett has done seem a little suspicious to anyone? It does to me, right down to Brett choosing the time that TT is away on vacation to start making big pushes for things to happen.

I contend that Brett Favre is not a particularly intelligent guy. He had a very unspectacular Wonderlic score, I contend that Bus Cook does a lot of the thinking for Favre, Bus and probably Deanna, which is no surprise either.

I contend that Bus Cook and Brett have been cooking up this plan for a while, mostly Bus doing the cooking, telling Brett 'don't worry about thing, I've got it all worked out". My thinking, and that of a lot of other people, is that Brett does not like TT and the way he runs the team. Their best interests are in conflict. My best guess is that ever since the Randy Moss deal fell through, Brett has had it in his mind that he wants out of GB. I bet Bus Cook was more than happy to nurture that feeling. Bus has probably already gotten paid his cut he was due for Brett's last contract. New team, new contract, new cut for Bus???

It appears to me that every move Brett ( and Bus) made, and the timing of these moves has made it as difficult as it could possibly be for TT. I have a hard time envisioning it having worked out in any other way that could have made it HARDER for TT.

They make an initial overture to feel out the team in March that they want to come back. No wait, too early, team hasn't put enough time, effort, and resources into Rodgers yet, they could still accept Brett back, looks like they will, better backtrack. So he does.

They lie low until OTA's are over and so much time, energy, resources have been put into Rodgers that Brett/Bus KNOWS the team can't backtrack now. Perfect time to call MM and demand they take you back. Brett/Bus gets the exact reaction from MM they expected. After all it was MM, not TT who put in all that work with Rodgers and the offense. NOW they've got the wedge driven between Brett/Bus and MM that they need.

Then, they wait until they know both MM and TT are away and not available to easily deal with a crisis. PERFECT time to spring the trap.

All along, ever since March, it's been about slowly and deliberately driving wedges between Brett and the team's interests . Calculated, timed perfectly. Drive those wedges, one at a time, until you are guaranteed the team CANNOT take him back. Make it so that they wouldn't want to take him back. Jerk those chains just enough to make TT and MM think 'this is not worth it, let's be rid of this guy'.

Bus Cook knows very well how Brett is viewed by fans. He KNOWS legions of fans will cry foul and demand Brett be brought back. He also knows that by this time the team cannot and will not take him back. Bus knows that there are many fans who do not like TT. Therefore TT is the perfect scapegoat. The fans will surely turn on TT before they would ever turn on the "Legend" Brett Favre! Easy as pie. Make TT look bad.

Ockham's Razor is a principal that states that "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best." I'd say that Bus Cook's measured and exact planning is what is largely behind this mess. Experience would tell us agents are 'evil', as they are tied most directly to THE root of all evil, MONEY. For fans it's about tradition, socializing, pride in our team. For players it's about glory...and money. For agents it's ALL about money. Period.

Bus Cook = man behind the curtain.



It has to do more with Cook's role, but same theory is applied, was this Favre's plan the whole time?


(keep in mind, im someone who wants to see him comeback, so i have no hate or anything)
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Re: Did Favre want out of GB in March? 

Post#2 » by TheGhostDog » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:45 pm

I heard ESPN's John Clayton say (I think it was during a WSSP interview last week) that he was really curious why Favre would call MM on Friday, June 20th, when he knew everyone in the Packer offices would be out the door leaving for vacation. Clayton said Favre would have had to have known that the Packers couldn't respond to anything Favre might have to say that day.
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Post#3 » by mnstinks » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:59 pm

I posted this in the other thread...

From last April:

On Thursday night, he told Letterman that as the start of training camp approaches in July, "Something's bound to happen."

Asked by Letterman what he meant, Favre smiled before adding, "Butterflies, or I don't know. I don't know. Something's bound to happen."
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Post#4 » by magicfan4life05 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:57 pm

Another thing

Well Favre keeps mentioning how he was "pressured" into retiring, the Packers were pressing for an answer before the draft/FA and he said he gave the honest answer at the time, but he was pressured into it.

Well yesterday Peter King was on PTI and says he's listened to the message Favre left for him at the time of him retiring, and in no way does it sound like a guy who was being pressured, King says he talked about he's given all he has, and stuff like that. King mentioned how he's showed it to other people and they've listened to it and they all feel the same, and said they felt it was his own decision.

