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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#241 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:28 am

I thought GB was able to get pressure on Romo, and Rodgers was far from harassed. I honestly had no problem with the Packer lines on either side.

If anything, I'd have to give massive credit to Barber. I loved him coming out of Minnesota and he's become a stud. But that line of his did him no favors; he was making holes for himself. There weren't many times where he was brought down on first contact.

Maybe it's because the Philly/Pitt game is fresh in my mind, but nothing about the Packer's line alarmed me at all. The Packers played a top team tonight; they should expect that kind of pressure.
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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#242 » by El Duderino » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:36 am

DrugBust wrote:I thought GB was able to get pressure on Romo, and Rodgers was far from harassed. I honestly had no problem with the Packer lines on either side.

If anything, I'd have to give massive credit to Barber. I loved him coming out of Minnesota and he's become a stud. But that line of his did him no favors; he was making holes for himself. There weren't many times where he was brought down on first contact.

Maybe it's because the Philly/Pitt game is fresh in my mind, but nothing about the Packer's line alarmed me at all. The Packers played a top team tonight; they should expect that kind of pressure.



One thing about football more than other sports, two people can watch the same game and see much different things. While i don't think either of our line got dominated

The line for them opened more holes in the running game than the Packers did. Not only did Barber see more holes than our backs, on two long runs by Jones, their line completely sealed the edge and Jones ran 10 yards or more without even a defender near him.

In the passing game, Dallas got more consistent pressure than our defensive line did. Yea our dline had their flashes of pressure, but there were also multiple times where Romo sack back there forever. The number of times Rodgers had the time to stand in the pocket comfortably and look down field were less.

For all the play making weapons the Cowboys possess, if they don't have the best offensive line in football, it's in the top 3 or so. They not only run block very well, the most they need to ever keep in to pass block is a back and they are a downfield passing team, not a three step and get it out.

BTW, even though they deserved to win. On that second long TD to Autin, there was a BLATANT hold not called, Jenkins got flat out tackled. On another long gain, a guy on Dallas was actually pulling Cole's jersey from behind as he closed on Romo, not called either. I don't complain about questionable blown calls, those were terribly obvious and can't fathom how they were missed.
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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#243 » by emunney » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:51 am

The non-hold on the 2nd Austin TD was a really bad call. I have to say though, that 2nd intentional grounding wasn't really within the spirit of the rule, either... could have been within the letter. It was just miscommunication... if the guy had cut to the sideline instead of going downfield, the ball would have been there.

But that play's not a touchdown, or probably even a catch, if Rouse takes a decent angle instead of coming in a step behind the receiver and taking out Williams, who was there.
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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#244 » by Flames24Rulz » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:43 am

I know before the season started, I marked this game down as a W in the schedule thread, but I did not have a very good feeling about this game all week long and I was pretty sure we were going to lose this game, unfortunately.

I actually thought Rodgers did ok considering how much Dallas was bringing the heat. Yes he held onto the ball a little too long, but it's better to take a sack than to just throw the ball up and pray that someone comes down with it. Another game with no turnovers for him...he's running the west-coast offense just like I expected him too. That style of play should be good enough to beat Tampa and the Cover 2 next week, but we needed more big plays to hang in there with Dallas. Unfortunately, that didn't get it done. I'd put that more on McCarthy though than Rodgers.

I'm not really all that frustrated with this loss because I do think it was evident that we can compete with Dallas. Our red zone playcalling was a little hideous. After that big pass to Driver, we should've been able to punch it in and that would've tied the game at 13. Instead we had a run and then a Rodgers scramble for nothing before Rodgers got sacked. It's an entirely different ballgame if it's tied at 13 there instead of a 13-9 game.

And I thought the defense played well considering Harris was out for most of the game. Woodson did a fantastic job on T.O. I'm glad McCarthy finally wised up and decided using against Harris on bigger wideouts. If only we used Harris on Plaxico in the NFC Title game..

Dallas just made the big plays while we didn't. They do have some big play guys, but Mario Austin isn't one of them. Terrible job by Tramon Williams and not really sure what Aaron Rouse was doing there. We missed Bigby tonight in terms of the physical aspect on defense. Dallas owned us in the time of possession battle which really hurt our defense, but given the amount of time out there, they did fine. Obviously like everyone else, I'd like to see more blitzing on 3rd and long, but our front 4 did a pretty respectable job on getting pressure on Romo. Dallas is on TV a ton and that was the most pressure - by far - that he has faced through the first 3 games this year. I wish I could say the same about the run D, but they held Barber somewhat for the first half...I just think they got burned and were gassed because they were on the field for 2/3's of the first half. Again, we should be fine in terms of that regard next week.

We'll be more than fine for the rest of the year as long as we continue to do what we have been doing. This team has a lot of talent and it's going to be fun to watch these guys mold together as the year goes on. I really hope Ryan Grant can get 100% soon because him and Brandon Jackson could form a real nice 1-2 punch in the backfield. And Jordy Nelson is looking like he can bolster our WR corps to an even greater collection of wideouts if he can continue to have games like he did tonight. Greg Jennings deserves a huge deal; he's fast becoming a top 10 receiver in the game. Seriously.