Now this isn't anything conclusive by any means, but you juts start to add things together...and things start to smell a little funny...
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Post#5 » by magicfan4life05 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:59 pm

Here's the article that actually came out a month after Favre retired ( I said it was 2 weeks which was INCORRECT)



http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/04 ... /sp-favre4


Brett Favre retired? Maybe not

By Sam Farmer
April 04, 2008

Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Favre, who announced his retirement last month after 17 seasons, could be weighing a comeback with another team.

According to NFL sources, Favre’s agent has quietly inquired with teams about their interest in trading for the three-time NFL most valuable player.

Favre, 38, has yet to give written notice of his retirement to the league or the players’ union, although that’s neither required nor irrevocable. It’s also not uncommon for players to delay in doing so, particularly if they are not in immediate need of their pension money.

Reached today, agent James “Bus” Cook said he was not aware of Favre’s interest in resuming his career.

“That’s news to me,” Cook said. “I don’t think that has anything to do with anything. He’s retired, period, point blank.”

Favre’s rights still belong to the Packers, who could trade him to another team.

The league sources said Favre’s decision to retire was partially influenced by his frustration that the Packers didn’t make a more aggressive attempt to sign Randy Moss. The team twice had a chance to do so, first in spring 2007 – before New England acquired the All-Pro receiver from Oakland – and again this off-season.

Favre retired a day after the Patriots re-signed Moss to a three-year, $27-million deal. Cook, who, along with agent Tim Dipiero, handles contracts for Moss, denied any link between the receiver and Favre’s decision to retire.

“As far as Randy’s deal with New England, there were never any negotiations with Green Bay,” he said. “As far as I know, Brett retired because he was tired and burned out.”








I don't know about you guys, but the first time I read/heard about this in April, it wasn't that big of a deal, yeah maybe the guy is having second thoughts w/e it's expected...we all thought that...


but NOW

after we know what's transpired over the last couple of weeks, reading that article now, it juts all fits together, it honestly feels this was planned or something...

something is definitely fishy....

anyone else feel the same?
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Post#6 » by mnstinks » Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:59 pm

anyone else feel the same?


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Post#7 » by Neusch23 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:25 pm

I don't think that at all. I think Brett just can't make up his mind, personally.

Honestly, he is beloved by 90% of the fans up here. He is on a very good team, with a good chance to go far in the playoffs.

If we were a bad team, on a road to no where...then I would buy into it....but we are not, and I don't buy it.

I really think that at the end of June Brett just made the decision that he wanted to play, and he didn't like the answer he got, and was upset. Things progressed to where they are at now with both sides looking like children.
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Post#8 » by magicfan4life05 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:54 pm

^ That's honestly another legitimate possibility of what happened, and I'm really inclined to believe it because the other one is just a little far fetched, but I just keep going back and forth on the two scenarios not knowing what to believe...
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Post#9 » by Kerb Hohl » Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:54 am

Neusch23 wrote:I don't think that at all. I think Brett just can't make up his mind, personally.

Honestly, he is beloved by 90% of the fans up here. He is on a very good team, with a good chance to go far in the playoffs.

If we were a bad team, on a road to no where...then I would buy into it....but we are not, and I don't buy it.

I really think that at the end of June Brett just made the decision that he wanted to play, and he didn't like the answer he got, and was upset. Things progressed to where they are at now with both sides looking like children.


Well we made none of the moves he wanted, TT clearly wants to go young, and there was word out that he was seeking a trade before last season.

I wouldn't doubt at all that he felt that he just wasn't welcome here and wanted out. The team wasn't "good" until this year and we haven't made major trades or signings to go for a "win now" type of thing.
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Post#10 » by bigrich88 » Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:30 am

wow, i didn't think much of it until now but this is starting to look like it was pre-meditated. i keep looking, as someone bought it up before, at what he said on that David Letterman show and he basically almost gave it away. I don't want to believe it was planned but it is kind of looking more and more as if this whole ordeal was planned.
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Post#11 » by bucks59 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:22 pm

I think Peter King might agree with you on this one. He has written several times that he has played the voice message that Favre left him after he retired to several other people and they were convinced that he was retired.

I would hope that Favre isnt doing this just to get out of GB, and to be honest, I personally just think he changed his mind during the offseason once he realized how much he missed it.
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Post#12 » by eagle13 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:19 pm

I have always supported Brett but I agree with the post. I think brett was pissed about TT not dancing to his tune. I even agree to some extent. But TT is GM and is proving himself correct. I will always love Brett but a pussy is a pussy and Brett is a pussy for this BS.

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