There are definitely some positives to take away from this game, especially if you're a fan that didn't think we were going to win this game. Beat Tampa and ATL and you're 4-1. I don't think that's unatainable at all.
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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#245 » by emunney » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:01 am

I take back what I said about Tramon after watching the play again. He was there, but he got lost.

Rouse still took a ridiculously bad angle.
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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#246 » by LUKE23 » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:34 pm

Not that upset with this one. Dallas has EASILY the most complete offense in football, and I don't think it's close. I do agree with titan, key is running the ball and limiting the # of possessions in the game, because their offense is going to be tough to stop. I thought Grant was running pretty well (4.2 yards per carry) and we kind of went away from it.

Dallas only allowed 56% completion from Rodgers, and that is including the prevent defense the entire second half of the fourth quarter. They may give up yardage, but that is because teams are behind and have to pass.

But like I said, not that upset with this one. I thought the pass D overall was pretty good, save the two big plays (and the second one that was a TD was offensive pass interference, not called).

Just win next week.
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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#247 » by msiris » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:10 pm

DrugBust wrote:I thought GB was able to get pressure on Romo, and Rodgers was far from harassed. I honestly had no problem with the Packer lines on either side.

If anything, I'd have to give massive credit to Barber. I loved him coming out of Minnesota and he's become a stud. But that line of his did him no favors; he was making holes for himself. There weren't many times where he was brought down on first contact.

Maybe it's because the Philly/Pitt game is fresh in my mind, but nothing about the Packer's line alarmed me at all. The Packers played a top team tonight; they should expect that kind of pressure.
I think Barber is overrated a little. Dallas has a huge line and one of the best blocking TE in football and that is where most of the credit should go to. A lot of guys could run with that group. Even Romo is overrated. With a target like TO who can miss.
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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#248 » by msiris » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:14 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Not that upset with this one. Dallas has EASILY the most complete offense in football, and I don't think it's close. I do agree with titan, key is running the ball and limiting the # of possessions in the game, because their offense is going to be tough to stop. I thought Grant was running pretty well (4.2 yards per carry) and we kind of went away from it.

Dallas only allowed 56% completion from Rodgers, and that is including the prevent defense the entire second half of the fourth quarter. They may give up yardage, but that is because teams are behind and have to pass.

But like I said, not that upset with this one. I thought the pass D overall was pretty good, save the two big plays (and the second one that was a TD was offensive pass interference, not called).

Just win next week.
I agree with you. !st time Dallas has won in Wisconsin. The odds had to be with them. Now they are 1-11. Its very early in the season. No biggy.
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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#249 » by studcrackers » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:31 pm

it's not the 1st time they won in wisconsin, it's the 1st time they'd won in green bay, they've played in milwaukee 5 times and won 3 of those
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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#250 » by Siefer » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:06 pm

I'm not exceedingly down about this loss, but McCarthy summed it up well. Dallas is farther along right now, and for now, they're the class of the NFC. Our Defense did a great job taking away TO, but we were unable to compensate in any of the other areas. Barber just punished us, over and over again.

On offense, I think one of our biggest hindrances was the play calling. McCarthy played it as cookie cutter as it gets for most of the game, and played right into Dallas's strong front 7. Where were the aggressive plays to stretch out the field that we saw Philly run so well? As for Rodgers, I thought he played a solid game, but he looked uncomfortable for periods, and never found a rhythm. It will be interesting to see how they bounce back from this next week in Tampa Bay.
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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#251 » by MajorDad » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:07 pm

I kind of expected Dallas to win with harris out and woodson playing with a broken toe and grant still not 100%. green bay hung close for three quarters, then ran out of gas in the 4th quarter. I know green bay's players gave it their all, but I was kind of disapointed they ran out of gas. I'm not sure if that was because of their lack of depth or conditioning or that the Cowboy's lines were just taking the packers to their max. The Cowboy's ol ine was impressive- huge but not fat.

I expect the packers to play the cowboys in the play-offs, but they will need to improve a lot to beact the cowboys in Dallas. i would hate to be the first tea m Dallas faces in the play-offs with their current string of play-off losses under Romo.
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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#252 » by Buck You » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:41 pm

Why was Jay-Z there? I was sitting in the stands and my friends and I could not think of a reason why Jay-Z was just walking the sidelines with Christmas bells around his neck. Grant needs to get going if we are going to be a NFC power. Rodgers also hung onto the ball a little too long sometimes but the line wasn't very good and that also has to improve. Well Tampa next week, have to get the running game going.
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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#253 » by xTitan » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:20 pm

Rodgers held on to the ball a little to long because no one was open, the Packers were often in max protection and Dallas had a very good defensive game plan. I am most happy that Rodgers doesn't throw balls up for grabs, he uses his feet to buy time but sometimes there just isn't any answers.
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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#254 » by Rockmaninoff » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:17 pm

I thought Barnett played a little soft after his injury. But, that is to be expected, I guess. Would have liked to see more Bishop against the run.

Our depth in the secondary is pretty poor. Again, I really wish the Packers would have drafted Michael Griffin instead of Justin Harrell, but that's in the past. I thought Tramon Williams did a good job in replacing Harris. I'm not impressed with Rouse. He takes bad angles and lacks speed. He almost looks like he should play outside linbacker and cover tight ends on passing downs.

D-Line was good, just ran out of gas.

Not impressed with the O-line, and haven't been since prior to the season. I would like to see the team go back to their shotgun quick pass spread offense to set up the run. That seems to benefit a poor O-line the most.

Rodgers seems to look for certain guys exclusively. He doesn't have the awareness yet, but that will come with experience.

The play calling needs to be less predictable, but within the confines of pass to set up the run.

I won't be betting on the Packers again for awhile. They are too young and unpredictable. Thank goodness my other bets covered.
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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#255 » by rilamann » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:36 pm

The Cowboys are the better team right now in September but the great thing about the NFL is that... that can change by January (see Packers/Giants last year).

I just wish we could play these guys with our full compliment of players on defense,last year they caught us at the right time and same **** this year.Cowboys are good I wont deny it but they are a lucky ass team.

Not just agianst us all the time,seems like things always fall into place or fall their way.Like last week they where about to probably lose and Philly fumbles the damn ball.

As for our game last night the defense played realy conservative,didnt take any chances and didnt realy play to win,they played not to lose.Our defense never plays like that.

It was almost like the defense was saying we'll give you 5 yards a carry on the ground and and try to keep you out of the end zone on long time consuming drives but we're not going to let you beat us with the quick strike big play.

Im sure that had a lot to with Harris & Bigby out and then Woodson hurting.Thats I wish we had a healthy D out there.

Then you top that off without being able to ruin the ball and we had no chance.
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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#256 » by eagle13 » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:46 pm

Overall its early. No panic. Pack will still win more than they loose.

Dallas is just a better deeper team.

During preseason some said our line was OK. Puke. IF Wells & Sitton come back 100% and Sitton proves his early promise then we will get better.

I was surprised how Dallas blew thru the middle of our DL as if Pickett & Jolly weren't there. Our pass rush had moments but rare. Corey would have helped. Without him we have to blitz at least one frequently. Cullen was lone standout on DL.

We still suck covering good TEs.
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Re: Game 3 - Packers vs. Cowgirls - 9/21 - 7:15 PM CDT 

Post#257 » by NeedsMoreCheese » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:01 pm

rilamann wrote:The Cowboys are the better team right now in September but the great thing about the NFL is that... that can change by January (see Packers/Giants last year).

I just wish we could play these guys with our full compliment of players on defense,last year they caught us at the right time and same **** this year.Cowboys are good I wont deny it but they are a lucky ass team.

Not just agianst us all the time,seems like things always fall into place or fall their way.Like last week they where about to probably lose and Philly fumbles the damn ball.

As for our game last night the defense played realy conservative,didnt take any chances and didnt realy play to win,they played not to lose.Our defense never plays like that.

It was almost like the defense was saying we'll give you 5 yards a carry on the ground and and try to keep you out of the end zone on long time consuming drives but we're not going to let you beat us with the quick strike big play.

Im sure that had a lot to with Harris & Bigby out and then Woodson hurting.Thats I wish we had a healthy D out there.

Then you top that off without being able to ruin the ball and we had no chance.


You're such a joke. :lol:

Yeah the Packers were the only team with injury issues last night :roll:

Speaking of the injuries, Barnett made a stupid decision which resulted in his injury. If you look at the play, he tried to one arm tackle Marion Barber. Who in their right mind sticks out one arm to tackle him around the middle?

Woodson played some impressive defense last night, along with Jenkins and Kampman. Tramon Williams looked pretty good too. Honestly, he played better than Al Harris does against the Cowboys. (That may be hard to believe for some of you, seeing as Harris is the most overrated CB this side of Bailey)

I was surprised to see how calm Mr Rodgers Neighborhood is. He does what any young QB will do when there is pressure though and scrambles. But he doesnt try to force anything or throw it on the run much which is good. That combined wit the fact he lead all QBs in rushing attempts coming into the week explains why his percentage was so high. (Im not saying hes not accurate, I'm just saying that if you run back to the line of scrimmage rather than throw it away, you'll have a lot less incompletions obviously). Sometimes its better to have a game manager than a QB that tries to win it for you, it all depends.

Greg Jennings is scary good after the catch. I noticed it in last years game as well especially when Rodgers came in. He doesnt have to run very deep routes in order to get big gains because of his YAC ability, which helps the QB tremendously.

Good luck on the rest of the regular season guys.

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